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My Daughter Got Her Rejection Letter from FSU today

They would laugh at my scores today. With the weighted GPA's now and the change in the format of the SAT, the scores are all naturally higher.
 
My daughter didn't even look at FSU (not sure if she would have gotten in). She's at UNF and loves it.

My son's heart says FSU but his work ethic says TCC. Fortunately, he's a good test taker - got a 29 the first time on the ACT without trying.
 
Yes Gramps. Will be 57 in a couple of months.

You still have one of these?

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My daughter, a high school senior who was initially wait-listed, received word that she will not be accepted to FSU. She has a 3.8 GPA and SATs of 1130 and apparently that is not enough. Feels like a stab in the back from the school I have loved for most of my life.

We were probably going to have her complete her AA anyway since she's a dual enrollment student who only needs 18 hours for her associates, but this stings. She has been crying for hours. Thanks FSU.

Sorry to hear about that. It is tough to see the kids not rewarded for maintaining such a high GPA considering she has been taking college courses too.
 
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I farted around for 3 years after graduating HS in 1990. Worked various construction jobs and got an AA. Probably one of the best decisions I've made. I was certainly more mature by the time I made it to Tallahassee, oh, and I could legally buy booze by that point. :) I continued on to get an MS at FSU and then a PhD at Ohio State and I think a good bit of my academic success was because of my maturity (when going through those programs).

I'm sure this is tough on your daughter, but maybe at the end of he day it will be beneficial. Best of luck to her regardless of which direction she heads.
 
Surprisingly pretty campus. I was shocked when I went there the first time.

You couldn't pay me enough to live in Troy though.


My uncle went to RPI (in Troy as well) and MIT.

I was talking to him once. He had many strokes and was almost non-verbal. He was to to the point where he was saying basically no or yes. I mentioned to him that I drove through Troy recently and I thought of him. He laughed and stated, "I am sorry to hear that."
 
An AA from a community college in Florida will guarantee entrance to a state university, but not to a specific college or program.
This there used to be a handshake agreement that you got into the university of you choice but that went out in the 90's.
 
I'm glad to have gone to FSU, but I've often thought about what it would've been like to go to a school where the professors knew my name.

I sometimes wonder the same. I was older so didn't get the same 18-22 yo experience at FSU but did get the huge school experience. My wife went to a small school with under 1000 people. We had a very different college experience and takeaways.
 
I sometimes wonder the same. I was older so didn't get the same 18-22 yo experience at FSU but did get the huge school experience. My wife went to a small school with under 1000 people. We had a very different college experience and takeaways.

I don't think I spoke to a single teacher one-on-one in 4+ years at FSU. A lot of that is on me but a lot of it has to do with the mass education model.
 
This just reinforces that I'd have had NO CHANCE to get into FSU were those the standards in 1993.

No chance.

I was just thinking that. 1993 was my freshman year at FSU. I think I applied with a 3.6 and a 25 ACT score. I don't think I even took the SAT (if that's even possible).
 
I don't think I spoke to a single teacher one-on-one in 4+ years at FSU. A lot of that is on me but a lot of it has to do with the mass education model.

I think it varies greatly, by school, prof and program. My brother was and is very close to a number of professors he had. In the FAMU photography program. My father is and was heavily involved in the lives of many of his students from FSU. I have contact with 1 of my professors from the FSU Business school. While I do agree as a whole, you are correct, there are a number of exceptions, but they are just that, exceptions.
 
None of them had office hours? It's on you, bro....
I thought my post was pretty clear in taking responsibility.

However, I also had a lot of classes with a couple hundred students. And a lot of less than full time professors. And very few professors I can recall that ever did more than lecture.
 
This was precisely my experience as well.

Mine too. And also, my responsibility. My advisor was retired and not teaching classes and was available for like one 30 window a month, if he showed up. After a couple trips and he wasn't there, I just stopped trying to see him. I never saw an academic advisor one time. Nobody ever told me to, I just knew you could if you wanted.

When signing up for my last semester senior year classes, I realized that there were several classes I'd been waiting to take that still weren't being offered. I went to the dean and found out my major had been discontinued after my freshman year. No notice to me, no announcements that I saw, nothing. The dean was good enough to come up with some substitute classes, and allow me to graduate with that major. I'm almost 100% positive I'm Florida State's last Political Communications major.

Like I said, it's on me. As soon as I had trouble seeing my advisor, I should have raised holy hell. As soon as I saw classes not turning up, I should have looked into it, instead of just saying "Duh, I'll take the ones that are being offered...I'm sure they'll be offered next year." None of it had to go that way.

But at some other schools and environments, it COULDN'T have gone that way. It's kind of up to knowing yourself/your kid and if they're mature and responsible enough look out for themselves and make their own breaks. You could absolutely 100% sleepwalk through the Florida State experience if that's what you chose to do, just like you can get a top notch education and tons of opportunities if that's what you chose.

I was a student prone to "worry about it tomorrow" and to choose the path of least resistance. I try not to think of how much opportunity I wasted by not knowing what was out there, and not having the self motivation to go after it, because I can literally make myself sick thinking about it. I should have gone to a different kind of school. I got absolutely nothing out of my FSU education, and I mean NOTHING. ZERO. I learned nothing, and nothing about it contributed to my career other than the piece of paper.

That's not FSU's fault. That's my fault, and to a much lesser extent my parents' fault by not recognizing my strengths and weaknesses and helping to guide me a bit better.

I did get some great memories and great friends and a lot of student loans though. I did learn some important outside the classroom lessons.
 
Yep, I never saw an advisor once either.

Totally my fault. I don't blame FSU for it.

If I had, perhaps they'd have advised me not to major in History...and to study something with job prospects. It used to be the case though (thank god) that you could major in humanities or social sciences, and employers viewed you as a well-rounded individual who brought something to the table. That frankly was never true though and companies have since figured that out. You need verifiable skills...not head knowledge in a discipline that while perhaps interesting, isn't practical.

Thankfully, they didn't figure that out before I was able to crowbar myself into the labor market.
 
My experience was similar both of you. In my case I was the first in my family to go to a 4 year school and my parents were just thrilled that I was in college. They would have provided guidance if they could, just didn't know what they didn't know.

Now, though, our kids aren't going to be able to pull the wool over our eyes.
 
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But at some other schools and environments, it COULDN'T have gone that way. It's kind of up to knowing yourself/your kid and if they're mature and responsible enough look out for themselves and make their own breaks. You could absolutely 100% sleepwalk through the Florida State experience if that's what you chose to do, just like you can get a top notch education and tons of opportunities if that's what you chose.

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That's not FSU's fault. That's my fault, and to a much lesser extent my parents' fault by not recognizing my strengths and weaknesses and helping to guide me a bit better.

I did get some great memories and great friends and a lot of student loans though. I did learn some important outside the classroom lessons.

I wasn't looking for the typical college experience, I definitely learned a lot but I do think what I took away, I could have got elsewhere (it was not exclusive to FSU). Glad I went, but I just laugh based on my experience when people make it seem like school X experience is exclusive, absolutely unique and irreplaceable. This is just one more item I wish I could add to the list of stuff I would love to go back in time and tell the 16 yo me "look here...".
 
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My daughter, a high school senior who was initially wait-listed, received word that she will not be accepted to FSU. She has a 3.8 GPA and SATs of 1130 and apparently that is not enough. Feels like a stab in the back from the school I have loved for most of my life.

We were probably going to have her complete her AA anyway since she's a dual enrollment student who only needs 18 hours for her associates, but this stings. She has been crying for hours. Thanks FSU.
I'm very sorry to hear that and know the hurt she is experiencing.

My daughter is in a similar boat, got deferred at early application period but was offered Spring 2018 enrollment yesterday (with requirement that she must also take 15 credit hours elsewhere during Fall '17, maintain 2.5 GPA or better and then transfer in). Mine is an IB student, not sure exactly how many credit hours she will have accumulated through IB but should be somewhere around 30. GPA is 4.7 weighted, 1190 SAT / 24 ACT. She felt her standardized test scores let her down.

She is disappointed to not be able to enroll in the fall but will likely accept the offer. She has also been accepted to UCF and FGCU. She likes UCF a lot but FSU is her #1. She desperately wants to be a Nole.
 
It also depends on when you apply, believe it or not. I have been neck deep in choosing colleges for over a year with my daughter. She has a 4.1 weighted and a 26 ACT. She'll be three classes from her AA when she graduates HS this year. She's a solid student, and is in the top 10% of her class of 400.

For students who apply for the early acceptance in December, they have a much greater chance of being accepted than those who apply in March.

My daughter applied to 8 colleges, got accepted to 7, including FSU, and she must have barely made it. The average GPA/test scores for the December acceptance to FSU were well above hers, but she made it somehow. I don't think the University gives a rip about whether or not the child's parents or grandparents went to FSU, which is sad. It should absolutely play a part I think, but they are all about giving the illusion all of these geniuses are getting accepted and attending, which isn't the case.

Anyway, it didn't matter to my daughter I don't guess, because she has no desire to go to FSU. The only reason she applied was because her mother and I, both FSU alums, asked her to. She's going to Troy, and to be honest, I'm kind of glad. Seems to be a much safer place in a much smaller town.
Stated major I think may play a hand in acceptance. My daughter had originally considered becoming a pharmacist but now initially wants to be a nurse anesthetist and ultimately to become an anesthesiologist. She has also toyed with the idea of psychology and psychiatry. She initially applied for school of nursing enrollment but after being deferred I discussed her major with her and she switched to pre-bio sciences to give some flexibility.
 
I'm very sorry to hear that and know the hurt she is experiencing.

My daughter is in a similar boat, got deferred at early application period but was offered Spring 2018 enrollment yesterday (with requirement that she must also take 15 credit hours elsewhere during Fall '17, maintain 2.5 GPA or better and then transfer in). Mine is an IB student, not sure exactly how many credit hours she will have accumulated through IB but should be somewhere around 30. GPA is 4.7 weighted, 1190 SAT / 24 ACT. She felt her standardized test scores let her down.

She is disappointed to not be able to enroll in the fall but will likely accept the offer. She has also been accepted to UCF and FGCU. She likes UCF a lot but FSU is her #1. She desperately wants to be a Nole.
Did she apply for Summer semester? It's usually easier to get in.
 
You can go to TCC via web and earn the same AA as being in person.

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Nursing schools are jammed. TCC accepts ( think) 75 new students with 450 applications.
The degree in bio-med is good idea. If she still wants nursing school then a one accelerated BSN would an option and most likely available.
 
No, first applied for fall and was deferred. She then wrote to FSU to apply for disability waiver that we believe she should have been eligible for but was not approved.

Her actual acceptance is for Spring 18 enrollment with Fall 17 at another college or alternatively Summer and Fall 17 at FSU Panama City campus then enrollment in FSU in Spring 18.
 
She's going to finish at PHSC. We live north of Tampa in a town called Wesley Chapel. She did put the bit about me and my father going to FSU. I think it was the SAT score. Ah well, I'm calming down. Thanks for the support amigos. Appreciate it.

We live in Dade City.....my son went 1 year to PHSC, 1 year to TCC then graduated FSU.

He was no worse for the wear going to 2 years of juco.
 
The community college angle sounds fine...IF you continue on. A bunch of people I knew in high school said that was their plan, but they kept going to the same parties, hung out with the same HS buddies and eventually dropped out of community college.
 
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Don't feel bad, nor should your daughter. My friend's daughter just missed the cut, enrolled in summer school in TCC and was at FSU as a sophomore.

I am "almost" embarrassed to say that I got into UF and FSU with a 2.9 and an 1130 on the SAT in 1979. Of course there was no such thing as a weighted GPA back then, few took prep classes (I walked into the SAT after a night of partying with no prep) and my weighted GPA would have been much higher based on classes I was taking. I also knew what it took to qualify, and I did enough to know that I would get in and did little more. I graduated FSU with a much higher GPA with a STEM degree and near the top of the class.

My friend got into Georgia Tech in the 70s with an SAT score in the 1100s. He's in his 50s now and semi-retired after a career in engineering. Back then 1200 was the "Gold Standard" for SAT and you could go almost anywhere you wanted with a 1200. Times have changed and colleges just want to make you jump through far more hoops with GPA, SAT (both now inflated) and community hours. It's really a dog and pony show today. Of course back then the state had 1/3rd the populate trying to get into the two schools.

My youngest will likely do the JCC route for a year or two. Nothing wrong with that. Will save me some money.

I think college make a mistake today with their "resume stamping" criteria. I worked 24-32 hours a week from the day I turned 16 until graduation, but that would count for nothing today. Give me a nerd with a high GPA, a technical interest, no extra-curricular activities or volunteer hours over somebody "well-rounded" any day. That's what we hire at my company for technical positions.
 
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I don't think I spoke to a single teacher one-on-one in 4+ years at FSU. A lot of that is on me but a lot of it has to do with the mass education model.

It was on me, but I rarely interacted with the Professors or any administrators. I got a recommendation letter for law school from a Professor who had to ask who I was. I told him I was the guy who broke his grading curve that he ended up changing. He laughed and wrote me a letter. #humblebrag
 
Don't feel bad, nor should your daughter. My friend's daughter just missed the cut, enrolled in summer school in TCC and was at FSU as a sophomore.


Give me a nerd with a high GPA, a technical interest, no extra-curricular activities or volunteer hours over somebody "well-rounded" any day. That's what we hire at my company for technical positions.
What about the non-technical positions?
 
So true. We've got a neighbor with a high GPA and SAT that was also turned down. We'll see more of this

We have donors wanting help with their kids and i hear a lot of stories just like this one. I have one guy trying to get a son in. His son has a higher GPA than both of his parents did to get in FSU and he can't get in, they wanted their whole family at FSU. Send them to FSUPC for a year then transfer in
 
We have donors wanting help with their kids and i hear a lot of stories just like this one. I have one guy trying to get a son in. His son has a higher GPA than both of his parents did to get in FSU and he can't get in, they wanted their whole family at FSU. Send them to FSUPC for a year then transfer in

What level of donation is required and to which departments for a questionable legacy candidate to get the wink, wink, congratulations you have been accepted letter?
 
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What level of donation is required and to which departments for a questionable legacy candidate to get the wink, wink, congratulations you have been accepted letter?
Yeah, how about if a donor wants to help accelerate the enrollment date. Asking for a friend... :)
 
I was just thinking that. 1993 was my freshman year at FSU. I think I applied with a 3.6 and a 25 ACT score. I don't think I even took the SAT (if that's even possible).
1990 was my freshman year. I never took the ACT. I don't even remember thinking I should or needed to. I had a 3.0 GPA (honors classes, newspaper, which I guess helped). Less than 1100 SAT. FSU was kind of late in getting back to me, but I got in. UF conditionally accepted me (deferred, would have had to start immediately in the Summer). USF accepted me before the ink was dry on my cover letter. I was all set to go there until that FSU acceptance letter arrived to save me. USF continued to send me letters and dorm info well into my freshman year at FSU.
 
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