Great - another shooting: 12 dead so far

[NDallasRuss]

Developing story, but there seems to be three shooters, who fled the scene and are still on the loose. Maybe 12 dead, 20 total victims?

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/02/us/san-bernardino-shooting/index.html

I'll never understand why these terrible people have no regard for life and see this as the way to do things when they're angry, disenfranchised, whatever.

 

[LesClaypool]

1-3 shooters armed with rifles, masks, and body armor...and some or all of them have escaped.

I always wonder why people don't always wear masks when they commit crimes though. In general, How the hell can you find someone who you don't have a facial description of?

 

[flmom777]

Why would anybody choose such a target as a medical facility that treats people with disabilities? I simply cannot understand, especially when it is not just one mentally deranged person but a planned attack with three perps. Is this related to ISIL?

 

[YogiNole]

I guess we didn't pray hard enough after the previous massacre

 

[tolkien1]

I guess we didn't pray hard enough after the previous massacre

Yep.

 

[BelemNole]

Very close to one of our offices. We're sending everyone home.

 

[FreeFlyNole]

I wonder which god these nutjobs are killing for. Who ya got? Right wing jesus or mohammad?

 

[goldmom]

Have they identified this as some specific group? Are the victims all from the same company?

 

[LesClaypool]

I wonder which god these nutjobs are killing for. Who ya got? Right wing jesus or mohammad?

These guys appear not to want to get caught. May be a while before we learn their motivation.

 

[FSUTribe76]

Why would anybody choose such a target as a medical facility that treats people with disabilities? I simply cannot understand, especially when it is not just one mentally deranged person but a planned attack with three perps. Is this related to ISIL?

I know that "no mass shooting makes sense", but usually there's some logic behind it like religious fervor such as the ISIS and abortion clinic shootings, racism, or hatred of the location plus insanity like most of the school shootings. But this makes no sense. It does immediately make me want to reach for my tinfoil hat and say false flag though because why else would you plan an attack with assault weapons on the mentally disabled unless you were the government trying to make up a reason to seize said assault weapons?

 

[LesClaypool]

So far it's 14 dead. 14 injured by gunshot.

Police just gave a press conference where they basically said they don't know anything. Very discouraging.

 

[BelemNole]

I know that "no mass shooting makes sense", but usually there's some logic behind it like religious fervor such as the ISIS and abortion clinic shootings, racism, or hatred of the location plus insanity like most of the school shootings. But this makes no sense. It does immediately make me want to reach for my tinfoil hat and say false flag though because why else would you plan an attack with assault weapons on the mentally disabled unless you were the government trying to make up a reason to seize said assault weapons?

 

[FSUTribe76]

Don't mistake me. I'm squarely in the assault rifles need to be controlled ranks so I'm all for it. But I'm also aware our government is perfectly willing to murder people including its own citizens to accomplish what its political aims are. So I am immediately suspicious of this spree, it simply doesn't make any sense.

 

[BelemNole]

Compared to all the other mass shootings that do make sense...

 

[Formerly Rockymtnole]

A black SUV? Masks and body armor? AKs?

Maybe a drug cartel hit or something? But why this target?
This one is odd. The conspiracy theorists will go wild with this one, and not for nothing.

 

[FSUTribe76]

Compared to all the other mass shootings that do make sense...

Well they do. If you're a racist you want to kill whatever race you're against whether white, black, whatever. If you're a crazed whackadoo you want to kill whatever you think has wronged you (teachers, other students, your former coworkers etc...). If you're a fervent Muslim you want to kill Jews, atheists, Christians, other Muslims not in your immediate sect, etc... If you're a right wing Christian you want to kill abortionists who are killing thousands of pure souls. Those are all easily understandable reasons for spree killings. I'm not saying I agree with them, I'm saying I understand the motives. Here, it just makes no sense.

Some are saying it's because it was 2 miles from an abortion clinic which makes no sense. Others because they're anti-Obama racists which makes no sense because it didn't cater only to minorities nor would you say it's really connected to the government. Even others are guessing ISIS or another typical Islamic terrorist group which makes no sense when there are Jews to kill and Christian schools in the area. And with there being 2 or 3 shooters a one off whackadoo makes no sense either.

So yeah, I don't get the motive.

 

[jimbojangles]

This crap is getting out of hand. One gun ain't enough, I need to buy a few more.

 

[FreeFlyNole]

Nope, it's our good ol' buddy Muhammad. Religion of peace again.

 

[BelemNole]

So yeah, I d't get the motive.

Oh, you don't get the motive so it must be the govt shooting up the place to take your guns. Makes perfect sense.

 

[LesClaypool]

Nope, it's our good ol' buddy Muhammad. Religion of peace again.

Where did you see this suggested and/or confirmed?

I'm not in front of a tv anymore so I'm not seeing the updates but a few minutes ago, police knew literally nothing about the suspects. Has something changed?

 

[BelemNole]

Pursuit in progress, shots fired from vehicle.

 

[FSUTribe76]

Where did you see this suggested and/or confirmed?

I'm not in front of a tv anymore so I'm not seeing the updates but a few minutes ago, police knew literally nothing about the suspects. Has something changed?

Apparently one suspect identified as Farooq Saeed from cameras which saw them change clothes nearby.

In which case, Ok motives understood. As Free said.

 

[BelemNole]

One guy dead in the street.

 

[FSUTribe76]

Oh, you don't get the motive so it must be the govt shooting up the place to take your guns. Makes perfect sense.

Yes but not my guns. I've got some Civil War antiques and WW2 German and Italian booty from my grandfather that haven't been shot in decades and I doubt work.

 

[BelemNole]

http://abc7.com/live/

 

[West Duval Nole]

Probably disgruntled employee.

 

[Formerly Rockymtnole]

Probably disgruntled employee.

If that's true he has some very good friends...

 

[FSUTribe76]

If that's true he has some very good friends...

Apparently it's a blend. The identified suspect Farooq Saeed was an employee but he was there with two other Arabic looking individuals. So crazy former employee AND Islamic terrorist. A twofer.

 

[Cribbs]

Tribe, where are you seeing the suspects name?

 

[FSUTribe76]

Tribe, where are you seeing the suspects name?

Just google Farooq Saeed it's out there just not on mainstream media. They're being cautious. But radio watchers heard the name repeated on Leo channels repeatedly and he is an employee. Plus they're in an Islamic neighborhood where he lived as we speak doing a manhunt for friends.

 

[BelemNole]

We have an office a few blocks from there, never heard it referred to as "as Islamic neighborhood" before. I'll defer to your superior knowledge naturally.

 

[ShaolinNole]

Apparently it's a blend. The identified suspect Farooq Saeed was an employee but he was there with two other Arabic looking individuals. So crazy former employee AND Islamic terrorist. A twofer.

"Workplace violence". Nothing to see here.

 

[Cribbs]

Thanks Tribe, I am at my kids swim lessons so I am out of the loop right now.

 

[West Duval Nole]

If that's true he has some very good friends...

OR multiple disgruntled employees.

 

[FSUTribe76]

Thanks Tribe, I am at my kids swim lessons so I am out of the loop right now.

Two suspects killed in the escape vehicle, possibly a third on the loose. Police are at the house of one of the suspects doing a manhunt in Redland in an alleged ME neighborhood (maybe partially confirmed as to ethnicity of neighborhood definitely as to the location). Pipebombs allegedly thrown out of the car during the chase so likely other locations planned.

 

[billanole]

I wonder which god these nutjobs are killing for. Who ya got? Right wing jesus or mohammad?

These are the two who are the busiest these days. Sickening and disgusting to think anyone believes a higher being would sanction such... There is no God who promotes this crap.

 

[FSUTribe76]

Thanks Tribe, I am at my kids swim lessons so I am out of the loop right now.

Per CNN former CIA analyst, the attack was organized like typical ME nonsuicide terrorist attacks. IE their tactics were swarm unarmed or poorly secured public target with heavy weapons kill as many as possible then flee and sit down for a few hours before attacking next target. Also said the pipebombs being thrown from car at cops is a common ME tactic as Iraqi, Syrian and Isreali Leos are trained to immediately withdraw in case of a suicide bomb in the car, so the terrorists could use the withdrawal to attack. American Are not trained to break contact on pipebomb throwing.

Take that for what it's worth.

 

[goldmom]

These are the two who are the busiest these days. Sickening and disgusting to think anyone believes a higher being would sanction such... There is no God who promotes this crap.

Of course not. But let's wait and see. If indeed it is some religious group it will be out there soon enough.

 

[FSUTribe76]

Thanks Tribe, I am at my kids swim lessons so I am out of the loop right now.

So the third shooter IF he exists is unaccounted for at the moment. It could only be the two in the truck but they're still doing knock and searches in the ME neighborhood.

 

[FSUTribe76]

Thanks Tribe, I am at my kids swim lessons so I am out of the loop right now.

The building was rented out for a holiday party by the local Department of Health. So we'll see if that has anything to do with it. No handicapped kids killed all DOH employees and spouses supposedly.