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[hatsbo]

What a grand follow up to our World Series Championship, just goes to show you how hard it is to win it all. Well, where do we start? I'll start with Buchholz's pitching, wasn't he undefeated for the first three months last season? Feel free to pile on.

 

[sconole]

your team has turned into a bunch of whiney crybabies. I hope david price puts the next one in papi's ear.

 

[NoleMoreTears]

When David Price does 1/3 of what David Ortiz has done, then you can worry about crying. If Price can't take the due fame and legend of Papi like a man and talk about it face to face, I have little sympathy for people who whine about whining...petty at best. If he thinks Papi is immature in his behavior, is that the mature way to deal with it? I don't mind the "unwritten" rules of baseball but it's fair to say Price should be suspended...

Sox are struggling as one would expect after so many drastic changes. It's not a surprise a guy like Nava or Middlebrooks would have greater difficulty without a player like Ells to help support the lineup. This year is a great time to be a fan because you'll get to see who can produce and who can't. I like it in a typical self-immoliating Sox fan way.

 

[hatsbo]

Originally posted by sconole:
your team has turned into a bunch of whiney crybabies. I hope david price puts the next one in papi's ear.

Are you a Red Sox fan? That's whom this thread was directed to, not some hater crying about his perception of Red Sox being crybabies.

 

[hatsbo]

Originally posted by NoleMoreTears:
When David Price does 1/3 of what David Ortiz has done, then you can worry about crying. If Price can't take the due fame and legend of Papi like a man and talk about it face to face, I have little sympathy for people who whine about whining...petty at best. If he thinks Papi is immature in his behavior, is that the mature way to deal with it? I don't mind the "unwritten" rules of baseball but it's fair to say Price should be suspended...

Sox are struggling as one would expect after so many drastic changes. It's not a surprise a guy like Nava or Middlebrooks would have greater difficulty without a player like Ells to help support the lineup. This year is a great time to be a fan because you'll get to see who can produce and who can't. I like it in a typical self-immoliating Sox fan way.

Well, if anything, the young kids have looked promising, especially Holt and Bogaerts. We just need to start scoring some runs, we just finished losing that series to Baltimore with more inconsistency at the plate. Workman has been a nice surprise pitching wise, Lackey and Lester are holding up their end for the most part, then there's Buchholz. Hope both he and Doubront are transformed upon their return from the dl.

 

[NoleMoreTears]

Losing Victorino has been huge...Napoli hurt also an issue. That has exposed the learning curve of the youngsters IMHO. Workman and DeLa Rosa have been good.

Sox haven't played themselves out of it and could hardly be doing much worse. If we could get even 2 of Buccholz, Victorino, Napoli, or Dubront to respectable contributions they can make a run at the playoffs.

I don't see Toronto running away with things.

 

[dimmernole]

Pedroia has turned into Doug Griffin. That is not helping things.

 

[NoleMoreTears]

He hasn't turned into Doug Griffin. He's still a top second baseman. The Sox are 14th (next to last) in the AL in runs after leading the league in runs last year and generally being top 4 in runs for many consecutive years. The entire lineup has struggled, far from just singling out Pedroia.

The fact that they're even sniffing .500 right now is actually very positive.

Sizemore designated (finally). Nice to have him around for a bit and maybe he can return to contribute.

 

[hatsbo]

Yep, as crappy as they've hit, they're only 6.5 out thanks to New York's sweep of the Jays. Doubront and Buchholz are now coming back so Farrell will have some decisions to make. Hard luck Peavy lost another game last night, we've given him virtually no run support this year, similar to Lackey last year.

 

[Manch.]

The official transaction on Sizemore was a designation for assignment, but that was reported in error, Ortiz complained and the transaction was changed to an all out release.

 

[NoleMoreTears]

16 1-run losses which leads the league...and it's not the pitching.

I knew the lineups would be struggling with all the new players but hopefully they can get it together. There is some potential here.

 

[Manch.]

The offense is killing them, just ask Jonny Gomes, who spends more time practicing his punting with CR7 and the rest of the Portuguese National footie team.

 

[sconole]

Originally posted by Manch.:
Ortiz complained

shocker

 

[NoleMoreTears]

Originally posted by sconole:

Originally posted by Manch.:
Ortiz complained

shocker

Your ignorance is suprassed only by jealousy.

Ortiz's request HELPED Sizemore negotiate with a new team more quickly. Rather than wait the typical 10 days that DFA requires, Ortiz helped the teammate get a chance for a new home more quickly and with less red tape. He's sticking up for his team - isn't that what you think David Price did?

 

[hatsbo]

West coast swing unfortunately going like I thought it might. Lackey getting shelled was an unpleasant surprise though. It's pretty sad when you have to look to a rookie call up to supply all your offense. Holt sure is fun to watch, he's been a nice surprise. Meanwhile Toronto and NY have been beating each other up seemingly for weeks now, which is good because we haven't lost much ground.

 

[NoleMoreTears]

Yeah but trouble is we'll have to play those teams a ton.

Need some offense!

 

[dimmernole]

Not that it will help the offense, but how much more of Doubront must we suffer through? Ceiling has been reached.

 

[NoleMoreTears]

I feel like Bob Uecker: "2 goddam hits?!?!" Peavy sits at 1-7 and we can't even score on the friggin' Cubs.

 

[hatsbo]

Yeah, after taking seeing Buchholz get that win against Seattle and taking 2 of 3 from the Yanks, I was getting hopeful when I saw the Cubbies on the docket. So we proceed to score one run at home against two journeyman starting pitchers. Tell me it's going to get better, oh wait....we're still only 7.5 out and it's not even the all star break!

 

[vanole35]

Originally posted by hatsbo:

Yeah, after taking seeing Buchholz get that win against Seattle and taking 2 of 3 from the Yanks, I was getting hopeful when I saw the Cubbies on the docket. So we proceed to score one run at home against two journeyman starting pitchers. Tell me it's going to get better, oh wait....we're still only 7.5 out and it's not even the all star break!

Giving up 16 to my Cubbies is not getting better
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[NoleMoreTears]

Swept by the Cubs - yikes. I want to be very patient with this group but I do wonder if maybe we tried to bring too many in at once. Bogaerts, Bradey, Holt, Middlebrooks, and on is tough when they all break in at one time. I really miss Victorino.

 

[NoleMoreTears]

Finally! A series win and a comfortable Sunday game. 11-0 I know it's over the stros but Buchholz looked good.

We really needed that heading into the break.

 

[hatsbo]

And away we go, hopefully to a wacky second half in which the Bosox can hopefully climb over a whole bunch of teams to win the division, or at least snag a wild card. Good start last night, nice to see Bogaerts and Gomes take some offensive pressure off Ortiz. We needed it as it wasn't Clay's day.

 

[UnconqueredNole10]

Won again today.
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[hatsbo]

Originally posted by UnconqueredNole10:
Won again today.

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And without Papi or Pedy getting a hit. Pitching was outstanding and Delarosa keeps looking good.

 

[NoleMoreTears]

Sweep KC and onto Toronto!

Getting Victorino back is huge. I know Farrell will not play him too much but he is a key piece.

 

[Manch.]

De La Rosa came to the Sox for $10 million, Beckett, Gonzalez and Crawford. He was essentially traded for half of a billion dollars, he better be good!

I hope his arm can last, I was excited and surprised that the Dodgers let him go in that trade, when they really only wanted Gonzalez. Oh ya, don't forget that Nick Punto went to LA and Loney and Alan Webster came to Boston. If Farrell works his magic, De La Rosa and Webster could be a solid 2nd to 4th starters for Boston down the road.

They just started a 13 game AL East stand, and then go to St. Louis, LA Angels and Cincy. They need to to win big in the next 21 games. I doubt they can win the AL East, but if they get the wild card (only 6 back, but the field is crowded), that means not only did the pitching continue to hold up, but the bats stayed awake.

Looking at the remaining schedule, there are tons of games against Toronto, Seattle, Pittsburgh, Houston and Baltimore. Other than Houston, those games were almost a guaranteed .700 win percentage.

Currently, Felger and Massarotti are debating on who would you rather have, Ortiz or Yastrzemski, good stuff for arguing for each player.

What about the NL wild card, there are 4 teams tied for the 2 spots (LA/SF knock each other out, so there are really 3 teams tied) and there are 4 teams plus LA/SF within 3 games, it's going to be a great last 5-6 games of the year.

 

[hatsbo]

Well, our yo-yo season continues, just when you think we can get on a good roll we hit a wall. It would be nice to have a couple middle relievers who could make it through an inning without getting shelled. Baltimore has picked up where they left off before the break, currently marching through the west like Sherman did the south.

 

[fsUTampa]

It'll be a miracle if this game today doesn't have a fight after Ortiz's little bitch move there. Dude has it coming.

 

[NoleMoreTears]

You mean the same move he's done for years and no one but a crabby team with crabby fans complains about? Grow up.

Only one person has broken the rules and it was Price who thew at his back. So who really has it coming?

 

[NoleMoreTears]

Originally posted by hatsbo:
Well, our yo-yo season continues, just when you think we can get on a good roll we hit a wall. It would be nice to have a couple middle relievers who could make it through an inning without getting shelled. Baltimore has picked up where they left off before the break, currently marching through the west like Sherman did the south.

We're just young and having some struggles form vets to tow the line.

Word is there is a possible Lester for Kemp deal, which I think could be good for the Sox. Lester has given us a ton and the franchise stuck by him through thick and thin. But I doubt he re-signs after this year.

The process will take 2 years IMHO and the 2 pitching prospects we picked up could have an influence. IMHO the key piece is Buccholz. If he can be healthy and marginally consistent then we have a pretty decent rotation for a while to come.

 

[fsUTampa]

Originally posted by NoleMoreTears:
You mean the same move he's done for years and no one but a crabby team with crabby fans complains about? Grow up.

Only one person has broken the rules and it was Price who thew at his back. So who really has it coming?

It's Ortiz who thinks he's bigger than the game, but God-forbid anyone actually say anything about it. He overplayed that much more than he "normally" does, and we all know why he did it. Yet someone defends themselves against him, and they are at fault? He's a jackass of the biggest kind in all of baseball (not to mention his 'roid issue). And watch him try to "fight"...always making sure someone is "holding him back" before barking.

 

[NoleMoreTears]

Maybe you can grow up and start your own thread about it. I'm sure plenty of others will join you. The thread is intended for Red Sox fans so maybe post something relevant or GTFO.

So Price was defending himself by throwing at another person's back? Incredible insight there.

I would never chime in on a Rays thread with this drivel. Oh wait, you don't have a thread.

 

[SeaPA]

Originally posted by NoleMoreTears:

Originally posted by hatsbo:
Well, our yo-yo season continues, just when you think we can get on a good roll we hit a wall. It would be nice to have a couple middle relievers who could make it through an inning without getting shelled. Baltimore has picked up where they left off before the break, currently marching through the west like Sherman did the south.

We're just young and having some struggles form vets to tow the line.

Word is there is a possible Lester for Kemp deal, which I think could be good for the Sox. Lester has given us a ton and the franchise stuck by him through thick and thin. But I doubt he re-signs after this year.

The process will take 2 years IMHO and the 2 pitching prospects we picked up could have an influence. IMHO the key piece is Buccholz. If he can be healthy and marginally consistent then we have a pretty decent rotation for a while to come.

Article I saw over the weekend said Lester would consider coming back after the season if they were to trade him. I wouldn't mind that at all - rent him to a contender for some prospects, then re-sign him for next year. This one's in the tank already, anyway.

 

[fsUTampa]

Originally posted by NoleMoreTears:
Maybe you can grow up and start your own thread about it. I'm sure plenty of others will join you. The thread is intended for Red Sox fans so maybe post something relevant or GTFO.

So Price was defending himself by throwing at another person's back? Incredible insight there.

I would never chime in on a Rays thread with this drivel. Oh wait, you don't have a thread.

It wasn't relevant given the Red Sox were playing the Rays, one of their top rivals? Ok, sound logic there...

Ortiz has been a jackass for a long time. Finally someone steps up and points it out (the Rays) without living in fear like the others do (plenty of people agree with them), and it's the Rays that are the problem? Right...

 

[millah_22]

Who the hell is Chris Archer? Some 2nd year with a career 3.43 whining because ONE OF THE GREATEST HITTERS IN THE LAST 12 YEARS is doing to him what he does to everyone else? Grow up kid. You're in the show now. You don't want Ortiz having his photo taken while your ball travels out of the park? Don't throw him inside.

 

[millah_22]

That 10 game skid killed them. They also couldn't come from behind. Bogaerts was hot for a while, but is now cold. Stephen Drew can't hit. They have a problem at catcher, and AJ Pierzinksy was never the answer. Pedroia is doing okay, but last year he was having an MVP season that he may never replicate. Losing Ellsbury was bigger than they could have imagined. They've been playing many different outfielders. Platooning Gomes and Nava is a problem. Victorino has been injured all year, and Grady Sizemore barely didn't even last the first half. An aging Ortiz is their best hitter.

The only good to come from this season is Brock Holt. Otherwise, there is no spark that was present last year.

I think the A's win it. They have the spark that the Red Sox had last year.

 

[sconole]

Papi is a punk...never starts stuff unless there are plenty of people to "hold him back". Too bad his roids have robbed him of his balls...figuratively and literally.

The red sox are on quite the run...lost 2/3 to TB and now let Toronto put 2 touchdowns on them. #BostonStrong

 

[NoleMoreTears]

Originally posted by fsUTampa:

Originally posted by NoleMoreTears:
Maybe you can grow up and start your own thread about it. I'm sure plenty of others will join you. The thread is intended for Red Sox fans so maybe post something relevant or GTFO.

So Price was defending himself by throwing at another person's back? Incredible insight there.

I would never chime in on a Rays thread with this drivel. Oh wait, you don't have a thread.

It wasn't relevant given the Red Sox were playing the Rays, one of their top rivals? Ok, sound logic there...

Ortiz has been a jackass for a long time. Finally someone steps up and points it out (the Rays) without living in fear like the others do (plenty of people agree with them), and it's the Rays that are the problem? Right...

No it's not relevant given that your only comment is about a "bitch move." IF there's actually something regular you said about the series or the Rays' wonderful win streak and then stuff about Papi, well you'd actually have a point.

As it stands you just acted like a troll, which you did last year when the Sox won it all. Everything has a context and yours is to troll and whine. So that's the logic and it is quite sound.

Start your own Ortiz thread or offer something useful about the actual baseball being played. Plenty of Sox fans (including me) will be happy to talk real baseball with you. Nice win streak and series win, BTW. Now grow up.

 

[NoleMoreTears]

Originally posted by millah_22:
That 10 game skid killed them. They also couldn't come from behind. Bogaerts was hot for a while, but is now cold. Stephen Drew can't hit. They have a problem at catcher, and AJ Pierzinksy was never the answer. Pedroia is doing okay, but last year he was having an MVP season that he may never replicate. Losing Ellsbury was bigger than they could have imagined. They've been playing many different outfielders. Platooning Gomes and Nava is a problem. Victorino has been injured all year, and Grady Sizemore barely didn't even last the first half. An aging Ortiz is their best hitter.

The only good to come from this season is Brock Holt. Otherwise, there is no spark that was present last year.

I think the A's win it. They have the spark that the Red Sox had last year.

I didn't like the Drew signing last year and hated it this year. There's a reason the guy was sitting at home playing poolside volleyball.

Ells was huge but there are too many other pieces to lay it just on that.

I do think there is a long-term strategy in place and I'm seeing a pattern to it. Cherington knows that winning it all last year gave him some leeway with the impatient fans. Farrell knows he has the trust of the clubhouse and minors so being that we're at this sort of crossroads I'd prefer to build more from the ground up.

I'll say again the key to the near future is Buccholz. If he can produce the stuff and mentor the younger guys then we're on to something. If he's gonna be "Clay the alien" then we're in trouble.