Interesting perspective on McDeath's $15 minimum wage

[given2fly]

Originally posted by alaskanseminole:

Originally posted by seminole97:
why do people enlist in the military and then complain about the pay, conditions, etc.?

Because when the recruiter told me dad the base had a pool he didn't mention there was no water in it.

Another good question.

I felt I was paid pretty well during my tenure. I certainly never went hungry...and the skills I was taught enabled me to triple my income upon retirement.

No complaints here.

As for the original premise, it's pretty flawed. The OP failed to mention the fantastic healthcare (waiting room wait times are irrelevant), food and housing allowances as well as family separation pay, hazard fire pay and re-enlistment bonuses for certain career fields. The military person makes SIGNIFICANTLY more than a McDeath employee.



This post was edited on 3/5 4:00 PM by alaskanseminole

Agreed.

The value of the GI Bill alone nearly doubles your salary. I milked every last penny out of my GI Bill which was probably close to a 150k dollar benefit. Divided over four years is 37,500 a year, which now brings an E1 salary up to ~56k. Add in housing, food, clothing, health, and I'd say it is much closer to 75k or 80k a year for an E1.

 

[Deerfuel2]

Originally posted by BelemNole:

Originally posted by Deerfuel2
Originally posted by BelemNole:

What benefits does that $18k salary come with? Anything that McD's might not supply?

Being on call 24 hours a day, being told where you can go on your time off, willing to be away from friends and family for months at a time, willing to take a bullet for your employer.
The stupid is strong with this one
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And yet you too ducked the question. Perhaps I'm not the stupid one. If you want to make a comparison, make it complete. Don't cherry pick shit and feel all proud of yourself and forward that email on with a smug look on your face.

Sorry about the stupid comment, you are right about all the other benefits available to the serviceman. Housing, meals, healthcare, pay increase with dependents, healthcare, and college tuition assistance. I was in the Marine Corps (reserves) active duty during the first Gulf War. The loss of my own personal freedom during the active duty portion of my enlistment trumped all the benefits that I just listed. I am not saying I would have traded that in for a $15 an hour McDonalds gig. I just was trying to point out the sacrifices that come with those benefits.

 

[noleville]

This "living wage" was tried in a couple cities in California several years ago. What happened is EXACTLY what the opposition said, businesses that were anchored laid off as many as they could, those left behind had to work twice as hard. Hours were cut so 40 hours were impossible (ironically Nancy Pelosi was told that and she ACTUALLY said that was a good thing because now people could enjoy their life more), people that need the starters wage, the very young, retirees and those rebuilding their work history were all forced out.

The $15 per hour was started and paid for by the big unions, they don't give a damn about minimum wage earners. But they have union contracts for "wage plus", so if they can con the government to increase wages by $7.75 that's a $7.75 per hour raise for each worker. Of course NO large business could afford that, so the biggest winner would be China with all those new jobs coming over..

 

[alaskanseminole]

Originally posted by Deerfuel2:
Sorry about the stupid comment, you are right about all the other benefits available to the serviceman. Housing, meals, healthcare, pay increase with dependents, healthcare, and college tuition assistance. I was in the Marine Corps (reserves) active duty during the first Gulf War. The loss of my own personal freedom during the active duty portion of my enlistment trumped all the benefits that I just listed. I am not saying I would have traded that in for a $15 an hour McDonalds gig. I just was trying to point out the sacrifices that come with those benefits.

There's no doubting the personal freedoms those of us who have served have given up (heck, I turned 32, 33 & 34 in the Middle East), BUT as many have stated before, we weren't drafted. We knew the sacrifice upon enlistment (and each subsequent enlistment).

That said, I 100% support and respect those who make the choice to serve, but I don't pity them and support complaints about wages, living conditions, etc compared to the civilian sector. Military members have the same choices McDeath employees have, and if you don't like your situation change it. Don't expect someone to change it for you.

I chose to serve for 20 years and I have zero regrets.

 

[Lemon Thrower]

Originally posted by alaskanseminole:

I chose to serve for 20 years and I have zero regrets.

did your employer ask you to kill anyone, like a civilian?

did you serve with anyone who committed suicide as a result of their regrets?

are you aware of suicide rates of returning vets?

 

[OrlandNole]

It really becomes a question of: do we rig the market to pay workers a "living wage," or do we make up for the gap by subsidizing necessities like food, child care, health care, housing, etc. Which is more effective/efficient?

I don't know the answer...

 

[alaskanseminole]

Originally posted by Lemon Thrower:
did your employer ask you to kill anyone, like a civilian?

did you serve with anyone who committed suicide as a result of their regrets?

are you aware of suicide rates of returning vets?

did your employer ask you to kill anyone, like a civilian? - No

did you serve with anyone who committed suicide as a result of their regrets? - Yes (multiple)

are you aware of suicide rates of returning vets? - Yes


Not sure how any of those questions are relevant to the topic of Military wages vs McDonald's wages, though. Apple/Orange?

This post was edited on 3/6 9:44 AM by alaskanseminole

Suicide sheds light on female soldier's PTSD

 

[Lemon Thrower]

Originally posted by alaskanseminole:

Originally posted by Lemon Thrower:
did your employer ask you to kill anyone, like a civilian?

did you serve with anyone who committed suicide as a result of their regrets?

are you aware of suicide rates of returning vets?

did your employer ask you to kill anyone, like a civilian? - No

did you serve with anyone who committed suicide as a result of their regrets? - Yes (multiple)

are you aware of suicide rates of returning vets? - Yes


Not sure how any of those questions are relevant to the topic of Military wages vs McDonald's wages, though. Apple/Orange?

This post was edited on 3/6 9:44 AM by alaskanseminole

not relevant to wages, but relevant to your comment that you have no regrets about your choice. i would say you didn't so much as make a good choice (which is what you implied) but rather that you got lucky. anyone savvy enough to recognize the moral issues with McDonalds and their unhealthy food should be able to distinguish the two.

 

[West Duval Nole]

Why $15 an hour? Heck why not make the minimum salary $100 k? Then everyone working can be making 6 figures.

 

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