So hilarious. All I read on the TC leading up to the draft was how Mariota is garbage, and will be the biggest bust of all-time. I'm glad we have so many experts on this board to teach us football
Mariotta looks great on his first touchdown pass.
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One game doesnt make a career, but yeah, anyone who thought Jameis was head and shoulders above Mariota as a prospect were flat out wrong. I think they are both going to be good players, but at this point, there are a lot of things Mariota quite simply does better than Winston.
How about we let the season play out before we come on here and call out Winston fans on a FLORIDA STATE message board! It was only one game. That cute little Oregon offense that the titans ran today will not hold up against the rest of the league. That's why they didn't show any of it in the preseason. They hid it and used it for this game because they wanted to make sure their golden boy beat Jameis today. Let's see how it works going forward. Mariotta still hasn't shown that he can make all the throws downfield. I still say Winston is the better QB and will prove to be when all is said and done. Remember Jameis didn't have his top receiver today either (Evans). FWIW the biggest reason FSU fans sided against Mariotta was because of the way the media piled on Jameis and FSU and the way they built Mariotta up to be the anti-Jameis. There's no need for you to come here and pile on.
Mariotta looks good, but his play calling was outstanding too. His first read was open every time, plus Tampa dropped a pick six early and got hosed on a fumble call but was great otherwise. The play calling for Winston was hideous. Everyone around him was hideous. It's going to be a long year in Tampa. Winston shows signs of being capable when things around him are going well but that isn't often. All that said, Mariotta is better than I thought, but we'll see how great he is with some tape out there on him in 5 or 6 weeks
And I'm glad there are some people who think one game settles the entire debate. Yeah buddy! Pure genius!
Wasnt that the argument against Mariota? That he came from a college system, where as Jameis came from a pro style system? Based on a lot of the arguments several people on this board were making, Winston should be far ahead of Mariota based on the systems they came from and Marcus should be the one with a bigger adjustment.
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Except that it's harder to execute an actual pro style offense. Especially when your OL sucks and you are without your best WR. Mariotta played in his Oregon offense today. Let's see how he does when the rest of the league shuts that down and he actually has to make some throws down field.
I'm not referring to people who said Winston will have a better career than MM. Who the hell knows who will have a better career? I think they're both great players. Of course one game doesn't decide that. The sky is also blue.
I'm referring to the endless amount of Madden all-stars and fantasy football league champions on this board who kept incessantly trying to tell everyone how MM doesn't belong in the NFL. If the debate is Mariota is trash and will bust out of the league in 3 years, then yeah that's been settled and a lot of people look like idiots right now.
He didnt remotely play in his Oregon offense today. He was under center and huddling etc etc all day. Was he making short, quick passes? Yes. That is part of the NFL game that any good QB does. Have you ever seen Drew Brees? He has made a career out of hitting guys on short quick routes. That is a pro offense. And yes, Tampa sucks, I do give Winston some benefit of the doubt with regards to his oline and what not, but he still made some poor decisions as well.
The titans didn't show any of that quick passing game in the preseason according to the game announcers today. That was a smart move and it worked today because it suits what Mariotta does best and Tampa was surprised by it. I bet the rest of the league will catch on and shut it down. Then we will see if Mariotta can make reads and hit receivers down field. I'll wait until he does that before I consider that he might be better than Winston.
So what? Most teams don't tip their hat in preseason. Though, they had plenty of those passes in the preseason. Plus, Mariota looked good all preseason too, so I dont understand your argument. He looked good today, and he looked good throwing it more down the field in the preseason.
And you can wait all you want. THe reality, is that both are young QBs on bad teams, and will likely have some good games, and some rough games. Through the preseason and opening week, Mariota has the clear edge. Will that be the case 2 years from now? Who knows. But, I have seen nothing out of Mariota based on today, based on the preseason, based on everyone raving about him at camp, that makes me think he can't be a really good NFL QB. And, Jameis has some glaring weaknesses that no one ever seems to acknowledge. But can anyone point out in glaring weaknesses in Mariotas' game? I can't seem to see any.
We will see. I am a Titans fan, so I certainly might be biased, but I thought all along Mariota had the bigger upside. He has a quicker release, is more accurate, might not quite have Jameis' arm strength, but he certainly has an NFL arm, so I dont put much stock into that. Everyone was talking about him being system QB and all that, which I think is horribly over rated, especially in the long term. I would be much more concerned with Jameis' long delivery and sloppy footwork at times than I was with the system Mariota came from. But again, I think they are both going to be good players, I just never bought this idea that Jameis was a clearly better prospect, and nothing to this point makes me think otherwise.
^^^^^ This guy "gets it." Thank you for your objectivity. Refreshing.
Here are my thoughts on the TB/Tenn game yesterday. Winston played average for his first game as a rookie. Mariota played flawless. But looking at the game Mariota's offense that he was running looked like what he was running at Oregon. It looked like a carbon copy of that. It didn't look like a traditional Pro Style system. And Tampa Bay runs a Cover 2 or Tampa 2 defense and there were a ton of holes in that zone that Mariota easily picked apart. Mariota didn't have to hold the ball at all and he knew right away where the holes in the Zone would be. It almost looked too easy particularly when you understand this is the NFL and a defense shouldn't look swiss cheese like that. I watched the Ravens/Broncos game too and that was a 9-6 score in the 3rd quarter. So I think Mariota had a good game for sure but it is more of an indictment on the futility of Tampa Bay's defense. It's just like how Mariota picked FSU apart in the Rose Bowl but then had a rough go of it against Ohio State (who had a better defense than us at least last year). Winston would have looked like he played a decent game yesterday had his defense played better. Yes he threw a pick 6 but his defense gave up 35 points otherwise and Tennessee had already called off the dogs by the 4th quarter. Winston will get better and I'll be interested in seeing how teams with better defenses scheme against Mariota and the Oregon style offense.
Winston didn't have a prayer; the offensive line didn't protect him at all! He once again had to run for his life, or try to make something happen on his own. The defense was terrible, but you need a line to protect your QB to get points on the board.
Good take. Lovie was unprepared and was shredded on defense.
The problem is the Monday Morning Overreact. People have written off Jameis as a bust already and Mariota as the next Montana.
Remember when Vick passed for 6tds on MNF and didnt do anything since that game? Thats how I view yesterdays performance by Mariota.
The problem is the Monday Morning Overreact. People have written off Jameis as a bust already and Mariota as the next Montana.
Remember when Vick passed for 6tds on MNF and didnt do anything since that game? Thats how I view yesterdays performance by Mariota.
Having to listen to and read the comments of the stupid Winston hating football fans and media is what makes what happened yesterday (and in the Rose Bowl) so bad for me. They are idiots and I KNOW they are wrong but damned if it hasn't been Murphy's Law for Winston in his two games against Mariota! Frustrating.
In the end, it is one game by two rookies.
We'll see how Mariota looks when he plays teams that actually try to play defense.
As for Jameis, he played like many rookie QBs played in their first start going as far back as I can remember. It's very rare for a rookie to come in and light things up playing their first full game. Unfortunately, Tampa's defense made Mariota look like a seasoned veteran.
We'll have to see how it all plays out through a whole season before you can really judge what these two might do long term. While Jameis still has a lot to work on, it is clear that Tampa needs to shore up the OL, or nothing will get better in the foreseeable future.
We'll see how Mariota looks when he plays teams that actually try to play defense.
As for Jameis, he played like many rookie QBs played in their first start going as far back as I can remember. It's very rare for a rookie to come in and light things up playing their first full game. Unfortunately, Tampa's defense made Mariota look like a seasoned veteran.
We'll have to see how it all plays out through a whole season before you can really judge what these two might do long term. While Jameis still has a lot to work on, it is clear that Tampa needs to shore up the OL, or nothing will get better in the foreseeable future.
winston could be a good pro, but the bucs may very well ruin him before he ever gets going. I am now concerned that the bucs could ruin Winston, as they are so bad, from the ownership down to the head coach. its amazing how truly bad they are
most of it is due to the glazers being too cheap
most of it is due to the glazers being too cheap
You know.. I was not able to see the game here in Pensacola.. we always get the saints instead. But every highlight I saw looked just like Mariotta running the oregon offense and the bucs defense had no clue how to defend it. But I figured that might have been just a few plays that worked but seeing your post op and the fact that you watched the whole game makes me feel a little better. Now that other defenses know that they are gonna run that kind of offense they can prepare for it and it will not be quite so easy for Mariotta. Although it seems the bucs d coaches should have known. Did they run that same offense during preseason? Anyway... Winston will continue to look rough as long as that oline sucks they way they do.
Yep. Troy Aikman only won 1 game his rookie year. Thing is.. with all the winston hate out there... if winston only wins 1 game will he even get another chance like Aikman did.
I said this in a different thread.. lovie not punting on 4th and 1 from the 40 screwed Winston and the Bucs... the two drives before, Jameis led a touchdown drive, and then they got Mariota rattled, he had a fumble for a Bucs TD that the refs blew dead for no reason.. but the momentum was back to the bucs.. if he punts and pins Mariota back again, he most likely gets a 3 and out or turnover... Mariota was rattled and not seeing the field well at that instance, but Lovie goes for it, gets stuffed and nor Mariota has the ball on the 40 with room to breathe.
Mariota was not running the Oregon offense, I don't know where this is coming from. He was huddling and playing under center througout the game. That is not what he did at Oregon. He also only ran the ball twice, unlike at Oregon where he would run 10-12 times a game, and he only ran one pass/run option all day, which is what he did all day at Oregon. I think people are mistaking quick passes as an Oregon gimmick. It's not, quick passes are, and have been a staple of NFL passing games for years.
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