Excellently worded point. I think most people forget how truly inaccurate the test is for this virus. Add in the fact that the survival rate is what it is, and it begs the question you stated. When does this end. Apologies to everyone who has lost loved ones, I hope this very real conversation that needs to happen in our society (admittedly maybe not on warchant) does not cast that into a trivial light.
Sounds like the SEC will make teams forfeit who have to cancel a game due to a Covid outbreak this season
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not going to end. it will be an endemic disease like the flu, common cold. not to be callous but society will have to figure out a way to live with corona without shutting down civilization. beginning to see the possibility that it wasn't meant to be ended.
its amazing what gain of function research can do, huh?
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Gif replies tell you all you need to know….
You do understand that hospitals are not testing for a (delta) variant? They only test for covid. So when people are pushing a delta variant, its not backed in science.
Damn,this is not rocket science. It's simple..Forget whether the vaccines work or not. Forget whether you should be vaccinated or not. It boils down to this: IT IS LIKELY THE ACC (LIKE THE SEC) WILL STATE THAT TEAMS WITH A HIGH PERCENTAGE OF VACCINATED PLAYERS DO NOT HAVE TO BE TESTED! If they aren't tested, they won't be found to be infected (even if they are) and therefore a team will not have to forfeit a game. IF THE TEAM DOES NOT REACH THE THRESHOLD OF VACCINATION MANDATED (LIKE 85%), THEN THE TEAM WILL BE CONSTANTLY TESTED! And the testing will likely produce significant number of positives that may well result in a forfeit! You may not like that. You may not think that is fair. You may think that is wrong. But what you think is worthless. The rule will be plain. And it will be enforced, whether you think it is right/fair or not. So the players need to get vaccinated...(you, on the other hand, can remain unvaccinated and die of covid, I don't care, as long as you don't expect me to wear a mask because you're too stupid to get vaccinated).
And you have a 98% chance of survival without the vaccine.
Disgraceful moveThis is a pretty big deal considering how many teams had outbreaks last year and how many players are still unvaccinated. If the SEC does make teams forfeit, I would expect other conferences to follow, as they should.
Hopefully our players are smart enough to get the vaccine. Imagine if we had to forfeit against Wake, Syracuse, UMass etc. It could totally derail our season.
With the season roughly six weeks away, time is running out for teams to fully vaccinate their players and coaches against COVID-19. The risk of widespread infection and contact tracing was a prevalent issue across every conference in 2020. But with the availability of vaccines this time around, the SEC is looking to get their numbers up to avoid any potential issues. Sankey said that there will not be extra space built into each team's schedule to allow for make-up games, and the term "forfeit" is being thrown around. In short, teams will be expected to play each week. If a team cannot put together enough players because of an outbreak, that's on them. Expect other conferences to adopt a similar policy.
As of Monday, six of the league's 14 teams have reached 80% vaccination rates. "That number needs to grow, and grow rapidly," Sankey said. "We have learned how to manage through a COVID environment, but we do not yet have control of a COVID environment, and that finds us preparing to return toward normal this fall, but we see realities around us."
2021 SEC Media Days: Florida confident in QB situation, COVID vaccination update among takeaways on Monday
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This is a good question. At least in the NCAA Baseball Tournament, vaccinated players weren't even required to be tested (Until there was an outbreak at NC State, but that's another story).
I believe the NFL has the same policy this upcoming season while the NBA is still testing everyone.
*Hopefully* only unvaccinated players will be required to be tested since vaccinated players are at much less risk at both getting sick and spreading the disease. That doesn't mean it can't happen though so they very well could make everyone get tested.
Nice number. Until it hits home otherwise. And “survival” is a pretty broad term. I just assume skipping the whole infection based on what I have seen.
Think about it this way.
There are 1000 elderly people who get Covid. 950 of them have been vaccinated, 50 have not been vaccinated.
30 of the non-vaccinated people out of 50 (60%) are hospitalized. 20 of the vaccinated people out of 950 (2.1%) are hospitalized.
So despite only 2% of the vaccinated people being hospitalized they make up 40% of the hospitalizations and the non-vaccinated make up the other 60% despite accounting for only 5% of the population.
That's true in the case above and is close to what is going on here. Not exactly obviously, there are *some* people who aren't elderly getting hospitalized too but it's not a lot. There's also the dynamic that the Astrazeneca vaccine that most Brits have gotten isn't nearly as effective as the ones we have here.
I don't know what this Britain Scientific Advisor was trying to accomplish but all he did was confuse everyone with a misleading statistic.
By all accounts, nearly 100% of the deaths right now are among the unvaccinated.
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So you just discounted one medical officials numbers as not real, and then generalize something as 100% the other way.
science is about standing up to scrutiny not hiding / discounting evidence that doesn’t agree with your opinion or position.
Yes. I do. But research shows it is now the dominant strain, it’s more virulent, and cases are rapidly rising overall as a result.
This is a pretty big deal considering how many teams had outbreaks last year and how many players are still unvaccinated. If the SEC does make teams forfeit, I would expect other conferences to follow, as they should.
Hopefully our players are smart enough to get the vaccine. Imagine if we had to forfeit against Wake, Syracuse, UMass etc. It could totally derail our season.
With the season roughly six weeks away, time is running out for teams to fully vaccinate their players and coaches against COVID-19. The risk of widespread infection and contact tracing was a prevalent issue across every conference in 2020. But with the availability of vaccines this time around, the SEC is looking to get their numbers up to avoid any potential issues. Sankey said that there will not be extra space built into each team's schedule to allow for make-up games, and the term "forfeit" is being thrown around. In short, teams will be expected to play each week. If a team cannot put together enough players because of an outbreak, that's on them. Expect other conferences to adopt a similar policy.
As of Monday, six of the league's 14 teams have reached 80% vaccination rates. "That number needs to grow, and grow rapidly," Sankey said. "We have learned how to manage through a COVID environment, but we do not yet have control of a COVID environment, and that finds us preparing to return toward normal this fall, but we see realities around us."
2021 SEC Media Days: Florida confident in QB situation, COVID vaccination update among takeaways on Monday
Plus, LSU coach Ed Orgeron revealed what he would have done differently with former Tigers DC Bo Pelini
The Big 12 was first out of the gate with this policy. Expect all 5 conferences to be the same. Most of these teams had at least 30% test positive for Covid. So, if they can get the vaccination up to the 70s% then they should be good. Most teams will apply enough pressure to get to that "no test" point.
Not sure if I'm more sad or angry reading this post. The laws of unintended consequences can be cruel.
From the article you posted:
However, NHS leaders, such head of NHS Providers Chris Hopson, have said it is “incredibly striking” how few hospitalised patients had been given two doses.
From an article on July 15th: https://www.businessinsider.com/uk-half-covid-19-cases-had-vaccine-study-zoe-delta-2021-7
"As of July 15, an estimated 17,581 new daily UK cases of COVID-19 were in unvaccinated people, the study authors said in a press release on Thursday.
That compares to an estimated 15,537 new COVID-19 cases in people who had at least one dose of the vaccine, which is about 47% of all cases."
They grouped together those with only one out of two of the vaccination series. Also, this article was talking about cases, not hospitalizations. The actual number of hospitalizations is very low, hence the 40% number.
Further, the lead researcher said; ""That's probably because the virus is just running out of people to infect who haven't already been exposed and don't have natural immune unity in those groups [unvaccinated people]," Prof Tim Spector, an epidemiologist from King's College London, said in a video accompanying the press release."
Finally: "In an email to Insider, Spector said: "Our research showed fewer, milder symptoms were reported in vaccinated people compared to unvaccinated adults who had contracted the virus."
So, no news here, just people who don't understand statistics and don't read closely.
He ends with this: Two doses of vaccine were much more protective, reducing the risk of having mild symptoms of the disease by about 80%, and the risk of hospitalization by 96%, the PHE data said."
Here is an article that explains it well with data from the US:
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It ends when we have a high enough percentage of people vaccinated that the virus is no longer easily transmitted. If it has no where to go, it won't mutate. It will die out. Same as polio. Same as small pox. We're still at an appallingly low percentage overall in this country, and some states or locales are particularly low, so that's where you're seeing the number of positive cases and hospitalizations spiking. And the people who are getting it now are the unvaccinated younger people. People under 40. Pregnant women. People least likely to getting sick before.
He is actually right, that this Brit did say that. But, the Brit MD didn't explain it so folks can understand what it means.
See my other post for further explanation.
Here's a hint:
US Data: 7 day average of deaths in February peak 3460.
7 day average deaths currently: 248. 7% of what was in February.
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It’ll “end” when everyone gets vaccinated and herd immunity is accomplished.
It won’t end if people keep learning their science from political talk show hosts and Social media influencers.
Yes, the reason it is trending younger is we have extremely high vaccination rates in the over 65 age group. But, even in lower vaccinated areas, this should be the last hurrah as the Delta variant is very contagious and will infect a larger percentage of the population in those lower vaccinated areas, therefore reaching "herd immunity" by a combination of vaccination and prior infected people soon.
Link?
Who is “you”?
How old are “you?”
How healthy are you?
How many times are you willing to roll the 100 sided dice and hope it doesn’t come up on one of those 2?
What is the risk for hospitalizations if you don’t get vaccinated?
If you are vaccinated, how much does it reduce the chance of spreading it to others?
reduce the chance of hospitalization?
reduce the chance of death?
what moral obligation do you have to others to get vaccinated?
For what it is worth here is my opinion:
The vaccine is available for 12 and over people in all places in the US. Most places have a vaccination level over 60%. The CDC reported their estimate before the vaccinations of around 30% of the US had been infected. Getting fully vaccinated decreases risk of infected by 80% and risk of hospitalization/death by 95%.
Given all this, it is up to the individual to get vaccinated. I also support the governments outreach in encouraging folks to get vaccinated from Covid. In the few areas that have low vaccination rates and a resulting high level of hospitalization we accept their decisions/delusions and do our best to encourage them to get vaccinated. Soon, the delta variant will burn out even in those areas as it runs out of folks to infect.
The vaccine is available for 12 and over people in all places in the US. Most places have a vaccination level over 60%. The CDC reported their estimate before the vaccinations of around 30% of the US had been infected. Getting fully vaccinated decreases risk of infected by 80% and risk of hospitalization/death by 95%.
Given all this, it is up to the individual to get vaccinated. I also support the governments outreach in encouraging folks to get vaccinated from Covid. In the few areas that have low vaccination rates and a resulting high level of hospitalization we accept their decisions/delusions and do our best to encourage them to get vaccinated. Soon, the delta variant will burn out even in those areas as it runs out of folks to infect.
Best post in this thread. Percentages without context can quickly lead people astray.
@fsufool Thanks for your well thought out posts. The one thing I disagree with here is the likelihood that it burns out. Immunity gained from getting the virus has been estimated at 3 to 6 months. Therefore, the same people who initially got it can get it again. There is also the possibility of additional variants in the future. While I do hope that it burns itself out as you have stated, it is not my expectation without vaccinations and herd immunity. Good discussion.
FYI, that is old data. The immunity keeps getting pushed up as each month of data is included. Currently it is 10 months, as far as the data goes back. That is why the CDC keeps saying no need for booster shots at this time.
Well, when science and facts do not work, I am left with just entertaining everyone.
He used Math... what more do you want him to do? You are using conjecture and social media for your arguments. Math is finite.
Dr Bryan Ardis has filed a lawsuit against the federal government and claims there are 11 vaccine damage reporting systems that show over 45K COVID vaccine deaths
Nonsense. The vaccine court covers all vaccine injuries. Anyone can file a claim. However, those claims are looked at by medical experts (scientists and doctors) and adjudicated by a vaccine court magistrate. Its a tough process meant to weed out actual vaccine injuries from coincidence or injuries due to other processes or intervening variables. If there were 45,000 deaths, at least a good portion on them that would be filtering through the vaccine court by this time.
Specifically, I was speaking of immunity from getting COVID, not from getting the shot.
And the media would be telling us about those 45000 deaths constantly. Fear and divisiveness are their bread and butter.
That's naïve. The media is state propaganda and they are the chief promotors of the need for this experimental vaccine. They have every reason to hide these facts. There are real doctors and real scientists that disagree with what is going on. Watch the other video I just posted.
This is why we can’t ever have a decent discussion about these topics. Stay safe.
We are just having a discussion and I am providing alternative information for anyone who may be interested. Watch the video and learn something. There's nothing to be afraid of here.
Every vaccine is experimental as is every medical treatment ever. There is no book handed to anyone with all the facts and why we have science.
This MRNA vaccine has been in the works for over 9 years with the SARS virus, another corona type infection, and was already tested and vetted. Anything you put into your body is an experiment to some extent, as some people are allergic to peanut butter but Reese’s are sold everywhere.
Don’t be so obtuse to actual facts and data. Vaccines work or you must home school your kids.
