Last Jedi spoilers.

[Banditking]

Enjoyed the movie.

Thought that Luke was done a bit of a disservice.

- he has a student go bad
- his reaction it to abandon the galaxy to the consequences of that?

That doesn’t ring true to Luke’s character.

Contrast to obi wan who went into hiding until such time as there was a chance to do something. And then he came back and dealt with it.

Luke of course deals with it in a similar and incredibly cool manner (holy crap!) but his motives for staying away are very questionable.

Loved r2 playing the message. That was super cool.

A shame we didn’t get the group (Luke han, leia and Chewie in the falcon).

With the death of Carrie fisher, the original core rebels are dead. And there is no balance to the Skywalker line.

Did I mention that Luke’s battle with Ben solo was awesome? Luke’s battle with Ben solo was awesome.

 

[ZZ828]

I think Luke felt ashamed that his initial first reaction to Ben possibly going dark was to think about killing him. The whole reference to all he saw was a little boy when Ben turned over. While it was pretty much a given that Ben was going dark, Luke's action pretty much pushed him over the edge Ben then proceeds to wipe out everyone at the temple leaving Luke as the only one left. So he does much like Obi Wan did.

I think they could have done a better job of explaining why Ben was so tempted by the dark side, and what drove Luke to the potential decision he made.

My guess is that there will need to be some sort of time jump to episode 9. Much like the time jumps in the original trilogy.

I have no clue how they are going to explain Leia's absence as they have already stated she will not be recreated using any type of CGI. If there was one character I thought they would give a big sendoff, it would have been her. Since all her scenes had already been filmed, I guess it would have been difficult to make a major story change like that.

 

[Banditking]

I think Luke felt ashamed that his initial first reaction to Ben possibly going dark was to think about killing him. The whole reference to all he saw was a little boy when Ben turned over. While it was pretty much a given that Ben was going dark, Luke's action pretty much pushed him over the edge Ben then proceeds to wipe out everyone at the temple leaving Luke as the only one left. So he does much like Obi Wan did.

I think they could have done a better job of explaining why Ben was so tempted by the dark side, and what drove Luke to the potential decision he made.

My guess is that there will need to be some sort of time jump to episode 9. Much like the time jumps in the original trilogy.

I have no clue how they are going to explain Leia's absence as they have already stated she will not be recreated using any type of CGI. If there was one character I thought they would give a big sendoff, it would have been her. Since all her scenes had already been filmed, I guess it would have been difficult to make a major story change like that.

Yeah. we have Luke wallowing in self pity for some indeterminate period of time. What was the failure? I guess the kicking him over the edge? And how out of character is that for Luke! His father was as dark as you could get. And somehow we are supposed to believe that Skywalker was driven by fear (darkside) to kill a not yet turned Ben solo?

They definitely portrayed Luke as weak and petulant. I did appreciate his sarcastic sense of humor.

 

[noleclone2]

Agree with the Luke part up until R2D2 plays the clip of PL begging OWK for help and he realized he had reacted same way and had to come back and help. GREAT scene tying back original, Rogue One and an homage to Carrie.

My only critique of what I think was an incredible movie was him evaporating away at end of virtual fight. Thought it was such a great feat how he mind tricked him and never clashed sabers and that he was going to be back for finale. Everyone in theatre was thinking oh no it is like DV vs OWK and it turns out he was messing with him. Even taunts him at end.

and then poof. he still “dies”. might as well have happened in person then.

Loved the Snoke death.

Loved the humor-very marvelesque and great throughout.

I also think Ben was lying and her parents are somebody.

 

[Banditking]

Agree with the Luke part up until R2D2 plays the clip begging OWK for help and he realized he had reacted same way and had to come back and help.

My biggest critique of what I think was an incredible movie was him evaporating away at end of virtual fight. Thought it was such a great feat how he mind tricked him and never clashed sabers and that he was going to be back for finale. and then poof. he still goes. might as well have happened in person then.

Loved the Snoke death. Loved the humor-very marvelesque and great throughout.

I also think Ben was lying and her parents are somebody.

Agree. I didn’t see the need for him to die there. Though, Luke did say he went there to die. Maybe lost his will to live?

 

[FSUTD1]

Overall, I thought it was great.

Disappointed with two things:

Superman Leia and No back story on Snoke.

Really enjoyed the fight scene with Kylo and Rey kicking ass. Thought for a second they would team up.

 

[Banditking]

Overall, I thought it was great.

Disappointed with two things:

Superman Leia and No back story on Snoke.

Really enjoyed the fight scene with Kylo and Rey kicking ass. Thought for a second they would team up.

The leia thing was ok except for the deep space survival thing. If she were wearing any sort of gear it would have been easier to stomach.

 

[FSUTD1]

The leia thing was ok except for the deep space survival thing. If she were wearing any sort of gear it would have been easier to stomach.

That’s a pretty big thing. i don’t usually critique movies and Rian could have put out a piece of garbage and I would have still liked it. I thought that was pretty ridiculous.

I think the snoke backstory was a huge miss. They could have at least explained it a little.

 

[Bubbz]

They wasted Snoke and Phasma.

 

[FSUTribe76]

They wasted Snoke and Phasma.

Especially Phasma. I kind of like Snoke being disposable, it fits into the Sith thinking that there can only be an apprentice and a master and the apprentice should kill the master.

 

[noleclone2]

Good read here

http://www.slashfilm.com/the-last-jedi-defense/2/

 

[FSUTD1]

It’s a good take but I keep getting pop ups that I won a cell phone. I can’t even get through the article.

 

[Bubbz]

aaannnnndddd...

WTH was up with that milk scene?

 

[FSUTD1]

Forgot about that

 

[Zeek99]

At first I also was upset that Luke died and thought all that he did leading up to it was wasted...until the end scene with the kids. Luke was going to die anyway, thats what he told Rey when he said why he was on the island. He also said that facing the first order alone on the battlefield and getting killed would accomplish nothing. The way it played out was the best of both worlds. He faced the army alone, made the first order look silly, added to the myth of Luke and gave new hope for the rebellion. Nobody answered the rebels call for help, but now that the people around the galaxy have heard stories of the battle it will give rise to a new stronger rebellion. Plus, he gets to troll Kylo and die peacefully with purpose.

 

[helmetnuts]

didn't think of it that way and that definitely changes my opinion about the ending/his demise

 

[Banditking]

At first I also was upset that Luke died and thought all that he did leading up to it was wasted...until the end scene with the kids. Luke was going to die anyway, thats what he told Rey when he said why he was on the island. He also said that facing the first order alone on the battlefield and getting killed would accomplish nothing. The way it played out was the best of both worlds. He faced the army alone, made the first order look silly, added to the myth of Luke and gave new hope for the rebellion. Nobody answered the rebels call for help, but now that the people around the galaxy have heard stories of the battle it will give rise to a new stronger rebellion. Plus, he gets to troll Kylo and die peacefully with purpose.

Yes. I was fine with all of that and thought the force projection fights and his closure with leia were great. That was really fantastic because for that to work, he had to be present enough for Ben Solo to sense he was there.

What bothered me was prior to that. Why did he let Ben Solo run roughshod over everyone? Why would Luke of all people be tempted to kill Ben Solo? How did Ben Solo, named after Obi Wan Kenobi, two loving parents, heroes and leaders of the new republic, a kind Jedi master uncle....how did Ben Solo turn to the darkside?

Anakin made sense. Slave. Watched mother die. Manipulated by Sith Lord from a young age. Joins order that inexplicably bans having a wife. Further denying him healthy emotional connection. Afraid of losing that connection, he goes nuts and turns to the darkside. Ok.

 

[Zeek99]

Yes. I was fine with all of that and thought the force projection fights and his closure with leia were great. That was really fantastic because for that to work, he had to be present enough for Ben Solo to sense he was there.

What bothered me was prior to that. Why did he let Ben Solo run roughshod over everyone? Why would Luke of all people be tempted to kill Ben Solo? How did Ben Solo, named after Obi Wan Kenobi, two loving parents, heroes and leaders of the new republic, a kind Jedi master uncle....how did Ben Solo turn to the darkside?

Anakin made sense. Slave. Watched mother die. Manipulated by Sith Lord from a young age. Joins order that inexplicably bans having a wife. Further denying him healthy emotional connection. Afraid of losing that connection, he goes nuts and turns to the darkside. Ok.

I agree. That part kind of bothered me as well. I don't understand how Ben strayed so far away. I'm not sure how much information we will get on this in the next movie. I'm assuming that his parents didn't really have time to raise him and spend a lot of time with him as his powers were growing. Maybe Leia was right and Snoke was able to manipulate some of his feeling from a distance. Maybe he kept driving a wedge between Ben and his parents/Luke. When Ben saw Luke over him with his lightsaber drawn, that validated everything that Snoke had put in his head and that was the tipping point to give into the darker feelings.

 

[alaskanseminole]

I also think Ben was lying and her parents are somebody.

I liked the fact that her parents were nobody...tied in well to what Luke was saying about the Jedi basically having the inside track to the Force (and they shouldn't) and then we end with some random kid on a planet who is Force sensitive. They've basically unlocked the Star Wars universe to beyond the Skywalker Clan. I'm A-OK with that...love the Skywalkers and we have 8 movies about them...we don't need 16.

 

[alaskanseminole]

That’s a pretty big thing. i don’t usually critique movies and Rian could have put out a piece of garbage and I would have still liked it. I thought that was pretty ridiculous.

I think the snoke backstory was a huge miss. They could have at least explained it a little.

Yup, my only two things...Leia floating weirdly through space and nothing on Snoke...loved how he bit it, just wanted to know more about him.

How on earth did EVERYONE in editing look at that Leia/Space scene and say, "Yup. That looks good."?

 

[alaskanseminole]

I agree. That part kind of bothered me as well. I don't understand how Ben strayed so far away. I'm not sure how much information we will get on this in the next movie. I'm assuming that his parents didn't really have time to raise him and spend a lot of time with him as his powers were growing. Maybe Leia was right and Snoke was able to manipulate some of his feeling from a distance. Maybe he kept driving a wedge between Ben and his parents/Luke. When Ben saw Luke over him with his lightsaber drawn, that validated everything that Snoke had put in his head and that was the tipping point to give into the darker feelings.

Leia said as much in EP7...she sent him away.

 

[SoddyNole]

I think the dark side is steeped in deceit. Just as we have witnessed all the leaders of the dark side stating obvious lies, the premise of the dark side being more powerful is a lie too. If there is to be balance in this world the dark side is neither weaker nor more powerful. If anything, the trust in the dark side's power being superior has been the downfall of all that followers. So I have no doubt Ben's revelation in Rey's parents is yet another lie to be revealed later on.

 

[SoddyNole]

One point of this movie I really don't understand is why not let Admiral Ackbar, "It's a trap" be the hero that sacrifices himself to save the others, instead of just having him die in a meaningless fashion with the random characters? For 30 minutes we are given reason's not to like the new purple haired Admiral (Dern) only to give her a heroic dramatic death in the most visually impressive scene in the movie.

That should have been Ackbar damn it!

 

[wbnolefan2]

Snoke narrated his own death!!! Awesome scene

 

[Phinhead]

I liked the fact that her parents were nobody...tied in well to what Luke was saying about the Jedi basically having the inside track to the Force (and they shouldn't) and then we end with some random kid on a planet who is Force sensitive. They've basically unlocked the Star Wars universe to beyond the Skywalker Clan. I'm A-OK with that...love the Skywalkers and we have 8 movies about them...we don't need 16.

Force sensitive people are scattered throughout the the galaxy with no reference to class and have multiple species. The Skywalkers just happen to be a line in which have the force. That was no revelation other that to "Burn down the past".

 

[alaskanseminole]

That should have been Ackbar damn it!

I agree! There are always missed moments, just like Leia blowing off Chewie to embrace a girl she's never laid eyes on before over the death of her beloved.

 

[fsubey2]

Why did Chewie have to kill that poor porg? They could have just had him not cook one and put a live one up to his mouth. But NO!!!!! He had to kill one.

JK, those birds suck.

 

[Zeek99]

One point of this movie I really don't understand is why not let Admiral Ackbar, "It's a trap" be the hero that sacrifices himself to save the others, instead of just having him die in a meaningless fashion with the random characters? For 30 minutes we are given reason's not to like the new purple haired Admiral (Dern) only to give her a heroic dramatic death in the most visually impressive scene in the movie.

That should have been Ackbar damn it!

I understand they needed it for Finn, Rose and Poe to have something to do, but if she would've just told Poe her plan all along then they all would've survived. Her whole lesson for Poe was that he needed to stop being so reckless, but ultimately her decision to not tell people her plan ended up getting the entire resistance wiped out.

 

[Bartdog]

yes, @Zeek99 it's pretty sad the entire rebellion now fits in the Millennium Falcon.

 

[PoopandBoogers]

What kind of horse puckey did I just watch? You mean to tell me, with all of the billions of dollars and brilliant minds that worked on this for yrs, they came up with this crap?

It started to get better towards the middle, and I had some hope, but that movie tanked and is down there with the 1st 2 prequels in overall rank. You know it's bad when Adam Driver's scenes were the highlight of the film.

 

[alaskanseminole]

Anyone watch Kevin Smith's review? Can't link it due to F-bombs galore.

 

[FSUTribe76]

Anyone watch Kevin Smith's review? Can't link it due to F-bombs galore.

Haven’t watched it yet. I usually do watch his and the Red Letter Media reviews after the fact

 

[alaskanseminole]

I think for me, I have to watch it once to surrender my expectations, so the next time I can truly appreciate what I've seen.

Rogue One? Wasn't sure I liked it in the theater...2nd time on Blu Ray? LOVED IT! Seen it 5x now.
Force Awakens? So much darn fun to see everyone back, I just loved it out the gate.
Non Star Wars - Gladiator? Didn't like it first time...2nd viewing it became my all time favorite movie.

So, I think I'll go back and watch it and I have a feeling the special moments (Luke and R2, Light Speed Battering Ram, Rey/Ben Battle Kung Fu, Luke and original Yoda, Luke Trolls Ben, etc.) will probably make me love this film.

 

[pink shizzle]

-First half of the movie I was a bit upset.
- Leia floating was dumb
- I really didn't like all the humor (I do realise the originals has some humor.
- I wasn't a fan of Finn and Rose's little quest.
- Wish we'd have background on Snoke.

With that being said, I really enjoyed the movie. The second half was wild. On a side note, I was really happy with the fact the Emperor's guards were featured in a scene. I always thought they were so cool when I was younger.

 

[Zeek99]

They may end up having some background on Snoke in the next one, but I can live without it. People just want it because of all the internet sleuths trying to find a connection with other siths in the cannon. The 3 original movies had little to no information on the Emperor or his background.

 

[bigloum]

Is it 100% confirmed that Luke dies? I know he disappeared at the end, but does disappearance equal death?

 

[FSUTribe76]

Is it 100% confirmed that Luke dies? I know he disappeared at the end, but does disappearance equal death?

No he’s not “dead”. He transformed into a “force ghost” ie became one with the Force just like Obi Wan and Yoda. Yoda and Obi Wan are still observing, interfering and even physically interacting with the normal universe, so I assume Luke will do the same. So he’s only dead in that he no longer has a corporeal body unless he physically manifests one.

 

[bigloum]

No he’s not “dead”. He transformed into a “force ghost” ie became one with the Force just like Obi Wan and Yoda. Yoda and Obi Wan are still observing, interfering and even physically interacting with the normal universe, so I assume Luke will do the same. So he’s only dead in that he no longer has a corporeal body unless he physically manifests one.

Ah yes that makes sense - going back to the time when Yoda told Obi Wan about the ability to achieve imortalitly.

 

[FSUTribe76]

Ah yes that makes sense - going back to the time when Yoda told Obi Wan about the ability to achieve imortalitly.

Exactly.

 

[nolelan]

Overall, I thought it was great.

Disappointed with two things:

Superman Leia and No back story on Snoke.

Really enjoyed the fight scene with Kylo and Rey kicking ass. Thought for a second they would team up.

I finally just saw the movie and this was my exact same thought.