I have friends at State DSS types. Imagine what they don’t tell you. Everything is compartmentalized so even those in the know don’t really know it all. Gone are the days pre WW2 where everyone was indoced to a program.
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How so? A little passive aggressive in some cases but it’s mild. Very civil in my mind.
Every opinion should be heard but that in itself doesn't validate that opinion. Some are just stupid and uninformed.
Cold war. Even those investigating certain phenomena were not taken as a team to investigate, they were taken individually, and had no idea if any of their team members had been taken to the site.
Yep, that was constructive. Which is why we have the Ignore button. Bye indeed.
I haven't seen a lack of civility especially compared to HROT. Discussions should have two sides to them otherwise they're boring as hell.
The arrogance of the Harvard crowd is perhaps best understood by people who actually employ them.
Some of them can solve Pi, but most of them have severe limitations on their ability to effectively interface with others. It’s actually pretty funny.
We might have different understandings of the meaning of “valid” and of the ramifications of watering that down.
val·id
/ˈvaləd/
adjective
- (of an argument or point) having a sound basis in logic or fact; reasonable or cogent.
"a valid criticism"
The treatment opinions of the board-certified heart specialist, your excellent plumber who didn’t choose college and has no direct experience but did read a book about cardiologists on the take from big pharma, your anti-vax chiropractor with the great meme game and your wife’s fortune-teller…. all 4 of their opinions are equally valid too?
The lack of civility was there, you just ignored it.
That you consider yourself such an exemplary arbiter of “ability to effectively interface with others” is also pretty funny, right?
That whole us-against-them-elitists, anti-higher-education populism on steroids thing surely plays well to the peanut gallery on sports message boards, and that approval can be seductive… it can even gin up the crowds and get folks elected.
But I’m not convinced it’s the smartest path to optimizing our global competitiveness, pandemic preparedness, life expectancies, ecological health and survival, etc.
Very good post. You could easily argue we created the Viet Cong.... the OSS (pre-cursor to the CIA) was supplying the Ho Chi Minh and his Viet Minh to fight against Japan during its occupation of Indochina. And they were well prepared for the not so wise decision of the French to return to their pre-war colonies.
As for the MIAs, your well on point. There is an abundance of evidence that more than suggests the U.S. government left soldiers behind and it deserves far more investigation than has been addressed. But to say that will get you called a "tin foil head" or conspiracy theorist. That's the point I was trying to make; we're getting to a point where rational questioning of the gov't is seen as wacko because its being merged with some of the outlandish theories that has always been floating around; which IMO, is the goal.
It’s still an opinion. If it’s valid or should be followed is your call. Who decides what’s valid? Should those considered invalid be silenced? Things aren’t always as cut and dry as your extreme example.
It’s like flat earth theory. I think it’s crazy and outlandish but it’s still someone’s belief or opinion and they should be able to have it. And what about religion? How does that fit?
Everyone is entitled to their opinion but not everyone is entitled to be right.
I remember when we kids would hear things from grownups and my parents would just say “Mr. or Miss So and So just have their own outlook” and sort of roll their eyes or shake their heads when we got home. They left it at that and we learned by their example that you don’t need to be rude or confrontational; you just nod your head and go on with life.
I readily admit that the current atmosphere has made me more “push back” especially on other boards with those who have a different POV and who feel a need to make personal attacks on me (and others) who don’t align with their views.
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Where did I say anything about anybody being silenced?
It’s bizarre how frequently those who want fringe and otherwise less credible “opinions” to be given equal weight or amplification for some reason seem to think the pushback those less grounded views receive = “silencing” them.
Being challenged and called on one’s BS is not silencing or any freedom of speech issue. It sure seems to be what many would mock as a “snowflake” take for anyone to recoil at provocative takes provoking negative responses, especially when they can be refuted and debunked with better sourced and reasoned rationale.
And if the public safety stakes are sufficient, and/or the brand integrity of a private enterprise social network is at risk, then fact checker warning labels and the like make sense to me. Violations of terms and conditions that users agree to should also be enforced, even if that means removing prohibited content and/or the violator.
Seems like many don’t understand what “silencing” actually means, or perhaps its hyperbolic overuse by those who don’t like being called on BS has neutered its meaning.
Yep. LMAO. His last two posts are just classic. I marvel that people think that way; must be quite a insulated world he lives in. LOL his last two posts are proving the point your making.
You’re right, I forgot I should be ashamed of my FSU and Harvard degrees. Academic achievement is bad. Exposing oneself to any world beyond the southeast US is bad. Duly noted.
The knock on folks from the Southeast is not needed.
^^^LMFAO. Pure comedy. (that’s how it’s done, right?)
Why not try refuting the actual post content, if that’s within your skill set, vs continuing to obsess over the poster for whom you have such a creepy Hannibal Lecter fixation?
Father was in the Air Force. We were in Japan 1958-1961. He was an early advisor (1960-61) into Vietnam. They were planning logistics for airstrips and army bases back then. We had advisors in Vietnam doing war planning under Eisenhower too. He told me about this as far back as I can remember.
Not sure how to interpret an emoticon response to a substantive conversation. Do you feel that when your or others' takes are challenged, you/they are being "silenced" or you are somehow being prevented from being heard?
That sure seems to be what you have suggested, but please let me know if that's not what you meant, and what your objection to being challenged/refuted actually is.
Thanks.
Not at all. Challenged or disagreed with is good. Like I said all opinions have merit even yours. We can have those opinions because we live in a free society. When I say silence I mean it in general terms not exactly as it pertains to this conversation.
Anyway, we likely wont agree on this subject and that’s fine. I’m ok with it.
If I'm not mistaken, it seems we probably have a difference in interpretation of what that word "valid" means.
It appears that "equally valid" to you means all opinions merit being heard (and I don't disagree with being open to hearing all opinions, although I'm probably comfortable with more public safety and private TOS types of exceptions than you.)
But per most dictionary definitions I've seen, that "valid" word also pertains to how well grounded in fact and sound reasoning each opinion is, and for that reason, I do not believe that all opinions are indeed "equally valid".
If we are being honest, very few of us are genuinely that open to all views being "equally valid" when seeking professional counsel about things that significantly impact our own lives - we don't ask the cat lady next door, if she has never owned or serviced a vehicle, how we should fix our transmission.
All the challenges we face every day in determining which sources and alleged facts are truly more credible than others don't change the fact that some opinions should indeed carry more weight than others.
Might seem nitpicky, but since that disconnect in what "valid" entails causes so many proponents of outlier opinions to claim those views are being "silenced", it's a pretty big obstacle to productive conversations about anything important.
Facts. Facts decide what is valid. Flat earth theory isn't valid because it's factually inaccurate. Anyone who believes in it should be treated like you would treat any other adult that believes in other make believe things like the easter bunny, santa claus, or that the election was stolen.
Talk about a lack of civility or maybe awareness. Probably both.
LMAO. As opposed to what? calling me Hannibal Lector, a fictional homicidal psychopath who is also a cannibal... or another poster in this thread inferring that my mother is a prostitute? (who happens to be dead, by the way).... and I'm the one lacking civility... Yeah, Okay.
^^^^^LMFAO. Pure comedy.
You sure were the model of civility prior to that Hannibal Lecter reference, right?
Please seek help.
In before the lock. Remember when it was called the Wuhan Flu? Thoughts that a lab, that the US helped fund, created the virus? Those who worked in the lab were quickly dead and swept about by China government. Social Media censored any discussion. Lancelot is a source.
I either never knew or totally forgot why Lancelot was called “the Ill Made Knight”.
Now it makes sense, with him being Covid patient zero.
Thanks.
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You do know I have access to your warning history, right? Snowflake describes you to a tee.
Absolutely. The French begged for our help during their colonial war, and we jumped in, in order to prevent the spread of communism. That was our thinking back then.
LMAO. No more a snowflake than you are, considering the posts you banned me over, or gave me warnings for, like: excessive criticism of Rick Tricket and "___k Miami". [expletive deleted in my original post also, LOL].
I thought the new boards would be moderated without personal bias and rules enforced equally.... guess not, huh? Hey, its all good.
Plus ca change, Plus c'est la meme chose
Carry on my good man.
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