How many times did you get covid?
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JYO which you are entitled to believe. Long term effects remain unknown.
A vaccine that doesn't stop you from getting, spreading, hospitalization, or even dying from Covid is not settled. JMO
Medicine like all science is not determined by faith or a vote.
JYO which you are entitled to believe. Long term effects remain unknown.
A vaccine that doesn't stop you from getting, spreading, hospitalization, or even dying from Covid is not settled. JMO
Medicine like all science is not determined by faith or a vote. You seem not understand how science works,
It does help people from dying and getting hospitalized from covid.
Big time.
JYO which you are entitled to believe. Long term effects remain unknown.
A vaccine that doesn't stop you from getting, spreading, hospitalization, or even dying from Covid is not settled. JMO
Medicine like all science is not determined by faith or a vote. You seem not understand how science works,
Can you please share your data regarding hospitalizations and death? Thank you.
"That is based on a new modeling analysis conducted by a researcher at the University of Maryland School of Medicine (UMSOM) and her colleagues. Results of the analysis were published by the Commonwealth Fund.It does help people from dying and getting hospitalized from covid.
Big time.
The researchers relied on a computer model of COVID-19 transmission to estimate the number of deaths and hospitalizations that were prevented from December 2020 through November 2022. "
Its a estimate based on a computer model. How many hurricane models are wrong every year? Hardly the golden nut in this case.
Zero times getting covid (that I know of). Tested probably 10-20 times, all negative
Never vaxxed. Never boosted.
Never vaxxed. Never boosted.
Again these are based on estimates and models. Its like having a motorcycle crash and saying your helmet saved your life. You didn't die but that doesn't mean that saved you. It could have been any number of things. Just because there weren't more hospitalizations doesn't mean the jab stopped them. How do you know?
Did you read the studies? Of course they're estimates.
You've already made up your mind. 😆
I did. As we've discussed in other threads data can be manipulated to get a intended result as can models and simulations.
So, what's your view?
Covid vaccines aren't safe or effective in preventing severe disease and death?
The researchers are all wrong about covid vaccines and you're right?
Its hard to say. As for the safety, short term seems ok but long term there's no way to know yet. As for preventing severe disease and death? Severe cases and deaths did go down once the shots came out but was that the vaccine or natural progress of the virus. Hard to tell.
It’s not “hard to tell” for anybody who pays attention to the prevailing data comparing Covid mortality by vaccination status.
Of course, it’s easy and convenient to dismiss the data, because all computer models and scientific data sources that don’t support your skepticism are comparable to hurricane tracking models, per one of your other insights.
Here’s just one of many sources that make vaccination’s comparative benefits against Covid death not so “hard to tell”…
United States: COVID-19 weekly death rate by vaccination status
Death rates are calculated as the number of deaths in each group, divided by the total number of people in this group. This is given per 100,000 people.
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So looking at the table in your example it states the death rates per 100,00 people dropped for unvaxed people aged 50-64 12.08 to .5 between October 21 and Jan 23 and from 48.78 to 4.43 for people aged 65-79. For vaxxed people without a booster the rates for ages 50-64 dropped from .52 to .14 and 2.05 to .77 for ages 65-79. I know the chart shows a large gap but the table is less convincing. How did the death rates of all the unvaxed people drop so much? Am I missing something?It’s not “hard to tell” for anybody who pays attention to the prevailing data comparing Covid mortality by vaccination status.
Of course, it’s easy and convenient to dismiss the data, because all computer models and scientific data sources that don’t support your skepticism are comparable to hurricane tracking models, per one of your other insights.
Here’s just one of many sources that make vaccination’s comparative benefits against Covid death not so “hard to tell”…
United States: COVID-19 weekly death rate by vaccination status
Death rates are calculated as the number of deaths in each group, divided by the total number of people in this group. This is given per 100,000 people.
Honestly I think the vax was assisted by the decline in virus severity. While new variants were transmitted easily they were less severe and combined with the vax it helped lower the numbers. Or something like that.
Seems totally consistent to me that as successive strains of Covid became more prevalent than their predecessors, and those newer strains were less deadly to whoever might catch them (even if more easily transmitted or caught), then mortality rates would drop for all.
And the data clearly shows that during all time periods, being more vaxxed increased likelihood of surviving Covid (if you caught it and were identified as being Covid positive and captured in the data), compared to being less or unVaxxed.
I’ve seen no similarly large and credible dataset that discredits this data, have you?
Unless the former FSU criminology professor worked on this study too. Hmmm.
Why would any criminology professor be working on Covid data like this?
Or was that just a raising the white flag ha ha?
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