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Watch the video and learn something.
I did watch the video but prefer the recommendations of true doctors and scientists. I also always evaluate the source of anything online. Took me a few seconds to find this gem: "BitChute is a video hosting service known for accommodating far-right individuals and conspiracy theorists, and for hosting hate speech."

Seems I am the one in the position to educate and others may have something to learn. 🎤💧
 
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I did watch the video but prefer the recommendations of true doctors and scientists. I also always evaluate the source of anything online. Took me a few seconds to find this gem: "BitChute is a video hosting service known for accommodating far-right individuals and conspiracy theorists, and for hosting hate speech."
Seems I am the one in the position to educate and others may have something to learn. 🎤💧
That was a real doctor, treating real patients and quoting real science. I highly doubt you listened to the entire thing. He isn't alone - that's for sure.

Sounds like your source of information is Snopes or MSNBC or CNN.
 
What ever happened to the flu?
Great question. When Covid arrived - the Flu has all but disappeared. More people die from the flu but we don't shut down society because of it. It amazes me that people cannot see this is all being used for political control.

Just allow for freedom folks. The moment you start trying to force others to take something into your body - it becomes tyranny.

What happened to "my body, my choice"???
 
That was a real doctor, treating real patients and quoting real science. I highly doubt you listened to the entire thing. He isn't alone - that's for sure. Sounds like your source of information is Snopes or MSNBC or CNN.
Great question. When Covid arrived - the Flu has all but disappeared. More people die from the flu but we don't shut down society because of it. It amazes me that people cannot see this is all being used for political control.

Just allow for freedom folks. The moment you start trying to force others to take something into your body - it becomes tyranny.

What happened to "my body, my choice"???

What is it truly like living in that echo chamber? I get my news from lots of sources, some online, some offline, and ALWAYS evaluate the source regardless where it comes from. There is a reason that video is on that website and it is because it is full of falsehoods. Someone with a degree does not mean they are experts in what they are talking about... or else malpractice insurance and attorneys would be out of business. I can't win this debate the same as certain groups don't accept any outcomes - but still think they are different. Facts will not matter to you.

You can claim this is political and about control, but seems you are ignoring facts because of your own politics. If I am making the same assumptions about you as you did me(which were wrong), I would assume you are ok with overturning Roe v. Wade, but then, isn't that in conflict with "My body, My choice"? I love how people think this was all about a U.S. election for President so the entire world is in on the scam... everyone who is reporting COVID issues must be in on the biggest conspiracy everywhere. SMDH.
 
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I did watch the video but prefer the recommendations of true doctors and scientists. I also always evaluate the source of anything online. Took me a few seconds to find this gem: "BitChute is a video hosting service known for accommodating far-right individuals and conspiracy theorists, and for hosting hate speech."

Seems I am the one in the position to educate and others may have something to learn. 🎤💧
You really believe what that says? Its just a hosting service where people can post freely without being censored. You know, like the first ammendment intended.
You are being led around by the nose and apparently enjoy it.
 
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You really believe what that says? Its just a hosting service where people can post freely without being censored. You know, like the first ammendment intended.
You are being led around by the nose and apparently enjoy it.
Have you visited the site or understand the history of why it was created? The first amendment was for free press and speech against the government in public places. It is not applicable to private enterprises and certain situations in public places.

You should educate yourself about all this before espousing views that are just sound bites you hear from social media. It is always better to be informed than ignorant.
 
Because it was one doc for one night............cumulative numbers say over 97% of the hospitalized are unvaccinated.
I guess the main reason we ignored it was because it was stated on a message board where you can say anything.

I did not reply as I went to space with Bezos today and did not have time.
 
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Have you visited the site or understand the history of why it was created? The first amendment was for free press and speech against the government in public places. It is not applicable to private enterprises and certain situations in public places.

You should educate yourself about all this before espousing views that are just sound bites you hear from social media. It is always better to be informed than ignorant.
Like I said, "Led by the nose".
 
He used Math... what more do you want him to do? You are using conjecture and social media for your arguments. Math is finite.
He didn’t use math for the portion I was referring to. He said the 40% the medical professional stated was confusing. He is discounting statistics because it does not support his position.
Which is the OPPOSITE of science. Like I stated.
In a world where the government is working to ban anyone who speaks out with something they deem as “innacurate” even when there are ample medical professionals (like one who posted his account on this site above) and studies to show (like the one referenced in the UK) that the government’s stance on this vaccine may be worth evaluating, it seems very concerning to me and I’m not talking about health. You should be more open minded about where your information is coming from. What is happening in our country is extremely dangerous and exactly why the 1st amendment was written to begin with.
 
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Think about it this way.

There are 1000 elderly people who get Covid. 950 of them have been vaccinated, 50 have not been vaccinated.

30 of the non-vaccinated people out of 50 (60%) are hospitalized. 20 of the vaccinated people out of 950 (2.1%) are hospitalized.

So despite only 2% of the vaccinated people being hospitalized they make up 40% of the hospitalizations and the non-vaccinated make up the other 60% despite accounting for only 5% of the population.

That's true in the case above and is close to what is going on here. Not exactly obviously, there are *some* people who aren't elderly getting hospitalized too but it's not a lot. There's also the dyna
He didn’t use math for the portion I was referring to. He said the 40% the medical professional stated was confusing. He is discounting statistics because it does not support his position.
Which is the OPPOSITE of science. Like I stated.
In a world where the government is working to ban anyone who speaks out with something they deem as “innacurate” even when there are ample medical professionals (like one who posted his account on this site above) and studies to show (like the one referenced in the UK) that the government’s stance on this vaccine may be worth evaluating, it seems very concerning to me and I’m not talking about health. You should be more open minded about where your information is coming from. What is happening in our country is extremely dangerous and exactly why the 1st amendment was written to begin with.
It was both confusing and misleading to the general public and seemingly you and I explained why. If you don’t understand why I don’t know what to tell you.

Ive made my living as a professional gambler since I graduated from FSU in 2005 and have never worked a single “real job”. Studying math, statistics, and probabilities is literally all that I’ve done every day of my life for the last 16 years and to get by I have to understand it better than almost anyone or I will go broke.

All of the math and science I’m aware of supports getting the vaccine and it’s not close.

You’re welcome to make your own choice.
 
It was both confusing and misleading to the general public and seemingly you and I explained why. If you don’t understand why I don’t know what to tell you.

Ive made my living as a professional gambler since I graduated from FSU in 2005 and have never worked a single “real job”. Studying math, statistics, and probabilities is literally all that I’ve done every day of my life for the last 16 years and to get by I have to understand it better than almost anyone or I will go broke.

All of the math and science I’m aware of supports getting the vaccine and it’s not close.

You’re welcome to make your own choice.
As a mechanical engineer who majored in math in physics, I’m right there with you on math being the sacred language. I think the fundamental difference in where we both are is that I question the media delivering the studies to us. I’ve seen numerous reports of studies involving mask efficacy as well as vaccine efficacy being removed from websites such as the CDC, and medical journals because they don’t agree with the narrative. If you think that herd immunity comes only from a vaccine, I recommend everyone go visit that fine Biology building on our campus.
As an engineer and a physics nerd, I can tell you nothing about the mask mandate makes any sense. Filtration size and particle size are important. There were numerous studies showing this that started to disappear when the CDC and Fauci himself pulled an about face on his mask stance last year.
Very happy I still am allowed to make my own choice, people in France and Italy don’t have that luxury any more, and it sounds like 18 year olds on our football team won’t either.
 
As a mechanical engineer who majored in math in physics, I’m right there with you on math being the sacred language. I think the fundamental difference in where we both are is that I question the media delivering the studies to us. I’ve seen numerous reports of studies involving mask efficacy as well as vaccine efficacy being removed from websites such as the CDC, and medical journals because they don’t agree with the narrative. If you think that herd immunity comes only from a vaccine, I recommend everyone go visit that fine Biology building on our campus.
As an engineer and a physics nerd, I can tell you nothing about the mask mandate makes any sense. Filtration size and particle size are important. There were numerous studies showing this that started to disappear when the CDC and Fauci himself pulled an about face on his mask stance last year.
Very happy I still am allowed to make my own choice, people in France and Italy don’t have that luxury any more.
A guy I swim with is an engineer that studied/researched/published on filtration for over 10 years and is now an editor on the main engineering periodical that publishes on the topic. He has been consistently dubious of masks being effective. He reads and sends out for peer review multiple articles on the subject and hasn't changed his opinion in the last 16 months of Covid pandemic.
 
Since we are at it, I’ll tell my story. I have a degree in biology and chemistry, and physical therapy, where I have practiced for over 20 years now. I work closely with doctors in all areas, and have had discussions with them. There are plenty of people in medicine who are unsure about the vaccine, but can’t really speak up due to fear of being labeled a quack or conspiracy theorist.

By no means am I an “anti-vaxxer.”Standard vaccines have been proven to prevent disease. With that said, these mRNA based vaccines are not “standard.” They are the first of their kind. The mechanics within the body work on different principles than standard vaccines. My fear is the possibility of long term side effects. If these vaccines end up causing an issue with the regular transcription and translation of DNA within your body we may see the formation of cancerous cells. These may not show themselves until a couple years down the road. There is not a scientist or doctor on this planet that can tell you what the long term side effects may be, we are living the research at this moment.

That’s my $.02, take it or leave it, but in America these types of things should remain the choice of the individual.
 
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Since we are at it, I’ll tell my story. I have a degree in biology and chemistry, and physical therapy, where I have practiced for over 20 years now. I work closely with doctors in all areas, and have had discussions with them. There are plenty of people in medicine who are unsure about the vaccine, but can’t really speak up due to fear of being labeled a quack or conspiracy theorist.

By no means am I an “anti-vaxxer” standard vaccines have been proven prevent disease. With that said, these mRNA based vaccines are not “standard.” They are the first of their kind. The mechanics within the body work on different principles than standard vaccines. My fear is the possibility of long term side effects. If these vaccines end up causing an issue with the regular transcription and translation of DNA within your body we may see the formation of cancerous cells. These may not show themselves until a couple years down the road. There is not a scientist or doctor on this planet that can tell you what the long term side effects may be, we are living the research at this moment.

That’s my $.02, take it or leave it, but in America these types of things should remain the choice of the individual.
Yes, subtle and not so subtle censorship from hospitals and medical societies are a real thing. I laugh when people say medicine is a science or totally science based. It isn't even close. The amount of medical procedures that were/are done for years with little research backing them up is huge. I did my PhD research surrounding one (IPPB therapy). C-sections is another one that is still controversial (the amount done in the US). The use of forceps in birthing babies is another one.

Having said all that, I and my family are fully vaccinated. The risk of side effects (even unknown ones) is extremely small. We all choose the risks we take, but humans are very bad at understanding them. For me the risk of getting Covid, although small was larger by several degrees than any risk of deadly side effects from the vaccination happening several years down the road.
 
It seems we have three major camps of people.

1. Why would you take a vaccine that isn’t approved and could kill you!? You’re an idiot!

2. Why haven’t you taken the vaccine! You’re killing everybody!! You’re an idiot!

3. You do what you think is right for you, and I’ll do what I think is right for me based on my situation.

I’m hoping threads like this will result in more of the number three camp. Nobody needs to he hated on based upon their decision, whatever that may be.
 
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It seems we have three major camps of people.

1. Why would you take a vaccine that isn’t approved and could kill you!? You’re an idiot!

2. Why haven’t you taken the vaccine! You’re killing everybody!! You’re an idiot!

3. You do what you think is right for you, and I’ll do what I think is right for me based on my situation.

I’m hoping threads like this will result in more of the number three camp. Nobody needs to he hated on based their decision, whatever that may be.
I will add that the theory that you can stop the spread of a respiratory virus in a short time is dubious at best. These viruses live on for a very long time. What you can due is through either natural immunity from being infected or a combination of that and a vaccination severely curtail the damage the virus does to individuals. And the medical system learns how to best treat those individuals that do get a serious viral infection. Unfortunately, older folks are always susceptible to various infections because their immune systems start to fail as a result of old age/sickness. My 99 year old father died of a what started as a UTI, that wasn't treated. Something that he had easily recovered from many times before.
 
Good luck with that! He’s a Chiropractor not an MD.
I wouldn’t care if he is a plumber. Is he is willing to compile a lot of information from legitimate vaccine reporting websites, I’d like to see the information without having to navigate all the websites myself.
 
I wouldn’t care if he is a plumber. Is he is willing to compile a lot of information from legitimate vaccine reporting websites, I’d like to see the information without having to navigate all the websites myself.
Unless he is reporting on my water heater and water flow, I would care VERY much that he is a plumber and any analysis would be opinion. Also, Chiropractic colleges teach courses that modern medicine and vaccines are worthless and most treatment can occur with Chiro.

Currently the media reports any breakthrough infections like breaking news yet they only represent 0.1%.of the total vaccinated. However, they are hiding the fact that 45K deaths have occurred due to the vaccine?
 
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That was a real doctor, treating real patients and quoting real science. I highly doubt you listened to the entire thing. He isn't alone - that's for sure.

Sounds like your source of information is Snopes or MSNBC or CNN.
You’re right in that he’s an MD, an experienced Cardiologist! Would even agree with his comments about the possibility of COVID being a bioterrorist attack. But based on rational scientific evidence of the effectiveness of the Moderna & Pfizer vaccines, I recommend being vaccinated in most instances. Your Chiropractor suing the government & your consultant Cardiologist aren’t in the ED or ICU taking care of patients with COVID, so their opinion is of little importance to me. Find me a credible Pulmonologist/Criitical Care MD spouting the propaganda to support your argument of not being vaccinate, then I’ll listen. BTW, I’ve had 11 patients in the last month that are no longer with us, with your same point of view. Wish you the best of luck going forwar.
 
You’re right in that he’s an MD, an experienced Cardiologist! Would even agree with his comments about the possibility of COVID being a bioterrorist attack. But based on rational scientific evidence of the effectiveness of the Moderna & Pfizer vaccines, I recommend being vaccinated in most instances. Your Chiropractor suing the government & your consultant Cardiologist aren’t in the ED or ICU taking care of patients with COVID, so their opinion is of little importance to me. Find me a credible Pulmonologist/Criitical Care MD spouting the propaganda to support your argument of not being vaccinate, then I’ll listen. BTW, I’ve had 11 patients in the last month that are no longer with us, with your same point of view. Wish you the best of luck going forwar.
I have a feeling if I found you some pulmonologists or critical care MD’s who did not support the vaccine. . . You would not call them credible.
 
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I wouldn’t care if he is a plumber. Is he is willing to compile a lot of information from legitimate vaccine reporting websites, I’d like to see the information without having to navigate all the websites myself.
Since we are at it, I’ll tell my story. I have a degree in biology and chemistry, and physical therapy, where I have practiced for over 20 years now. I work closely with doctors in all areas, and have had discussions with them. There are plenty of people in medicine who are unsure about the vaccine, but can’t really speak up due to fear of being labeled a quack or conspiracy theorist.

By no means am I an “anti-vaxxer.”Standard vaccines have been proven to prevent disease. With that said, these mRNA based vaccines are not “standard.” They are the first of their kind. The mechanics within the body work on different principles than standard vaccines. My fear is the possibility of long term side effects. If these vaccines end up causing an issue with the regular transcription and translation of DNA within your body we may see the formation of cancerous cells. These may not show themselves until a couple years down the road. There is not a scientist or doctor on this planet that can tell you what the long term side effects may be, we are living the research at this moment.

That’s my $.02, take it or leave it, but in America these types of things should remain the choice of the individual.
I agree with the choice of the individual argument, but I also assume that the individual is willing to assume the risk associated with such a decision?
I wouldn’t care if he is a plumber. Is he is willing to compile a lot of information from legitimate vaccine reporting websites, I’d like to see the information without having to navigate all the websites myself.
There’s only one site for reporting adverse reactions to the vaccines, VAERS & the data is collected by the CDC. Unfortunately many on the right have taken data from this site & misrepresented what the data truly means. Since you wouldn’t care if he’s a plumber, I assume the next time you need medical care you will call your plumber?
 
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I agree with the choice of the individual argument, but I also assume that the individual is willing to assume the risk associated with such a decision? For example

There’s only one site for reporting adverse reactions to the vaccines, VAERS & the data is collected by the CDC. Unfortunately many on the right have taken data from this site & misrepresented what the data truly means. Since you wouldn’t care if he’s a plumber, I assume the next time you need medical care you will call your plumber?
That’s exactly what I’ll do. SMH. I guess you misunderstood what I wrote.

yes, people should assume the associated risks with their decisions. . . Both with getting and not getting vaccinated.
 
Great question. When Covid arrived - the Flu has all but disappeared. More people die from the flu but we don't shut down society because of it. It amazes me that people cannot see this is all being used for political control.

Just allow for freedom folks. The moment you start trying to force others to take something into your body - it becomes tyranny.

What happened to "my body, my choice"???
Political control coordinated by every country in the world? This would have some small amount of legitimacy if the US was the only ones calling COVID a big deal but if anything the US has been one of the most “free” of first world countries. So did all the politicians in the world get together to conspire for “political control”? That makes sense to you?
 
I have a feeling if I found you some pulmonologists or critical care MD’s who did not support the vaccine. . . You would not call them credible.
Find them first! I had one at my facility that was sold on hydroxychloroquine in the early stages, he’s not working right now, as he’s in rehab for a DUI. You have a right to your opinion, but I see the stupidity of the unvaccinated in my facility frequently & no Chiropractor, Cardiologist or Plumber is going to change my opinion about the efficacy of the Moderna & Pfizer vaccine. I wish you the best of luck.
 
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Find them first! I had one at my facility that was sold on hydroxychloroquine in the early stages, he’s not working right now, as he’s in rehab for a DUI. You have a right to your opinion, but I see the stupidity of the unvaccinated in my facility frequently & no Chiropractor, Cardiologist or Plumber is going to change my opinion about the efficacy of the Moderna & Pfizer vaccine. I wish you the best of luck.
I wish you the best of luck also, thank you for your input.
 
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One of the main hospitals I work at is now having to reopen another COVID only floor for patients. The surge is real and happening. Will get worse into the fall.
 
One of the main hospitals I work at is now having to reopen another COVID only floor for patients. The surge is real and happening. Will get worse into the fall.
Would you be able to share some data at some of those hospitals as to how many are vaccinated vs not as time goes on?
 
Interesting interview with the inventor of the mRNA vaccine - Dr. Robert Malone (re: why fully vaccinated people are still getting Covid):


Dr. Malone says he created the technology behind the Covid 19 vaccines and has spent decades defending and developing vaccines. But, he says carefully crafted public messaging and aggressive vaccine pushes are not ethical. Dr. Malone has concerns about the safety of these experimental vaccines and wants to warn others.
 
As a mechanical engineer who majored in math in physics, I’m right there with you on math being the sacred language. I think the fundamental difference in where we both are is that I question the media delivering the studies to us. I’ve seen numerous reports of studies involving mask efficacy as well as vaccine efficacy being removed from websites such as the CDC, and medical journals because they don’t agree with the narrative. If you think that herd immunity comes only from a vaccine, I recommend everyone go visit that fine Biology building on our campus.
As an engineer and a physics nerd, I can tell you nothing about the mask mandate makes any sense. Filtration size and particle size are important. There were numerous studies showing this that started to disappear when the CDC and Fauci himself pulled an about face on his mask stance last year.
Very happy I still am allowed to make my own choice, people in France and Italy don’t have that luxury any more, and it sounds like 18 year olds on our football team won’t either.
Agreed, its called GIGO (garbage in, garbage out). If the information that you are using to extrapolated your answer isn't accurate then neither will your answer be.
 
Interesting interview with the inventor of the mRNA vaccine - Dr. Robert Malone (re: why fully vaccinated people are still getting Covid):


Dr. Malone says he created the technology behind the Covid 19 vaccines and has spent decades defending and developing vaccines. But, he says carefully crafted public messaging and aggressive vaccine pushes are not ethical. Dr. Malone has concerns about the safety of these experimental vaccines and wants to warn others.

 
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