My Daughter Got Her Rejection Letter from FSU today

[OrlandNole]

I graduated from HS in 1991 a 3.5-ish GPA (no weighting back then) and a 1210 GPA. I got in to FSU and UF, but chose to attend SFCC for two years and transfer in to FSU.

I definitely feel like I missed out on the dorm life, but academically I don't regret the decision one bit. Most of my classes were 30 students or less and, for the most part, instructors were there because they wanted to teach. It was the right place for me at the right time.

 

[JohnnieHolmesNole]

Sorry to hear about it, but this is a recurring trend at both FSU and uf. I know some SERIOUS (multi-generational) boosters at uf whose political and financial heft could not get their kids over the goal line. Places like UNC and Texas, however, continue to give preferences to their in-state kids.

At a macro level, the good news is that FSU is becoming a much better school than it was even 10-15 years ago. That doesn't make you or your daughter feel any better, but FSU is no longer the "automatic-admission" place it used to be.

 

[montconole]

Do out of state applicants with the same gpa and tests scores get preferential placement since out of state tuition is so much more expensive?

 

[SoddyNole]

Do out of state applicants with the same gpa and tests scores get preferential placement since out of state tuition is so much more expensive?

Doesn't look like it according to these numbers. About 75/25% In state/ Out of state.

 

[More Kirk Less Spock]

A day or two of perspective and it seems less painful....but we still are not pleased. We know the crux of it is there are just so many applicants they can afford to be selective. I love reading all those stories about people who got in with less than stellar academics in days gone by. I also appreciate the genuinely supportive discussion from you guys out on the interweb. She will get there. Just a matter of time and effort. Go Noles.

 

[JohnnieHolmesNole]

A day or two of perspective and it seems less painful....but we still are not pleased. We know the crux of it is there are just so many applicants they can afford to be selective. I love reading all those stories about people who got in with less than stellar academics in days gone by. I also appreciate the genuinely supportive discussion from you guys out on the interweb. She will get there. Just a matter of time and effort. Go Noles.

Nice looking kid right there. Needs to be at FSU.

 

[Spearhead04]

They would laugh me out of the university center had my 99 application been submitted this year.

 

[FSUTribe76]

Nice looking kid right there. Needs to be at FSU.

 

[surfnole]

It was on me, but I rarely interacted with the Professors or any administrators. I got a recommendation letter for law school from a Professor who had to ask who I was. I told him I was the guy who broke his grading curve that he ended up changing. He laughed and wrote me a letter. #humblebrag

In my junior and senior year, I met several times with professors individually. I would regularly stop by their office hours for help with homework, review a test etc. They were always accommodating although I would say I was never great friends with any of them. One wanted to have a job interview with me for his company when I expressed an interesting in staying in Tallahassee after graduation.

 

[surfnole]

What about the non-technical positions?

That would primarily be sales, and it all depends on the level of BS that you can produce and your connections. If you can baffle them and you are smart technically, you are golden. Of course you need to meet your numbers too. Not sure about HR/legal/marketing etc. The careers with more opportunity due to fluff care more about non-core skills.

I recall one consulting job I had pre-internet days where everybody would stay late because the project manager would notice whose car was in the lot when she arrived and whose car was in the lot when she left. Usually the consultants weren't working. They were balancing their checkbooks, making personal calls, talking to each other. All knew the game.

 

[surfnole]

Do out of state applicants with the same gpa and tests scores get preferential placement since out of state tuition is so much more expensive?

Absolutely. Thing bring in tons of money to the University.

 

[RangerNole]

Not to throw salt on the wound but my son got into FSU . Got a scholarship for a 1/3 of his tuition and FSU was the only school he applied to. If it makes you feel better he got into Full Sail University not Florida State University; but hey I can say FSU and not be lying.

 

[funksouljon]

....... I also appreciate the genuinely supportive discussion from you guys out on the interweb. ........

what? then as a forum we are failing you. Isn't the internet supposed to make you feel crappy?

#thatsmychief

Good luck, IMO its a big decision, but not one that independently alters the trajectory of your life.

 

[JebExclamationPoint]

Why does OP seem to be mad at FSU for his kid's qualifications not being up to the standards the school has? Was FSU supposed to make some kind of exception just for your kid? Daughter should've retaken the SAT or taken the ACT to get a better score.

 

[Hayduke GW]

Why does OP seem to be mad at FSU for his kid's qualifications not being up to the standards the school has? Was FSU supposed to make some kind of exception just for your kid? Daughter should've retaken the SAT or taken the ACT to get a better score.

I think he was just venting. we all agree it's a great thing that FSU standards are getting higher and higher but i understand him being bummed about this.

 

[JebExclamationPoint]

I think he was just venting. we all agree it's a great thing that FSU standards are getting higher and higher but i understand him being bummed about this.

The "stabbed in the back" comment was just a weird thing to say.

 

[89nole]

It was her SAT you have to know what you need and massage the weak areas after you take it the first time.

Mine got into her first choice but had to get some non loan aid which she didn't. She went to her second pick which was harder to get into and got some scholarships. It all worked out.
As it will for the OP's daughter.

 

[surfnole]

Not to throw salt on the wound but my son got into FSU . Got a scholarship for a 1/3 of his tuition and FSU was the only school he applied to. If it makes you feel better he got into Full Sail University not Florida State University; but hey I can say FSU and not be lying.

I live less that two miles from FSU. Let me know what you think of FSU (Full Sail). The guy who owns it is making a boatload. My friend knows an Iranian girl who got kicked out of a prestigious art school in Iran for a political cartoon. She came to Full Sail and now has a job in Vancouver. Some sort of graphics/animation job.

And to the original poster I will say this: It's saddening and frustrated to see your kids get denied their goals and they are at the age where you can do nothing about it. It's part of growing up. It's best to teach them how to handle this.

 

[sunset30a]

Same thing happened to my kid, he's at Ole Miss now, doing great and loving it. Having said that, out of state tuition is killing me. My next one has to find a way to get into FSU.

 

[FSUTribe76]

Same thing happened to my kid, he's at Ole Miss now, doing great and loving it. Having said that, out of state tuition is killing me. My next one has to find a way to get into FSU.

Well your oldest will either be bringing home a cute Southern belle in a sundress or else a dbag in a bowtie and linen suit.

 

[RangerNole]

I live less that two miles from FSU. Let me know what you think of FSU (Full Sail). The guy who owns it is making a boatload. My friend knows an Iranian girl who got kicked out of a prestigious art school in Iran for a political cartoon. She came to Full Sail and now has a job in Vancouver. Some sort of graphics/animation job.

And to the original poster I will say this: It's saddening and frustrated to see your kids get denied their goals and they are at the age where you can do nothing about it. It's part of growing up. It's best to teach them how to handle this.

So far we are very impressed. I like the idea of school every day and that networking being a part of you grade. We have been there twice for visits and can't think of anything negative. Be back down there to find him an apartment in a April.

 

[sunset30a]

Well your oldest will either be bringing home a cute Southern belle in a sundress or else a dbag in a bowtie and linen suit.

Well believe it or not, his fraternity has pretty much outlawed bow ties. I've also seen pics of him and some pretty cute little gals so things look ok on this front.

 

[More Kirk Less Spock]

The "stabbed in the back" comment was just a weird thing to say.

I realize it is not a completely rational response. There is often a completely illogical idea that when you love someone/something enough that affection/devotion will be returned. As I have also said, her plan is to work harder and complete her AA which will be done in a semester or two. And yes, I was mostly just venting in a community of people that feel the same way I do about FSU.

 

[LesClaypool]

I realize it is not a completely rational response. There is often a completely illogical idea that when you love someone/something enough that affection/devotion will be returned. As I have also said, her plan is to work harder and complete her AA which will be done in a semester or two. And yes, I was mostly just venting in a community of people that feel the same way I do about FSU.

99% of posters fully understood the spirit of your post.

That other guy was just a white knighting d-bag. Don't sweat it.

 

[maddog69]

My freshman daughter is at Huntingdon College in Montgomery, AL and loves it. Her mother and I both are FSU grads and steered her away from FSU because of the size of the place. Too many students and not enough individual attention.

 

[More Kirk Less Spock]

My freshman daughter is at Huntingdon College in Montgomery, AL and loves it. Her mother and I both are FSU grads and steered her away from FSU because of the size of the place. Too many students and not enough individual attention.

we have never really given thought to a smaller school, but it seems worth considering. I went to a small school, Elon College my freshman year. It was a great experience in terms of academic support. They had a learning center where you could go and do your homework with tutors on staff sitting there ready to answer questions. Nothing like working through a math problem with someone there to help you if you get stuck.

 

[sunset30a]

My freshman daughter is at Huntingdon College in Montgomery, AL and loves it. Her mother and I both are FSU grads and steered her away from FSU because of the size of the place. Too many students and not enough individual attention.

It's definitely not for everyone but I selfishly wanted my son to go to FSU. He's more of a small town guy and Oxford suits him to a T. The one thing that I've emphasized to him was to build the database from his first day on campus and he's done a great job with that. I assumed that the network at Ole Miss would be much smaller but he is meeting the right people and has really grown. He's also majoring in accounting and their program is actually rated higher than FSU's so that's a plus. If they are taking their schooling serious, they will be fine wherever they go.

 

[maddog69]

we have never really given thought to a smaller school, but it seems worth considering. I went to a small school, Elon College my freshman year. It was a great experience in terms of academic support. They had a learning center where you could go and do your homework with tutors on staff sitting there ready to answer questions. Nothing like working through a math problem with someone there to help you if you get stuck.

Huntingdon has a learning center as well. My daughter has spent some time there. She says that even the professors show up to help from time to time. You would never see that at a larger school. She can speak to an advisor, professor, registrar, admissions and even the president pretty much anytime she wants.

 

[VirginiaNole]

Not sure how Florida works with the Community Colleges, but here in Virginia, if you get your AA from CC you are in where ever you want to go.

My daughter did this and it was the perfect setup. She graduates with her Bachelors this May, then she is off to law school.

 

[RangerNole]

Not sure how Florida works with the Community Colleges, but here in Virginia, if you get your AA from CC you are in where ever you want to go.

My daughter did this and it was the perfect setup. She graduates with her Bachelors this May, then she is off to law school.

I think that is the case in Florida; however it does not guarantee you entrance into the program of your choice at a state school. I went to TCC for 18 months, mainly to save money and my HS grades would not have gotten me anywhere near FSU; well other than down he street at TCC. There were a bunch of shocked students that just read the part about guaranteed admissions requirements and not the requirements to be admitted into a program If you want to attend say the FSU Business School; even though you get your AA you still need a certain GPA and have all the prereqs.

 

[seminoledq]

Don't worry More Kirk Less Spock, the world needs ditch diggers too.

 

[VirginiaNole]

I think that is the case in Florida; however it does not guarantee you entrance into the program of your choice at a state school. I went to TCC for 18 months, mainly to save money and my HS grades would not have gotten me anywhere near FSU; well other than down he street at TCC. There were a bunch of shocked students that just read the part about guaranteed admissions requirements and not the requirements to be admitted into a program If you want to attend say the FSU Business School; even though you get your AA you still need a certain GPA and have all the prereqs.

OK....In Virginia they have the 2+2 program. Is very simple, get your Associates Degree, you are in the 4 year school of your choice. I certainly can't speak to any particular program within the 4 year school, only thing I was worried about was getting my daughter where she wanted to go and in the program she wanted which was political science/Pre- Law.

 

[Gonolz]

Don't worry More Kirk Less Spock, the world needs ditch diggers too.

Hey old timer, the new generation calls them Excavation Engineers.

 

[FSUTribe76]

OK....In Virginia they have the 2+2 program. Is very simple, get your Associates Degree, you are in the 4 year school of your choice. I certainly can't speak to any particular program within the 4 year school, only thing I was worried about was getting my daughter where she wanted to go and in the program she wanted which was political science/Pre- Law.

It's not quite that simple for the better schools. My old school Bill & Mary only guarantees community college transfers if they have above a 3.6 on a 4.0 scale coming in from CC for all colleges at Bill & Mary.

http://www.wm.edu/admission/undergr.../vccs_students/guaranteed_admission/index.php

UVA is easier to back into but break it up by college. You need a 3.4 for Engineering and Applied Sciences and a similar 3.4 from the College of Arts and Sciences and College of Nursing. The College of "Commerce" aka Business needs a 3.5. I didn't look up the others.

http://www.seas.virginia.edu/undergrad/pdfs/2011-VCCSArticulationAgreement-2.pdf

It looks like even the middle tier schools in Virginia like VA Tech requires a 3.0. So getting an AA would only guarantee you admission to the commuter schools. You need to get a decent gpa to guarantee acceptance into the top and midtier schools.

 

[OrlandNole]

Don't worry More Kirk Less Spock, the world needs ditch diggers too.

Right on. As you might imagine, the poster above works at Dairy Queen. Best damn banana split you ever saw!

 

[Wendy79]

My freshman daughter is at Huntingdon College in Montgomery, AL and loves it. Her mother and I both are FSU grads and steered her away from FSU because of the size of the place. Too many students and not enough individual attention.

I wish I knew then what I know now. Having science lectures that are 2-3+ times bigger than my HS graduating class was overwhelming. I did fine, but I'm/have been taking/re-taking classes at the local CC and it's so much better than my first go around. My professors know me, we talk, they're very accessible, walk-in tutoring...I wish they offered the upper level science I need, but I will likely be returning to Iowa for that, unless I move.

 

[More Kirk Less Spock]

Huntingdon has a learning center as well. My daughter has spent some time there. She says that even the professors show up to help from time to time. You would never see that 10236"]Don't worry More Kirk Less Spock, the world needs ditch diggers too.[


In space.

 

[HerdOfNoles]

TCC has the same mass education model. So in many ways, TCC is a good training ground for FSU and I guess FAMU.

As a returning student seeking a second degree. TCC in 2017 is just like TCC in 1988. If you know the professor as then you pass.

 

[RangerNole]

TCC has the same mass education model. So in many ways, TCC is a good training ground for FSU and I guess FAMU.

As a returning student seeking a second degree. TCC in 2017 is just like TCC in 1988. If you know the professor as then you pass.

IMO I think many more students should go to a CC. I went to TCC in 90-91 and for the money it was a much better deal than FSU for the core and basic classes. The professors had much more accommodating office hours and were much more willing to help a student as long as the student showed the respect and commitment for their education. FSU was a meat grinder where it seemed only half the professors actually cared about teaching or students. There is no doubt that many kids are responsible and ready for a 4 year state school; but IMO just as many have no clue what they are doing and would benefit from a CC. At the end of the day your degree states where you graduated from and unless you go to some amazingly competitive or super elite school like Bill and Mary you will be fine.

 

[ChimpNole]

Acceptance into universities has changed a lot since my time (late 70's!). My daughter did not qualify for UGA at first but was able to transfer in a few years later. A lot of kids don't get into UGA at first but are able to transfer later. That may be a route for your daughter with FSU.