The Unvacionated
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Flu shots are a guess at what will work that particular year. Its wrong more than right. I probably got 20 straight flu shots and continually got the flu. Once I didn't have to get them I stopped. Never got the flu again.
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Its not mocking. Don't be a baby. This board is more fun without the babies. Your up to 5 already, 1 more this year and 2 in 24 will get you to 8. He's not that far off really.It is.
He exaggerated the number of boosters.
You guys aren't geniuses. It's OK.
Didn't you start a thread about dropping your phone in the toilet and stealing creamers from 7-11? You shouldn't comment on other folks intellectual abilities. Just saying.It is.
He exaggerated the number of boosters.
You guys aren't geniuses. It's OK.
Not really. You can have lots of knowledge about a subject and not believe any of it. You can also think you know a lot about something and really only have some of the facts. Those are the real dangerous ones.
Too many people relying on their tribe’s view or what their buddy’s at the country club would think of them. Not sure how or why this all got so complicated.
Wow!
Dude your wanting to pick a fight over that?
I stand by my opinion
Let’s see how many you have by then ok
I don’t actually give a crap if you have or have not gotten vaccinated,
Here’s a new opinion for you, I’ve noticed you take a stand on things such as Catholics doctrine, vaccines, boosters, and if someone doesn’t agree with your position you absolutely go to guns in defense of your opinion
And you never respect another person’s opinion
My opinion is that it sucks!
You are right, but where is the admittance or humility from those that made demands on us? And in several cases they knowingly lied about the science or even made up stuff where there was no science...........6 ft rule and shelter at home.
Where is the admittance or humility from any talking head or public figure when they constantly get things wrong? If no one is consuming their opinions it really doesn’t matter. Sadly too many people drink the sand.
Interesting that publicly mocking the COVID-19 vaccine wasn't always "dangerous":
Deaths per million vaccinations in the US:
Covid 35.6
Influenza .3 (2.6 Billion shots in the last 16 years resulted in 771 deaths)
MMR .4
DTAP + IPV + HIB + HEP b 6.1 (highest mortality rate outside of Covid)
CDC scientist generally agree the risk of death from a single vaccination is around 1 (per million).
How you adjudicate that risk is up to you.
The original 2 series did work well in a mostly unprotected population with regards to hospitalization/death. (average death age 79+). And there was a 1 in 1500 to 1 in 6000 (depending on which study you looked at) chance of myocarditis in 15-28 year old males. How that plays itself out over the decades is unknown. There are several known deaths in healthy teenage boys from the vaccination. (The second does had the highest vax injury rate).
The argument made by many, including several European countries is that the risk of myocarditis in the young from the vaccination is higher than the risks of getting Covid, so therefore it fails the basic safety rules of medical interventions.
Again, you can interpret that as you wish.
Unfortunately, honesty isn't a part of vaccine education and as such the individual wasn't allowed the opportunity to make a decision on the risks outlined above.
Lastly, there is little evidence of lower incidence of hospitalization/death from any of the boosters including the bi-variant. And the antibody boost lasts for less than 2 months in most folks, less than 1 month in the older/sicker cohort.
Had to dig through all the propaganda to find anything. I'm sure you'll attack the source anyway:
So it was one side spouting off falsehoods? Everywhere you turned you could find a different narrative depending on who you wanted to listen to.
I am thrilled that the previous administration poured billions into fast tracking a life saving vaccine. Just as I am grateful to the current one for playing a roll in making it available. That’s about as deep politically I see this thing. Sadly this became all about politics and very little about medicine.
I agree there was a lot of BS being spread.. but we were also lied to along the way.. and made to believe we were killing our grandmothers because we didn’t want to take the shot..
Then those same people tried to tell us that they never said that it stopped you from getting Covid and that it stopped you from spreading it..
That’s why I was saying in an earlier post, that politicians and government officials and news anchors pretend that we don’t have the ability to go back and listen to what they said
So if I’m being lied to in this instance, what else are they lying to me about?
Funny that I don’t feel lied to. I think Fauci was talking out of his arse and lost my attention early on. I also think with a novel virus and a novel vaccine there are going to be uncertainties and realizations that only are clear after time and trial. I keep using the term “drinking the sand”. My belief is that too many people were and still are listening to people who should play no role in your healthcare decisions. We blocked out the clutter early on and listened to the professionals who we trust with our lives. I’m not interested in what Tom Hanks or a pillow salesman have to say in that regard.
Totally agree with you on the Tom Hanks and pillow salesman’s.
But what was blasted all over tv and news stations from a lot of doctors and talking heads, were matter of fact.. and you were vilified for questioning it..
Then it turns out… they may not have been as effective as we thought.. yet people lost jobs because of it.
I don’t watch tv news. My personal physician and my kid’s pediatrician are gospel in my house.
I worked with Doctors for years while in the pharmaceutical industry. I can tell you that pet peeve #1 when it came to prescription drugs was the companies advertising their products on tv. It drove Docs NUTS. It gave patients partial facts and led to a lot of unnecessary phone calls, self prescribing and false hope. The same can be said in this case. People should trust their doctor and stop letting an entertainment medium cloud their vision.
Yeah, I’m showing you video and audio proof that they absolutely told us, vaccines stop the spread and you can’t get Covid if you get vaccinated.
You called me a hillbilly moron for pushing lies
The overall message of the medical and scientific community was true, though.
Washing hands, wear masks, socially distance and vaccines all work to save lives. They kept hammering that message every day during the pandemic.
It's not complicated.
Interesting that some are more focused on the “I told you so” than the fact this could happen again at any time and we are still woefully unprepared and dismissive to anything that doesn’t fit a political ideology. It’s really, really bizarre.
How would this happen on a practical level?
What should someone like me do, who is socially conservative but economically liberal?
I don't fit into either box, so to speak.
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I prefer the method that had worked for years when each side balanced the other out. It is just in recent decades that the for-profit media element has embraced that discord and divisiveness is really, really good for business. The only reasonable response to that is people should be careful in what they consume. Or the media goes back to reporting the news instead of framing it's own version.
Opinion | A Surprising Share of Americans Wants to Break Up the Country. Here’s Why They’re Wrong.
The deleterious effects of a breakup would be enormous. A disaggregated United States would be instantly less powerful.
www.politico.com
That's the thing about freedom............people want to be free to force other people to do and think what they want them to. They always think "if only" xyz weren't living here, life would be perfect. Stalin, Hitler, Pol Pot, Mussolini, Castro, etc.; all those historical authoritarians convinced folks to just follow me and all will be well. We can get rid of those folks who don't think like us.
That is, of course, not how it worked out well for folks under those regimes. Turns out that living well means learning to live with others, many of which are different with different ideas. Otherwise you have to spend your time enforcing all those other peoples with other beliefs and it gets you to the final solution..............
Ill bet this was said in countries like Italy, Germany, Russia, Cambodia and others years ago. We dont have balance because its not profitable.
Things are already starting to move. Fox is going more center with releasing their vocal wingers. Same with CNN. Cities once bound to defund police are rethinking their decisions. If the next administration is more center than the last two it will balance out.
This is where I wish something could be done to reel in the media.
That's the million dollar question. Why politicize a global pandemic? Why would CNN want to call it a pandemic before the CDC or WHO? During Ebola which was much smaller there wasn't mixed messages, there wasn't mixed responses. Why this time? It would be easy to say it was all Trumps fault but I think the media was on line even before he was.
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