You just have to trust him and his colleagues. HUGE SWATHS…HUGE!
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You just have to trust him and his colleagues. HUGE SWATHS…HUGE!
What exactly are you trying to communicate here? Is it that in some super bizarre competition you’ve created for yuks, people who were fortunate enough to be born with the gender assignment that aligns with their gender identity (ie the vast majority of us) and therefore don’t have to hear supposedly mature adults cheering each other on for mocking them as “freaks” tend to be happier, suffer less trauma, commit suicide less frequently, etc than our fellow humans who weren’t/aren’t so fortunate?Given your academic background, you probably know how the social sciences show people with his religious beliefs and how they fare vs. transgender people.
It's not even close actually: people that practice a religion are happier, live longer, have lower suicide rates, less depression and less anxiety compared to transgender people by a lot.
Just saying.
That’s certainly what it sounds like.
So what? That’s to be expected, given the way so many “nonjudgmental people of faith” and others treat those “freaks”, including cheering on the proud mockers, right?
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Big difference between those who are “religious” and those who have faith. Some of the worst people I have ever met cloak themselves in their religious “beliefs”. I’d rather a person that walks the walk rather than just talks a good game.
It's absolutely true.
80% of Americans do not attend weekly religious services anymore. And most Americans do not belong to a house of worship. Religious Americans are a minority.
America is a majority secular country now.
Church attendance of Americans 2022 | Statista
According to a 2022 survey, 31 percent of Americans never attend church or synagogue, compared to 20 percent of Americans who attend every week.
www.statista.com
U.S. Church Membership Falls Below Majority for First Time
For the first time in Gallup's polling history, less than half of U.S. adults report belonging to a church, synagogue or mosque.
news.gallup.com
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It's social science. I'm not mocking anyone or calling names. You're making inaccurate claims.
I'm merely stating the social sciences, which conflict with what BrainVision said about the harms of religious beliefs.
Religious beliefs are GOOD for people's mental health even though our secular culture says the opposite.
Regularly attending religious services associated with lower risk of deaths of despair
People who attended religious services at least once a week were significantly less likely to die from “deaths of despair.”
Are religious people happier, healthier? Our new global study explores this question
In many countries, actively religious people are more likely than their less-religious peers to describe themselves as very happy.
www.pewresearch.org
Science Says: Religion Is Good For Your Health
Theologists, scientists and thought leaders have attempted for centuries to understand the impact that religion can have on human beings; both mentally and physically. And, there is ample reason to believe that faith in a higher power is associated with health, and in a positive way.
www.google.com
I look forward to you posting any data that discredits brainvision’s commentary about the harm caused to others, namely to the marginalized communities being mocked and dismissed. You’re arguing something (self-contentment) that’s irrelevant to his commentary.It's social science. I'm not mocking anyone or calling names. You're making inaccurate claims.
I'm merely stating the social sciences, which conflict with what BrainVision said about the harms of religious beliefs.
Religious beliefs are GOOD for people's mental health even though our secular culture says the opposite.
Are religious people happier, healthier? Our new global study explores this question
In many countries, actively religious people are more likely than their less-religious peers to describe themselves as very happy.
Science Says: Religion Is Good For Your Health
Theologists, scientists and thought leaders have attempted for centuries to understand the impact that religion can have on human beings; both mentally and physically. And, there is ample reason to believe that faith in a higher power is associated with health, and in a positive way.
I never claimed otherwise. I don't support mocking or dismissing others.
He brought up religious beliefs so I thought I'd show the other side of the coin that our majority secular culture dismisses.
I guess it’s wonderful that religious folks can boost their self-contentment via church attendance, no matter how much harm results from the manner in which so many of them weaponize their doctrine to tamp down others’ happiness, while citing their religion as unassailable justification for doing so.I never claimed otherwise. I don't support mocking or dismissing others.
He brought up religious beliefs so I thought I'd show the other side of the coin that our majority secular culture dismisses.
Whatever you were trying to prove, Mazel tov on that.
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It absolutely causes harm. Go see again the Lia Thomas canonization. Nomination for woman of the Year. Who does that harm? For starters every female that competes an athletics.
Yeh, probably not based on anything that we see every day in every town in America and beyond. My bad. Carry on.
It's quite easy to flip that script and talk about weaponizing transgender and a proclaiming your unassailable justifications for doing so. It's done every day in the media.
How can you see that much personally?
You can only see a distorted picture from our atheist culture.
Hey, if you wanna use that one issue, the trans in sports complexity (which I don’t weigh in on since I don’t know what the best approach is there) as justification for the “freaks” mocking and dismissal that is regularly voiced and rewarded in all these threads, you go right on supporting that mistreatment of our fellow humans. I won’t be joining you nor applauding or agreeing with you.
Please explain (beyond the one sports thing that keeps being dragged out again and again) exactly how trans people not being mocked and dismissed harms you.
A) I have family members and friends who’ve been directly and indirectly harmed by the widespread daily promotion of very narrow-minded, rules-bound, anti-science dogma in the name of unassailable religious beliefs (and no, I’m not saying everything about religion is bad, since many aspects are wonderful),
and
B) why would you think anybody has to see or experience harm personally in order to pay attention to what’s going on in our world, to actually listen to others rather than dismissing/mocking them and to have genuine empathy (and members of the majority can save their heart rending grievances about how they’re dismissed… those who oppress don’t deserve the same empathy in my book as the oppressed, once they’ve made their true colors clear)
A.) How many family and friends are you talking about? 5? 10? 100? I bet it's a small sample size.
B.) Because people get their views from news sources, which are severely slanted today, on all sides. You made some sweeping generalizations about large groups of people.
Have a nice weekend.
I’ll be sure to compile a list for your evaluation so that you can determine if my aversion to the weaponization of religious dogma is warranted. Will get right on that.
I do believe you're stereotyping. It's common in our atheist/secular country.
No harm taken.
It’s all probably just some meritless heathen propaganda I fell victim to.I do believe you're stereotyping. It's common in our atheist/secular country.
No harm taken.
Or maybe not…
More White Americans adopted than shed evangelical label during Trump presidency, especially his supporters
A new analysis of survey data finds that there has been no large-scale departure from evangelicalism among White Americans.
www.pewresearch.org
It’s all probably just some meritless heathen propaganda I fell victim to.
Or maybe not…
More White Americans adopted than shed evangelical label during Trump presidency, especially his supporters
A new analysis of survey data finds that there has been no large-scale departure from evangelicalism among White Americans.
Evangelicals are a small minority. Atheists are the majority in America.
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Unless you bizarrely categorize all Christians who don't attend church as "atheists", which would be a novel definition of that label that you should probably submit to Webster, no, atheists are most definitely NOT the majority in America. (and even if you included all agnostic folk, I don't think you'd get to a majority of Americans.)Evangelicals are a small minority. Atheists are the majority in America.
It is sad how ANYONE can support Trump. That we can agree on.
Last I checked, more than 60% of Americans self-identify with some form of Christianity. Not atheism, the rejection of the possibility of God.
Definition of ATHEISM
a lack of belief or a strong disbelief in the existence of a god or any gods; a philosophical or religious position characterized by disbelief in the existence of a god or any gods; godlessness especially in conduct : ungodliness, wickedness… See the full definition
www.merriam-webster.com
Christians who choose not to attend church are not "atheists". Agnostic folks like me who only occasionally attend synagogue, or church, or mosque, or any other religious gathering place also are not atheists.
Where do you come up with this stuff?
About Three-in-Ten U.S. Adults Are Now Religiously Unaffiliated
Self-identified Christians make up 63% of the U.S. population in 2021, down from 75% a decade ago.
www.pewresearch.org
Secularism is not atheism. A new book explains why the distinction is so critical.
(RNS) — At its core, secularism is an approach to governance, writes Jacques Berlinerblau in his new book ‘Secularism: The Basics.’ And critically, it is one many religious people, not just atheists and agnostics, support.
religionnews.com
Atheists are indeed the majority of Americans under age 60.
Agnosticism is really atheism. Atheism is the lack of belief in God. That includes agnostics who do not believe in God.
If you don't believe in God, you're an atheist.
Americans can self identify via a phone poll whatever they want but the fact that 80% of Americans don't attend ANY religious service weekly and the widespread hostility to religion in America leads me to the conclusion that we are an atheist country now.
It's impossible to prove completely but I think it's an accurate assessment given these reasons.
(I'm an ex-atheist so I lived in that world for years.)
Agnosticism is really atheism. Atheism is the lack of belief in God. That includes agnostics who do not believe in God.
If you don't believe in God, you're an atheist.
Americans can self identify via a phone poll whatever they want but the fact that 80% of Americans don't attend ANY religious service weekly and the widespread hostility to religion in America leads me to the conclusion that we are an atheist country now.
It's impossible to prove completely but I think it's an accurate assessment given these reasons.
(I'm an ex-atheist so I lived in that world for years.)
I guess demographic data can be whatever you want it to be if you create your own labels. Godspeed.
Kind of like gender with transgenderism.
This is what atheism means. It's MOST Americans under age 60, IMO.
noun: atheism
- disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.
Nope, not at all like the gender discussion, but no need to go down that rabbit hole again.Kind of like gender with transgenderism.
This is what atheism means. It's MOST Americans under age 60, IMO.
noun: atheism
- disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.
And you selectively excerpted one line that does not actually extend atheism to including every person with the slightest doubts about the existence of God or gods. You might want to include the rest of that definition, including:
atheism
noun
athe·ism ˈā-thē-ˌiz-əm
: the belief that there is no God
Even if you expand your category to include ALL atheists AND agnostics (separate groups by prevailing definition, but let's include them together for your benefit), please share any actual data from a reliable source that shows that to be > 50% of all Americans.
If you're expanding this group even further to include anybody who doesn't attend religious services a minimum of X times per Y time period, then spell it out.
It's impossible for anyone to read the minds of every American so I estimated it.
That's about the best anyone can do on this issue, IMO.
I think it's just a fact that Christians are a minority in America now.
80% of Americans do not attend Church weekly. Churches are closing down.
So are you a believer in the whole "everybody's opinion is equally valid" populism on steroids thing even when those hunches are put up against legit research by legit research firms that don't just go by gut?
Yes, I've been directly involved in the survey world before and totally get that poll results are super dubious when it comes to religion and politics and other sensitive matters, but legit research firms do know how to control for those known pitfalls, and if legit research firms like Pew are off, they don't tend to be off by crazy orders of magnitude. Their data is not anywhere close to supporting your "it's just fact" opinions. Atheists most definitely do NOT represent the majority in America, unless and until you extend atheists to include every single person who doesn't go to church as many times as your arbitrary qualifier or who doesn't believe in God strongly enough to satisfy your peculiar requirements. But I guess you're free to believe whatever unsupported hyperbole you prefer, and then even to state it as "just a fact".
Pew Research - Bias and Credibility
LEAST BIASED These sources have minimal bias and use very few loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using an appeal to emotion
mediabiasfactcheck.com
So are you a believer in the whole "everybody's opinion is equally valid" populism on steroids thing even when those hunches are put up against legit research by legit research firms that don't just go by gut?
Yes, I've been directly involved in the survey world before and totally get that poll results are super dubious when it comes to religion and politics and other sensitive matters, but legit research firms do know how to control for those known pitfalls, and if legit research firms like Pew are off, they don't tend to be off by crazy orders of magnitude. Their data is not anywhere close to supporting your "it's just fact" opinions. Atheists most definitely do NOT represent the majority in America, unless and until you extend atheists to include every single person who doesn't go to church as many times as your arbitrary qualifier or who doesn't believe in God strongly enough to satisfy your peculiar requirements. But I guess you're free to believe whatever unsupported hyperbole you prefer, and then even to state it as "just a fact".
Good night.Pew Research - Bias and Credibility
LEAST BIASED These sources have minimal bias and use very few loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using an appeal to emotion
If America isn't atheist now, she's well on her way.
If trends continue, we'll be majority atheist in a decade or two.
I think America is atheist majority NOW among the under 60 generation but it's difficult to prove.
Have a nice evening.
Complexity? Does deciding whether or not a male should walk around full frontal nudity fully intact with his dong hanging out in a female locker room a complex decision?
Is it a complex decision on whether a mediocre male swimmer can declare himself female and beat legitimate women who have trained their whole lives?
That somebody thinks this complex is indicative of how screwed up the thinking of Lia's proponents are.
It's like a supreme Court Justice being unable to define a woman.
Sports it's just one area where this stuff goes on. But it's easily the most measurable with some of the clearest examples.
Even Martina Navratilova is against it. But she's no longer Orthodox.
Martina Navratilova backs ban for trans athletes in women's events
The 66-year-old, who recently confirmed she had beaten breast and throat cancer, said the world is 'finally waking up' and hopes that other sports will follow suit.
www.dailymail.co.uk
Hasn't harmed me personally but it's harmed a lot of female athletes.
So other than in the sports realm, you don’t buy into the notion that trans folks should have their reality mocked or dismissed or otherwise diminished, and their right to enjoy their lives just as you and I do isn’t harming you or forcing anything down your throat. I’m glad you’re at least more empathetic to their struggles and their rights outside of the sports arena.
Funny how the ultra-feminists (Hilary Clinton, Oprah and Gloria Steinem, among many others) remain silent while real female athletes are completely trampled by the trans-“competitors.” I guess they activate only on select issues.
So what is the current trans population in the USA? What % of the overall American population is trans?
I don't think I've ever seen Brain get this upset about a thread. Someone hit a raw nerve on this one.
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You admit, finally, that your stance on the percentage of atheist in the country is just your opinion based on your definition of atheism.Kind of like gender with transgenderism.
This is what atheism means. It's MOST Americans under age 60, IMO.
noun: atheism
- disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.
Does the U.S. have more trans people, atheists, or illegal immigrants?
Which group is growing the fastest?
What does that have to to with the topic at hand?
