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Big Winston fan and wish he could stay with the Bucs and learn from Brady,
That being said as a Bucs fan I am ecstatic with the moves the Bucs have made. Just pick up a few more Ols Akers and Edelman after his release from the pats " too expensive cap" and things are looking great for Tampa.

quite a few Buc haters on this thread. ;)
 
Big Winston fan and wish he could stay with the Bucs and learn from Brady,
That being said as a Bucs fan I am ecstatic with the moves the Bucs have made. Just pick up a few more Ols Akers and Edelman after his release from the pats " too expensive cap" and things are looking great for Tampa.

quite a few Buc haters on this thread. ;)
They are just like gator fans with Tebow. Cannot deal with the fact that Jameis as the number one overall pick has been a disappointment. I was and still am a big Winston fan and I wish the Bucs could keep him. He was a lot of fun to watch in Tampa but he just turned the ball over way too much. Not just interceptions but fumbles too. By the way Brady is the GOAT quarterback. He is also the best that I have ever seen at throwing the ball away to avoid getting hit.
 
They are just like gator fans with Tebow. Cannot deal with the fact that Jameis as the number one overall pick has been a disappointment. I was and still am a big Winston fan and I wish the Bucs could keep him. He was a lot of fun to watch in Tampa but he just turned the ball over way too much. Not just interceptions but fumbles too. By the way Brady is the GOAT quarterback. He is also the best that I have ever seen at throwing the ball away to avoid getting hit.
Agree Just wonder if people will ever let go of his outrageous character assassination by the MSM?

Brady is the GOAT and I have seen them all going back to Unitas and before. Spurrier's offense was just re-fried Otto Graham Tebow proved that a FB/TE could be a successful college qb.:Face with Tears of Joy
 
For the sweet love of God, everyone knows that Jameis is far a superior QB than Tom Brady
Yuk, yuk..
Brady at his worst is better than Winston at his best.
?? Did I say anywhere jameis was better lol I said I do not think Brady is elite anymore which is fact not speculation lol. Even said in there that neither was Winston. Nowhere have I said I think Winston would be better. Only was saying you have an old slow Qb in a team without an oline that he is use to having and gronk hasn’t played in over a year and have been riddled with injuries
 
11-5 if we draft well. OT then one of the 5 stud RBs. Gronk wont be double teamed in this offense. The defense played well when they didn't start in bad field position. Shaq Attack is Back along with the rest of the D.
 
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Been a Bucs fan for decades but these recent moves are embarrassing. We haven't had a good draft in years. Now we get a head coach past his prime, a QB past his prime, and a TE past his prime. What exactly is the long term plan here?!? I know this is Florida, but the Bucs have become the NFL's retirement plan.
Why be a pessimist. Sure if your wrong then great the Bucs did well. If your right you can say told you so. So it’s a safe position.
I personally think Gronkowski is an up grade at tight end and so is Brady at Qtb
 
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Why be a pessimist. Sure if your wrong then great the Bucs did well. If your right you can say told you so. So it’s a safe position.
I personally think Gronkowski is an up grade at tight end and so is Brady at Qtb

I absolutely hope I'm wrong, but history does not make me hopeful. Not many examples of great players moving on to other teams and being successful. But who knows, maybe the Bucs outsmarted the Patriots.
 
11-5 if we draft well. OT then one of the 5 stud RBs. Gronk wont be double teamed in this offense. The defense played well when they didn't start in bad field position. Shaq Attack is Back along with the rest of the D.
I think that is the low end. Brady has never had these weapons. He will be hard to stop. Not because of his arm. Because of his head.
 
Perhaps you have forgotten George Allen and the Washington Redskins.
"The future is now". For the majority of the Bucs fans, it sure seems like there is excitement for this team that hasn't been there is 15 years. The Bucs have a narrow window, that they didn't have with Jameis. I give them credit for trying to go through it. In this modern NFL of free agency and salary cap, the windows can open and close quickly. The Rams has closed just as quick as it opened. The Bucs are at least taking a shot.
 
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I hope none of you are basing your hopes on an old, way past his prime, and declining arm strength qb, working with new teammates. jmho
 
I hope none of you are basing your hopes on an old, way past his prime, and declining arm strength qb, working with new teammates. jmho
I think there is more people basing their anti bucs sentiment on the fact that they kicked to curb the Seminole hero Jameis Winston.
 
I think there is more people basing their anti bucs sentiment on the fact that they kicked to curb the Seminole hero Jameis Winston.

Very well may be, but not me. I do think it was a mistake by the Bucs, though. Nothing new here, as they have a long history of making mistakes. I believe the move will benefit both parties.
 
Bruce scheme and Bills scheme are very different. What we all have watched with the bucs won’t be able to stay the same. BA is known for airing it out a lot. That takes time in the pocket. To act like an old Brady is just going to be shifty and quick moving in the pocket is simply not reality anymore in my opinion. Yes he will have plenty of weapons although OJ Howard still to me hasn’t shown to be dominant .... I would take Brate currently there. Gronk hasn’t been healthy in years and hasn’t played. Also no ground game

Yes I get it sounds like sour grapes but it is also some reality.
Lot of truth to what you say about Arians's scheme. One popular, and very plausible, prediction is that TB will be running the offense, not Arians. We shall see.
 
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I don't know where you looked, but they were definitely not 29th in Total D.

Link: #15 in Total D
The were 29th in points allowed

Choose your stat:
They were 15th in yards allowed.
They were 29th in points allowed.

You can also say Jameis led the league in passing. You're letting the #1 passer go for a 43 year old?

On more than one occasion that awesome Bucs D allowed the opposing team to go on long drives at the end of the game that ended up as a loss when it should have been a win.

The Bucs D was average at best, even by your own admission (15 out of 32 teams). And a lot of the credit given to the defense is based on skewed perception because they improved as the season went on.

No one said it’s a long term solution. But maybe they make it to the 2nd round of the playoffs. If so, it’s a success. Winning isn’t easy. Bucs were 7-9 last year with a ton of close losses. 10-6 or 11-5 isn’t far off.

If this move doesn't result in a Super Bowl victory, it is a failure. You will be starting all over after the geriatric Brady retires, when you didn't need to. Want to move on from Jameis? Fine, I disagree, but that's OK. But for God's sake, build for the future. How many seasons do you think TB has with the Bucs?

For the sweet love of God, everyone knows that Jameis is far a superior QB than Tom Brady
Yuk, yuk..
Brady at his worst is better than Winston at his best.

Yeah, funny guy; yuk yuk. Even Jameis said, and he never gets any credit for always being classy, the he was honored to be replaced by the GOAT. And we haven't seen Jameis at his best. Everyone harps on the INTs. Yeah, 30 is too many. What no one ever points out is that Winstons interceptions sky rocketed in Bruce's offense. Yet no writer, NFL pundit, or especially Bruce himself, ever mentions this or tries to explain why that is. Before Bruce, Winston's INT totals in chronological order were 15, 18, 11, and 14.

Bruce knew he had absolutely NO CHANCE to win unless Winston chucked it down the field 40 times a game. When questioned by reporters, Bruce and Jameis both stated over the course of the season, that Arians told Jameis not to worry about the INTs; just keep slinging it. That combined with a horrible running game and receivers running the wrong route resulted in the all those picks.
 
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Brady and Gronk won’t last 6 games. I may be the only Bucs fan in the world who is meh on this whole Brady deal. The Bucs aren’t winning anything this season. At best we’ll have a Joe Montana Kansas City situation

You definitely are not the only one; we are just drowned out by the delusional Bay area media, desperate Buc fans, and Jameis haters - many of whom post here regularly.
 
The were 29th in points allowed

Choose your stat:
They were 15th in yards allowed.
They were 29th in points allowed.

You can also say Jameis led the league in passing. You're letting the #1 passer go for a 43 year old?

On more than one occasion that awesome Bucs D allowed the opposing team to go on long drives at the end of the game that ended up as a loss when it should have been a win.

The Bucs D was average at best, even by your own admission (15 out of 32 teams). And a lot of the credit given to the defense is based on skewed perception because they improved as the season went on.



If this move doesn't result in a Super Bowl victory, it is a failure. You will be starting all over after the geriatric Brady retires, when you didn't need to. Want to move on from Jameis? Fine, I disagree, but that's OK. But for God's sake, build for the future. How many seasons do you think TB has with the Bucs?



Yeah, funny guy; yuk yuk. Even Jameis said, and he never gets any credit for always being classy, the he was honored to be replaced by the GOAT. And we haven't seen Jameis at his best. Everyone harps on the INTs. Yeah, 30 is too many. What no one ever points out is that Winstons interceptions sky rocketed in Bruce's offense. Yet no writer, NFL pundit, or especially Bruce himself, ever mentions this or tries to explain why that is. Before Bruce, Winston's INT totals in chronological order were 15, 18, 11, and 14.

Bruce knew he had absolutely NO CHANCE to win unless Winston chucked it down the field 40 times a game. When questioned by reporters, Bruce and Jameis both stated over the course of the season, that Arians told Jameis not to worry about the INTs; just keep slinging it. That combined with a horrible running game and receivers running the wrong route resulted in the all those picks.
I guarantee if I had to have a conversation about Winston from fans other than those on this site they would think I was a Winston apologist. I am not a Winston hater. It was fun having him in Tampa and his competitive spirit was great. He has all the talent he needs to succeed, but his failures are his to own. Not only does he lead league in interceptions since he has been in the league, he also leads the league in fumbles. One reason he has so many turnovers is he tries to do too much. He is always trying to make a play. He has to learn that sometimes the best result is a punt. In the seasons where he only threw 11 and 14 interceptions he missed a number of games due to suspension, injury and benchings. As the number one overall pick he has been a disappointment. He can still become a very good NFL quarterback but the improvement will have to come from him. Going to Dallas would be the best case scenario for him. That would probably be the case scenario for any quarterback.
 
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The were 29th in points allowed.
29th in points allowed doesn't tell the whole story of the defense. What about all the extra possessions opponents got thanks to Jameis turnovers? What about all the times they got the ball on a short field thanks to Jameis turnovers? What about the NFL record seven pick-6s?

This was a pretty decent defense that was put in a lot of horrible spots. #8 in completion percentage allowed. #8 in sacks. #1 in rushing defense. #1 in yards per carry allowed. Passing defense wasn't good, but they were great in other areas. They were plenty good enough to make the playoffs if not for all the turnovers.
 
Brady and Gronk won’t last 6 games. I may be the only Bucs fan in the world who is meh on this whole Brady deal. The Bucs aren’t winning anything this season. At best we’ll have a Joe Montana Kansas City situation

Well Montana took the Chiefs to their first division title in 12-years his first year in 1993 and to the AFC Championship game where they lost to the Bills. I believe he got knocked out in that game at some point. The next year the Chiefs lost in the wild card round. Two playoff appearances. I would imagine Buc fans would take that.
 
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My optimism is through the roof for my Bucs for the first time in forever. We getting a bunch of OL help as well. Add in Gronk and Edelman and I’m seeing stars. Brady getting his 1 and 2 with us. Add in Cam in the backfield hopefully and the sky is the limit. Please pick Cam Akers next for Pete’s sake please!!
 
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My optimism is through the roof for my Bucs for the first time in forever. We getting a bunch of OL help as well. Add in Gronk and Edelman and I’m seeing stars. Brady getting his 1 and 2 with us. Add in Cam in the backfield hopefully and the sky is the limit. Please pick Cam Akers next for Pete’s sake please!!


You really think they’re gonna get Edelman? I’ll admit since the apocalypse I haven’t been following as close.
 
You really think they’re gonna get Edelman? I’ll admit since the apocalypse I haven’t been following as close.
Edelman wants to no doubt. Question is how much are we willing to give up for a slot receiver to sweeten the pot for Bill. I don’t think Edelman is worth the farm as Gronk was. Doubtful it happens but never hurts to hope it happens. I’m ecstatic about Gronk being here although he leaves when Brady retires. Enjoy it while it lasts. I’m more worried with RB than anything.
 
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Adding a 42 yo QB is not a long term solution. This is a publicity stunt by the Bucs. Maybe we can pull Deion back out of retirement to round out the secondary.
I see us setting up for a run at Sunshine in Clemson to replace Brady long term so worth the gamble if so. Will be hard to get him if things go the way we hope the next couple years being he will most likely be a No.1 pick overall tho. Arians is not going to be a long term HC either. Especially if Brady can get him his SB before they both retire. Definitely looks like short term goals for sure.
 
We may look crazy later on down the stretch or have a SB trophy in the trophy case hopefully, but no matter what we won’t look as dumb as Green Bay does right now. They have Aaron for at least another 4 years and draft a Qb in the first round when they need other offensive weapons? What a dumb move and I thought we had some dummies running the show. You know Aaron has to be pissed off still even this morning. I thought for sure they jumped up to pick up a great TE or a Wr to help but no they wanted to shock the world and give Aaron a taste of what Favre had to taste.
 
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Edelman wants to no doubt. Question is how much are we willing to give up for a slot receiver to sweeten the pot for Bill. I don’t think Edelman is worth the farm as Gronk was. Doubtful it happens but never hurts to hope it happens. I’m ecstatic about Gronk being here although he leaves when Brady retires. Enjoy it while it lasts. I’m more worried with RB than anything.

Yeah they seem to be happy with Jones. I’d like to see us still pick up a RB though. So far it looks like they’re trying to fix the crap o-line that some here still think was serviceable for some reason. Gotta think that will help the run game as well. Jones did improve last year, I’d just like to see a playmaker behind Brady.
 
Yeah they seem to be happy with Jones. I’d like to see us still pick up a RB though. So far it looks like they’re trying to fix the crap o-line that some here still think was serviceable for some reason. Gotta think that will help the run game as well. Jones did improve last year, I’d just like to see a playmaker behind Brady.
I’d be satisfied with Swift but my biased pick is Cam Akers. We need a Nole in there as a consistent starter. That is just insane how many they got in there and mostly from Bama. The draft knocked them back a bit imo. That was a lot of starters gone in 1 year especially on the offensive side.
 
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I’d be satisfied with Swift but my biased pick is Cam Akers. We need a Nole in there as a consistent starter. That is just insane how many they got in there and mostly from Bama. The draft knocked them back a bit imo. That was a lot of starters gone in 1 year especially on the offensive side.

I’d be ecstatic with Cam in Tampa.
 
I’d be ecstatic with Cam in Tampa.
Vanderbilt RB makes me scratch my head. Hopefully he blows our minds, but Dobbins is still on the board and we still had a shot for Akers before that pick as well. SMDH still!!!
 
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And he struggles without a mismatch nightmare like Gronk.
Mike Evans and Chris Godwin are huge mismatches. Mike Evans has tight end size with wide receiver speed. Chris Godwin reminds me of Anquan Boldin. The Bucs are one of rare teams that have 2 true number 1 receivers. May be the only team. Oh by the way Gronk is coming too.
 
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This is false. He threw for that many yards bc he had no running game and the only offense they could generate was in the air. Winston has bad INTs ... no question. But he also took a tremendous amount of punishment and kept the team in games. If Brady wins with the same OL, RBs and playcalling, then you can say JW was the entire problem. But I’m betting that’s not the case. You’re either going to see big changes in those three areas or Brady doesn’t last past the 4th game.
I can go along with the above with one exception. Most of Jameis's interceptions were simply bad decisions on his part. I watched every game and there were times when Jameis had pressure. In those instance quite often he would heave something in desperation that would end up being intercepted. These were bad decisions on his part. Other time he would just make a poor throw. He also in his career had more fumbles than anyone else. I do not know why no one ever considers this. Jameis had as much time as any NFL quarterback can expect to get.
 
You definitely are not the only one; we are just drowned out by the delusional Bay area media, desperate Buc fans, and Jameis haters - many of whom post here regularly.
I do not think anyone on here hates Jameis. Most of us are big fans of his. There may be a few that hold a grudge for some of his behavior issues but most of the people on here root for him. I was hugely excited when the Bucs drafted him. I expected him to be great. He was not. The turnover issue we saw in his RS sophomore year was indicative of the player he turned out to be. He can still change this but it is up to him.
 
Mike Evans and Chris Godwin are huge mismatches. Mike Evans has tight end size with wide receiver speed. Chris Godwin reminds me of Anquan Boldin. The Bucs are one of rare teams that have 2 true number 1 receivers. May be the only team. Oh by the way Gronk is coming too.
You know Brady is licking his chops to get on the practice field and get the timing down pat with all the weapons he gets to pick from on the field. If our OL can improve and block for a good 4 seconds watch out! I don’t remember very many teams in the history of football with that much talent on offense on 1 team ever really. Godwin and Evans sharing reps are a rare commodity in the pros. Most are premadonnas that want the ball every down or quit playing.
 
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You know Brady is licking his chops to get on the practice field and get the timing down pat with all the weapons he gets to pick from on the field. If our OL can improve and block for a good 4 seconds watch out! I don’t remember very many teams in the history of football with that much talent on offense on 1 team ever really. Godwin and Evans sharing reps are a rare commodity in the pros. Most are premadonnas that want the ball every down or quit playing.

Do you want Brady to have a cup of coffee back there in the pocket? Since 2016 there have only been 10 instances where a QB has taken over 3 seconds on average to throw a pass through the course of a season (128 pass attempts minimum). Yes I'm sure there are instances where the line provides good protection and the QB might have 4 seconds. However, it looks like 2.5-3.0 seconds is the normal amount of time it takes a QB to release their passes.

I'll agree the line needs to give Brady time, and if they do he will carve up just about any defense with the weapons he has. If he has 4 seconds to throw his passes, every lineman on the Bucs better be in the Pro Bowl and eventually be Hall of Fame candidates.

2016 Tyrod Taylor (Buffalo) averaged 3.13 seconds
2017 Tyrod Taylor (Buffalo) averaged 3.02 seconds
2017 Brett Hundley (Green Bay) averaged 3.00 seconds
2017 Russell Wilson (Seattle) averaged 3.05 seconds
2017 DeShaun Watson (Houston) averaged 3.10 seconds
2018 DeShaun Watson (Houston) averaged 3.01 seconds
2018 Lemar Jackson (Baltimore) averaged 3.1 seconds
2018 Josh Allen (Buffalo) averaged 3.22 seconds
2018 Russell Wilson (Seattle) averaged 3.02 seconds
2019 Kirk Cousins (Minnesota) averaged 3.01 seconds

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing/2019/all
 
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