There are no long term adverse effects of mRNA vaccines
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No other vaccine, that most people are fully comfortable getting, has such an abysmal track record of actually working to prevent infection and spread, by the vaccinated. Certainly not well enough to cause the over the top response against people that have had Covid, or simply don't want to get the vax.
If it worked as well as most of the vaccinations that people have been getting for decades, mumps, measles,... etc, it would be a much easier sell.
The Covid vaccine weakens your immune system theory has been making its rounds on social media and it all stems from some British funeral director.
“There is no truth at all that vaccines weaken the immune system and that this causes death. This suggestion goes against every scientific principle of vaccination.”
Again, no problem at all. I am fine with whatever nonsense you want to believe at this point. My point is completely different.
I thought your point was that someone not vaccinated should not be allowed on a plane... etc. My point is the vaccine doesn't do a good enough job of protecting the vaccinated against infection or transmitting Covid, to justify keeping people from doing anything, regardless of their vaccinated status.
Is there any vaccination that would justify keeping people from "doing anything?" I think that is the more interesting question.............Covid vaccines work very well...........as well as any vaccine, probably better, in the first year of use. The Polio Vaccine, took 18 years to eliminate Polio from the USA. 95% of the IFR and cases of serious measles infections was eliminated before the introduction of the vaccine. It still took 36 years from the time the vaccine was introduced until it eliminated it.
What we are seeing now is a serious novel virus move from pandemic to endemic, which is the normal course for the vast majority of viruses with or without a vaccine. Vaccines are most useful in the endemic stage, keeping the number of infections, hospitalization and deaths under control until it burns out over decades of vaccinations. Expecting vaccinations to stamp out a virus over a year time is nonsensical.
Are you saying that Omicron "endangers others"? It's basically a cold. Your argument would be more compelling if you were talking about the flu....but beyond all of that, people who are vaxxed, boosted and masked are still catching, and spreading, these annoying little Omicron sniffles.
I get your point that it takes years to truly build up enough immunity (vaxxed or infected) to keep most viruses beat down. I received every vaccine known to man in the military, I vaccinated my kids with every recommended/mandated vaccine. Never considered not doing it.
You are a smart guy, and someone who obviously does a lot of research. I respect your thoughts. Do you know what the rate of infection was in the vaccinated, in the early years of those diseases you cited?
He was quoting something from the CDC. If you're a doctor as well, I'll take your word for it.
I'm good. Health is great. Survived COVID once and thriving.
Btw he was vaccinated last year and said after the reaction he had, he wasn't getting anything else.
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How about the many doctors who’ve already debunked this ridiculous nonsense targeted at the gullible and defiant?
Fact Check-COVID-19 vaccines do not weaken people’s immune systems ‘like chemotherapy’
A British funeral director who has previously spread misinformation online has made multiple false claims about COVID-19 vaccines and their side effects in a video shared widely on social media.
mobile.reuters.com
Idk... That article you presented was from December 2021 based on a British funeral director. He was speaking about something he read/heard recently from the CDC.How about the many doctors who’ve already debunked this ridiculous nonsense targeted at the gullible and defiant?
Fact Check-COVID-19 vaccines do not weaken people’s immune systems ‘like chemotherapy’
A British funeral director who has previously spread misinformation online has made multiple false claims about COVID-19 vaccines and their side effects in a video shared widely on social media.
Here's a neat publishing from the German government on how they are fairing.How about the many doctors who’ve already debunked this ridiculous nonsense targeted at the gullible and defiant?
Fact Check-COVID-19 vaccines do not weaken people’s immune systems ‘like chemotherapy’
A British funeral director who has previously spread misinformation online has made multiple false claims about COVID-19 vaccines and their side effects in a video shared widely on social media.
Official German Government data suggests the Fully Vaccinated will develop Acquired Immunodeficiency Syndrome by the end of January 2022
German Government Data for the alleged Omicron variant of Covid-19, suggests that most of the “fully vaccinated” will have full blown Covid-19 vaccine induced acquired immunodeficiency …
dailyexpose.uk
The death numbers are no where close to what was reported. The vaccine helps the person and only the person who receives it.
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Please refrain from posting lunacy like this Daily Expose crap that makes all Noles look lazy and gullible and incapable of doing the simplest fact-checking. Thanks.Here's a neat publishing from the German government on how they are fairing.
Official German Government data suggests the Fully Vaccinated will develop Acquired Immunodeficiency Syndrome by the end of January 2022
German Government Data for the alleged Omicron variant of Covid-19, suggests that most of the “fully vaccinated” will have full blown Covid-19 vaccine induced acquired immunodeficiency …
https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSL1N2TK195
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-daily-expose/?amp=1
You love Reuters don't you. Why don't you stop being lazy and do your own research?
Wait he should do his own peer reviewed clinical trials?
No there are clinical publications to compare and contrast. All data can been reviewed from different sources. I guess you haven't prepared term papers in a long while.
Also, did you read the fact check you provided me? The only thing under reported by the RKI was the unvaccinated count. The large numbers of vaccinated stayed the same. That's no good.
2500 people a day are dying. Even if it is half that number, that is not a cold, or the flu. Yes, I get it that it is people with weaker immune systems or those who are older or who have underlying conditions. But hey, screw them, right? The little girl with cancer at my kids school and is hugely immuno compromised? Screw her too, right. Your argument would be more compelling if you understood that more people have died in the last 2 months than die all year round from the flu.
You like putting words in people's mouths. My wife had cancer so don't speak on something you haven't experienced yourself.
There is no theory. How long do you think we can play God? People like you walk around acting like your holier than thou, hands in the air with a vaccine slip. No one wants to see anyone die a painful/miserable death but nature always wins. We all have loses and have seen it but you want to tell someone "hey screw all these people" in a facetious manner, in turn implying "you don't give a damn about human life". That's poor.
What's poor is deciding not to try. Talk about lazy and wrong.
No one said not to try. But in the same token, not everything is going to be 100% effective.
Polio pre-vaccine almost all children were infected. Less than .5% of cases ended up as paralysis, when the virus moves from the gut to the central nervous system. The CFR (those with paralysis) for polio is 2-5%. Like Covid an asymptomatic person can spread the disease. Polio is the most successful vaccine and it is basically eradicated. It does exist in a couple countries (Afghanistan, Chad, Congo.......but the majority of cases are vaccine derived and not wild.
Measles was the same as it is highly contagious and quickly moved through school children and their families before the vaccination. Most children in the US were infected during childhood. Currently almost all deaths occur in countries where medical care is poor or access to high level medical care is constrained. Most of the deaths are of adults who were unvaccinated and did not get the disease as a child. Severe cases of Measles is highly associated with Vitamin A deficiency and malnutrition. Prior to the vaccination being available in the US there were around 400-500 deaths per year. Fatality rates in the US went from 12 per 100,000 people in 1914 to .2 per 100,000 in 1960 before the vaccination was created and distributed. Hence the fact that over 98% of measles deaths were eliminated prior to the vaccine introduction. After 1963 the fatality rate slowly dropped until it was eliminated in the US. Cases in the US now are almost always started by a person being infected outside of the US. The last measles death in the US was in 2015 of an older, immune suppressed women who had measles as a child. Before that it was in 2003 of another older person.
Your question about infection rates in vaccinated people is a tough one since it isn't tracked and doesn't really make sense. Vaccinations aren't a shield against infection. They allow immune systems to identify a virus much faster, so the virus doesn't have a chance to replicate at a high rate once it enters into the body. That means most people wouldn't have symptoms or if they did wouldn't note them as concerning. However, there are always vaccine derived cases with symptoms and sometimes death.
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I imagine it is easy to be flippant when you have no skin in the game. I have lost two close family members in the last year to covid. The poster you quoted continues to downplay the severity of this thing. I read his posts and then I think of my niece and nephew who lost their 40 year old mom. Comparing this thing to a cold is just flat out ignorant.
The minimal effort it takes to make this thing history seems to be too much for some people. I don’t celebrate that.
We lost two immediate members around Christmas, feel your pain
It would boggle my mind that anyone could possibly disparage Reuters’ credibility while citing the Daily Expose as anything even approximating a credible source, but I’ve read your posts so I’m really not surprised.
Good luck with everything.
I'm not debating that. We live in an age of nasty people all around.
I didn't quote this post...not sure what happened. I just stated that I lost 2 immediate family members at Christmas
Did you watch the full video of Campbell? Because he goes on to explain. The average age of death in the UK is 82.5. And most folks near that age have co-morbidities. So, it would be rare for someone that age to not have co-morbidities listed on the death certificate. It only points out something we know, Covid alone rarely kills healthy individuals, it is when it is combined with other disease processes that it hastens death.
The follow up video: after being critisized by the BBC.
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