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Tampa Bay Rays moving to Ybor City

I plead ignorance on a lot of the politics and zoning info in the area but I don't see why they wouldn't put the stadium up by Raymond James Stadium. Or leave it where it is. Downtown St. Pete seems to be booming so if they are patient I would think the area will support the team.
 
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I plead ignorance on a lot of the politics and zoning info in the area but I don't see why they wouldn't put the stadium up by Raymond James Stadium. Or leave it where it is. Downtown St. Pete seems to be booming so if they are patient I would think the area will support the team.
Putting it in the Gateway area or at Al Lang in DTSP would have made a ton of sense. St. Pete's got a complete jackhole in the Mayor's office now unfortunately. I still can't believe he got reelected. He probable didn't.
 
In fact Cubans started in Tampa back in the 1885..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Ybor_City


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_immigration_to_the_United_States

I have to believe that the Tampa Cuban sandwich has the far bigger heritage in its Tampa roots over the Miami version.

We will choose to disagree young heretic..;)

My comment was in response to your position that all Cubans came from Europe. You left out a very large segment of the Cuban population.
 
My comment was in response to your position that all Cubans came from Europe. You left out a very large segment of the Cuban population.

That wasn't my assertion that got sidelined by Salami

Funny thing about this Miami vs Tampa Cuban sandwich war...

Another humorous link is serious? but good fun





Naturally as one that has lived in Tampa since 1968 you know what side I am on! LOL
I made a mistake on the type of salami not hard but Genoa
 
Ybor city is a great place for the stadium. It's at the confluence of several freeways (Leroy Selman, I4, I275) Is easily accessible by walking or trolley from Channelside, Harbor Island, Downtown. A quick Uber from South Tampa and Seminole Heights (like $5). Not only that its a great walking neighborhood. Lots of restaurants and bars just steps away from the proposed site. So you can come early to a game or stay after.

Not to mention the people that can pour in from Brandon / Riverview (20 mins), New Tampa / Wesley Chapel (20 mins)

That's one of the problems with the Trop now, it's in crap area. That is also the problem with the area around RayJay now, before / after the game there isn't anything around there.

The better and more popular stadiums are the ones that are down in it. Look to Atlanta's new stadium as an example. Its surrounded by dining and entertainment options.

The Trop is a pain to get to for anyone who doesn't live right there. If you are going to have anything to drink just add a $50+ uber ride to the bill... each way.

Although I disagree with Govt funding these stadiums from a philosophical level, those sneaky bastards always find a way.
 
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Actually, the area around Tropicana Field is booming. There are high crime areas to the south and southwest but in all other directions it is very different than a few years ago. The bars and restaurants east of Tropicana on Central are as good if not a lot better than anything near the Ybor site.
 
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Actually, the area around Tropicana Field is booming. There are high crime areas to the south and southwest but in all other directions it is very different than a few years ago.
The area around the Trop is fine, it’s how far it is away from the majority of the Tampa Bay population that’s the problem.
 
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The area around the Trop is fine, it’s how far it is away from the majority of the Tampa Bay population that’s the problem.

Stu's problem, not the problem for the taxpayers in Hillsborough County. He can pay for the stadium out of his own pocket if so much more revenue can be generated in Ybor.
 
It’s a great place to build and the most logical. Pinellas can’t support the Rays like Tampa can. It’s either Ybor or they move to Charlotte/Nashville. They don’t want to stay in St. Pete.

They likely draw 5k more a night during the week and 7-10k more on weekends in Tampa plus they will have more success selling corporate suites and season tickets.

And if you're a Cuban sandwich snob, then skip them and go for the stuffed potatoes. God, the very thought of those babies has my mouth watering.
 
Poor analogy--- Cuban Bread in Tampa is totally unique to the area and not like the Miami knock off...lol


Why Not? All Cubans came from Southern Europe... Spain or Italy
Home of the best pork products on the planet!
Not sure but I do believe Cubans settled in Tampa long before they began their huge migration to Miami when Castro took over.
Wrong on so many levels.

The Cuban sandwich, also known as the cubano, is a popular meal in south Florida where many Cubans have settled since the early 20th century. These tasty, toasted Cuban sandwiches are definitely Tampa and Miami, Florida’s favorite snack. These treats can be found in most restaurants in these cities, but the best places to buy them are from the street corner-snack bars, called loncherias.


Every Cuban sandwich aficionado believes in their own version of this sandwich. In fact, they are usually passionate about this and will readily debate among themselves the finer point of how to make a Cuban sandwich. No visit to Tampa or Miami would be complete without sampling the cities claim to fame – the Cuban sandwich.


The sandwiches have a submarine-style layering of ham, roast pork, cheese, and pickle between a sliced length of Cuban bread. The key to a great, versus a good, Cuban Sandwich lies in the grilling. A great Cuban sandwich is grilled in a sandwich press (called a plancha) until the ham, pork, and pickles have warmed in their own steam (the steady application of heat and weight fuse the meat, cheese, and bread into a delectable and compact treat). One of the greatest sins in Cuban sandwich preparation is too light a press. A heavy hand on the press pushes all the juices and flavors together while still achieving the desired crunch crust. These sandwiches use no mayonnaise, lettuce, onions, bell peppers, or tomatoes; however, butter and mustard are optional. Cuban sandwiches are sold hot (pressed) or cold (room temperature).

How did the Cuban Sandwich make its way to Florida?


1870s – Since Cuba is only 90 miles from Key West, Florida, many Cubans moved to Key West Florida in the late 1800s to avoid Spanish Rule. The Cuban cigar manufacturers also wanted a safer place to manufacture. There were twenty-nine factories with twenty-one hundred employees producing 171,000 cigars a day in Key West. This marked the beginning of a significant Cuban influence in Key West and the rest of Florida that continues today.

The sandwiches were popular with the Cuban immigrants who worked in cigar factories, selling for 15 cents each. Somewhere in time, Italian Genoa salami was added to the Cuban sandwiches of the Tampa area.

https://whatscookingamerica.net/History/Sandwiches/CubanSandwich.htm
 
If they do end up in Ybor, the Rays should strongly consider changing the name to The Smokers (except the anti-tobacco people will probably lose their schmidts).
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^^^C'mon DFS^^^ Tribe was just about to post that. Quit stealing his thunder.

I’m firmly of the belief that while Cubans were eating ham and cheese sandwiches early on...and that those in Key West added some roast pork to it as they couldn’t get access to sufficient quantities of ham...But a “Cuban” using “Cuban” bread (invented in Tampa) and salami was first created in Tampa. Then just like modern pizza (bread, tomato sauce and topped with mozzarella) was invented in NY and NJ and exported BACK to Italy, the Tampa Cuban went down to Cuba. So in my mind a Tampa Cuban is the only real “Cuban”, the rest are just mixto Sammies masquerading as Cubans.

But I was going to stay out of it this time.
 
I’m firmly of the belief that while Cubans were eating ham and cheese sandwiches early on...and that those in Key West added some roast pork to it as they couldn’t get access to sufficient quantities of ham...But a “Cuban” using “Cuban” bread (invented in Tampa) and salami was first created in Tampa. Then just like modern pizza (bread, tomato sauce and topped with mozzarella) was invented in NY and NJ and exported BACK to Italy, the Tampa Cuban went down to Cuba. So in my mind a Tampa Cuban is the only real “Cuban”, the rest are just mixto Sammies masquerading as Cubans.

But I was going to stay out of it this time.
But you just couldn't help yourself. :Face with Tears of Joy
 
I’m firmly of the belief that while Cubans were eating ham and cheese sandwiches early on...and that those in Key West added some roast pork to it as they couldn’t get access to sufficient quantities of ham...But a “Cuban” using “Cuban” bread (invented in Tampa) and salami was first created in Tampa. Then just like modern pizza (bread, tomato sauce and topped with mozzarella) was invented in NY and NJ and exported BACK to Italy, the Tampa Cuban went down to Cuba. So in my mind a Tampa Cuban is the only real “Cuban”, the rest are just mixto Sammies masquerading as Cubans.

But I was going to stay out of it this time.


Let's just split the middle on this Miami/Tampa debate and make LaBelle the "original home of the Cuban sandwich."
 
I’m firmly of the belief that while Cubans were eating ham and cheese sandwiches early on...and that those in Key West added some roast pork to it as they couldn’t get access to sufficient quantities of ham...But a “Cuban” using “Cuban” bread (invented in Tampa) and salami was first created in Tampa. Then just like modern pizza (bread, tomato sauce and topped with mozzarella) was invented in NY and NJ and exported BACK to Italy, the Tampa Cuban went down to Cuba. So in my mind a Tampa Cuban is the only real “Cuban”, the rest are just mixto Sammies masquerading as Cubans.

But I was going to stay out of it this time.
I will say that Tampa is the originator of the Tampa Cuban but the original was in existence on the island prior to the migration in the late 1870's. According to most first and second generation Cubans I know, the Miami version is closer to that on the island.
 
I will say that Tampa is the originator of the Tampa Cuban but the original was in existence on the island prior to the migration in the late 1870's. According to most first and second generation Cubans I know, the Miami version is closer to that on the island.

Nah, there WAS a ham and pork sandwich but the key ingredient in a “Cuban” is “Cuban bread” and that was invented by a Sicilian in Tampa in the late 1800s. He sold it in a Cuban neighborhood but “Cuban bread” is a Sicilian bread only slightly altered by adding a palm leafs to crease and press the bread. The bakery that invented it burned down in 1902 but it had spread around town and become a staple by that point and La Segunda Bakery in Tampa (the largest bakery of “Cuban bread”) is over 100 years old now.

The original breads from Cuba would have been pan suave/“medianoche” bread, but “Cuban bread” is a Tampa by way of Sicily invention that went back to Cuba by Tampons.

Some people think pizza was invented by the Italians and it was...if you count flatbreads with lard on it and flatbreads with tomato slices on it as pizza. But pizza meaning tomato sauce and gooey melted mozzarella with possibly even more ingredients like pepperoni, then NY and/or NJ invented it. And don’t say “what about margherita” pizza. The original didn’t look like modern versions with the ingredients mixed together, it was a flatbread where one third was topped with basil, one third with mozzarella and one third with tomatoes made out to look like an Italian flag.

Similarly, I grant you that other places had ham and pork sammies, they just weren’t “Cubans” until they were changed by Tampons.
 
Nah, there WAS a ham and pork sandwich but the key ingredient in a “Cuban” is “Cuban bread” and that was invented by a Sicilian in Tampa in the late 1800s. He sold it in a Cuban neighborhood but “Cuban bread” is a Sicilian bread only slightly altered by adding a palm leafs to crease and press the bread. The bakery that invented it burned down in 1902 but it had spread around town and become a staple by that point and La Segunda Bakery in Tampa (the largest bakery of “Cuban bread”) is over 100 years old now.

The original breads from Cuba would have been pan suave/“medianoche” bread, but “Cuban bread” is a Tampa by way of Sicily invention that went back to Cuba by Tampons.

Some people think pizza was invented by the Italians and it was...if you count flatbreads with lard on it and flatbreads with tomato slices on it as pizza. But pizza meaning tomato sauce and gooey melted mozzarella with possibly even more ingredients like pepperoni, then NY and/or NJ invented it. And don’t say “what about margherita” pizza. The original didn’t look like modern versions with the ingredients mixed together, it was a flatbread where one third was topped with basil, one third with mozzarella and one third with tomatoes made out to look like an Italian flag.

Similarly, I grant you that other places had ham and pork sammies, they just weren’t “Cubans” until they were changed by Tampons.
To say that the bread was "invented" in Tampa is a stretch.

1896 – The first bakery, La Joven Francesca Bakery, to bake Cuban bread in Tampa was established by an Sicilan, Francisco Ferlita in 1896. The bakery was a major source of the community’s daily bread with bread selling for 3 and 5 cents a loaf.

It was 1896. To assume that Ferlita came up with a new recipe is certainly arguable.
 
I’m firmly of the belief that while Cubans were eating ham and cheese sandwiches early on...and that those in Key West added some roast pork to it as they couldn’t get access to sufficient quantities of ham...But a “Cuban” using “Cuban” bread (invented in Tampa) and salami was first created in Tampa. Then just like modern pizza (bread, tomato sauce and topped with mozzarella) was invented in NY and NJ and exported BACK to Italy, the Tampa Cuban went down to Cuba. So in my mind a Tampa Cuban is the only real “Cuban”, the rest are just mixto Sammies masquerading as Cubans.

But I was going to stay out of it this time.
We knew you couldn't resist. You're still wrong about the pizza though. The only thing Americans did original with it is sell it by the slice as to go food. It did revitalize the dish back in Italy, but pizza with cheese and tomoto sauce existed in Italy long before it did here. It was only one option, but it was an option.
 
Wrong on so many levels.

The Cuban sandwich, also known as the cubano, is a popular meal in south Florida where many Cubans have settled since the early 20th century. These tasty, toasted Cuban sandwiches are definitely Tampa and Miami, Florida’s favorite snack. These treats can be found in most restaurants in these cities, but the best places to buy them are from the street corner-snack bars, called loncherias.


Every Cuban sandwich aficionado believes in their own version of this sandwich. In fact, they are usually passionate about this and will readily debate among themselves the finer point of how to make a Cuban sandwich. No visit to Tampa or Miami would be complete without sampling the cities claim to fame – the Cuban sandwich.


The sandwiches have a submarine-style layering of ham, roast pork, cheese, and pickle between a sliced length of Cuban bread. The key to a great, versus a good, Cuban Sandwich lies in the grilling. A great Cuban sandwich is grilled in a sandwich press (called a plancha) until the ham, pork, and pickles have warmed in their own steam (the steady application of heat and weight fuse the meat, cheese, and bread into a delectable and compact treat). One of the greatest sins in Cuban sandwich preparation is too light a press. A heavy hand on the press pushes all the juices and flavors together while still achieving the desired crunch crust. These sandwiches use no mayonnaise, lettuce, onions, bell peppers, or tomatoes; however, butter and mustard are optional. Cuban sandwiches are sold hot (pressed) or cold (room temperature).

How did the Cuban Sandwich make its way to Florida?


1870s – Since Cuba is only 90 miles from Key West, Florida, many Cubans moved to Key West Florida in the late 1800s to avoid Spanish Rule. The Cuban cigar manufacturers also wanted a safer place to manufacture. There were twenty-nine factories with twenty-one hundred employees producing 171,000 cigars a day in Key West. This marked the beginning of a significant Cuban influence in Key West and the rest of Florida that continues today.

The sandwiches were popular with the Cuban immigrants who worked in cigar factories, selling for 15 cents each. Somewhere in time, Italian Genoa salami was added to the Cuban sandwiches of the Tampa area.

https://whatscookingamerica.net/History/Sandwiches/CubanSandwich.htm
I have had both prefer the Tampa Cuban sandwich.. prefer it not being pressed... Isn't that the way the majority of Miami Cubans are done?

The bread and the Genoa Salami add the finishing touch. Lettuce and Tomato YECH! That ain't the CUBAN I am eating.


When you go to tomato lettuce and onion you are now making an Italian Sub or Grinder minus the Cuban style pork.. Not the Tampa Cuban I was raised on....
 
To say that the bread was "invented" in Tampa is a stretch.

1896 – The first bakery, La Joven Francesca Bakery, to bake Cuban bread in Tampa was established by an Sicilan, Francisco Ferlita in 1896. The bakery was a major source of the community’s daily bread with bread selling for 3 and 5 cents a loaf.

It was 1896. To assume that Ferlita came up with a new recipe is certainly arguable.


If you can't tell the difference between Tampa Cuban bread and Miami's I really have no answer. They are different.
 
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I have had both prefer the Tampa Cuban sandwich.. prefer it not being pressed... Isn't that the way the majority of Miami Cubans are done?

The bread and the Genoa Salami add the finishing touch. Lettuce and Tomato YECH! That ain't the CUBAN I am eating.


When you go to tomato lettuce and onion you are now making an Italian Sub or Grinder minus the Cuban style pork.. Not the Tampa Cuban I was raised on....
While it's. It traditional. It actually is pretty darn good to add the lettuce and tomato. Just do it after it's pressed.
 
While it's. It traditional. It actually is pretty darn good to add the lettuce and tomato. Just do it after it's pressed.

I love lettuce, tomato, and onion on 4 meat and provolone Italian with oregano,oil and pinch of red wine vinegar. Italian bread

Not a big fan of pressed Cubans .... about a 1 to 5/10 ratio.


My ex wife always preferred the pressed. Son and I prefer the regular traditional Tampa Cuban not pressed. Oh and another heresy!:eek: Turkey on a Cuban...o_O lol

oh and adding tomato onion and lettuce does present the same problem with an Italian which I prefer heated with those things put on later. hard to do with a pressed NO?
 
I love lettuce, tomato, and onion on 4 meat and provolone Italian with oregano,oil and pinch of red wine vinegar. Italian bread

Not a big fan of pressed Cubans .... about a 1 to 5/10 ratio.


My ex wife always preferred the pressed. Son and I prefer the regular traditional Tampa Cuban not pressed. Oh and another heresy!:eek: Turkey on a Cuban...o_O lol

oh and adding tomato onion and lettuce does present the same problem with an Italian which I prefer heated with those things put on later. hard to do with a pressed NO?
There's a little stop and rob just outside downtown st Pete that does a good pressed Cuban. I saw someone get it dressed and tried it out and liked it. They do press it first and then open it back up and add the garden. It's a bit messy, but does taste delicious. They also do a good Italian and cheesesteak as well.
 
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I went to a game there in November and liked the stadium. It did seem a little small compared to other venues I have attended.
 
Roast beef po'boy with debris on original Leidenheimer bread is a much better sandwich

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This description of a po boy is brought to you by the department of redundancy department.

But yes, the po boy is just as good or better than a pork based Cuban with pork in it.
 
The argument has been solved by the great authority on American cuisine, Arby's.
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Which is why the Tampa Cuban is so unique and can't be copied because of the special Cuban bread only found in the Tampa Bay area. Arby chose the easy way out which to me just looks like a ham and cheese on a soft roll compared to one on Rye bread which is better IMO.

Keep up the good work TC Nole OX
 
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