Excellent catch, and you’ve just exposed the very real conspiracy where all the countries that aren’t technically countries and which would disprove his “fact” if they were legit countries, have banded together purposefully to get their revenge, disrespecting natural immunity as a way to implant their own nefarious tracking chips into the sheep they are herding into “vaccination centers”. Don’t fall for it.
For my safety, I have refused to enter any building except my own house for the foreseeable future because any building could be a vaccination and reeducation center. Nice try Publix or should I say Fauci's Vaccine 'R Us!!!!
Not sure about all countries as that is fairly broad. However, I do travel to Europe quire a bit and most countries there accept recovery documentation instead of testing or vaccination so long as its within the last 180 days. Even when vaccinated you have to have the second shot within 270 days unless you've had the booster. This standard seems to be the norm moving forward.
Maybe by next year they can have a machine like where you buy scratch offs where you can get your shots/chip implants. You can order Omnicron V1 or 2, Flu shot, Flurona, Long Covid, Delta as a legacy shot, whatever the next variant is or all in one for a reduced price. Unless you have no insurance then its free. Just put your arm up to it and bang there's your monthly shot.
Smart move. Also, if you’re attending a game at the Tuck or Howser or Doak or wherever, and that seemingly nice lady next to you offers you part of her delicious looking Cuban sandwich, do NOT accept, even post-Covid.
Many people forget that whole double negative is a positive thing and miss out on good sandwiches.
True, but in this case they will accept proof that you recovered instead of vaccine or a test.
Sorry I half paying attention when I typed that. I meant they would take a past positive test within a certain time range instead of a vaccine card along with a negative test.
Yup. That seems to be a recent change in many countries. Hopefully they relax the testing requirements entering the US as well. Shot, recovery or recent test.
My friend and I joked it would have been way easier to just have a positive test in the past. We were in London then Iceland. Test before leaving for London. Then had to pay to setup another test in London even though we were leaving for Iceland the day we had to get the test. Then had to get another test in Iceland. Huge pain in the butt.
Clarification Not suggesting that natural immunity is proof of vaccination it certainly is not being that natural immunity comes from catching the virus and surviving. The point is statistically it is not separated from those that have never caught Covid.When you say “facts”, do you actually mean “things I’d like to present as irrefutable truths even when they are not”?
Please provide evidence corroborating your claim that the US is the only country in the world that does not recognize natural immunity.
The actual fact that the UK does not currently accept natural immunity as proof of vaccination status certainly appears (among other examples) to contradict your “fact”.
Excerpt - “Natural immunity
Proof of natural immunity will not be accepted as an alternative to proof of vaccination or a negative COVID test.”
Per -
[Withdrawn] Travel to England from another country – COVID-19 rules
Check if there are any COVID-19 rules in place for travel to England from abroad.www.gov.uk
Thought my response was pretty clear.Clarification Not suggesting that natural immunity is proof of vaccination it certainly is not being that natural immunity comes from catching the virus and surviving. The point is statistically it is not separated from those that have never caught Covid.
Why Doesn't the U.S. Account for Natural Immunity?
Natural infection can boost immunity to COVID-19. But vaccines are standardized, vetted, and a more dependable way to protect populations at this point in the pandemic.www.verywellhealth.com
from one point of the article
But in the United States, immunity status solely hinges on vaccination. There’s no spot on the vaccine card to indicate recovery from a prior infection.
Many countries have draconian rules about Covid.
Do you deny the effectiveness of Natural Immunity for Covid?
UK is doing away with the testing requirement this month as long as you've had the shot. I would think most places go this route. I delayed a trip there until after the 11th to avoid testing on arrival.
A lot of countries do account for that in their travel rules. You can use a previous positive test and recovery for entry. Vax, recovery or test. The US does not allow for that currently.Clarification Not suggesting that natural immunity is proof of vaccination it certainly is not being that natural immunity comes from catching the virus and surviving. The point is statistically it is not separated from those that have never caught Covid.
Why Doesn't the U.S. Account for Natural Immunity?
Natural infection can boost immunity to COVID-19. But vaccines are standardized, vetted, and a more dependable way to protect populations at this point in the pandemic.
from one point of the article
But in the United States, immunity status solely hinges on vaccination. There’s no spot on the vaccine card to indicate recovery from a prior infection.
Many countries have draconian rules about Covid.
Do you deny the effectiveness of Natural Immunity for Covid?
Maybe because it was an irrelevant deflection?
www.nature.com
I'm flying to Costa Rica on Sunday for several days of world class billfishing. No proof of vaccination or negative test required. Most sane people are done playing Covid
A simple yes or no would have sufficed.Maybe because it was an irrelevant deflection?
From my understanding of the prevailing science, the immune response boost provided by vaccination following natural infection is superior to natural infection alone, benefitting each individual person as well as the collective community trying to minimize all the negative impacts of any pandemic. So I'm in favor of doing things that encourage maximum participation in vaccination, whether previously infected or not.
It seems that the future protection provided by natural infection alone is quite variable depending at least to some degree on the specifics of the infection (length, severity, perhaps strain) as well as recency, and each person's own physiology. Of course, the degree of protection provided by vaccination is also variable, but at least we have vax records to prove when we were vaxxed and by what specific dosage of which vaccine, so there's a bit more consistency than when dealing with self-reported natural infection, description of symptoms, etc.
There are also many logistical complexities to determining past infection (if you're not merely relying on the honor system) not the least of which is the higher cost and higher scarcity of FDA-approved antibody tests that haven't already been recalled, and all of which require blood draw to the best of my knowledge.
I'm not against using prior infection as some indicator of probable immunity (which is not limited only to the fighting-off-infection aspect of immunity), as long as it follows the prevailing understanding of the science and is actually practicable, both economically and logistically in whatever real world use for which it is being contemplated.
Here's a great discussion of immunity, and what scientists have learned and continue to learn from our Covid-19 experiences. Unfortunately, it's probably too TLDR, nuanced and complex for most folks on a message board who just want a quick pro or con take they can slap on a meme.
What the Omicron wave is revealing about human immunity
Immunologists have raced to work out how to protect against multiple variants of SARS-CoV-2. Their research has yielded a wealth of insights and a few surprises.
Your ability to read intention has proven similar to the factuality of what you present as "fact". Take care.
Do you mind clarifying what you mean here
I would argue that people should get the vaccine regardless of whether or not they have been infected. Studies show a significant boost in immunity after previously infected people receive just one dose of an mRNA vaccine. This may help to protect against reinfection either now or down the line.
This is from the NIH, pubmed.gov website...
LOL. Which of my assertions does any of this refute and in what way? Answer, none and in no way.
That was a lot of words, that didn't really say a lot. Nothing definite or any numbers that I could see in my quick view.
From the same analysis... "Overall, the total pooled results demonstrated a statistically significant 1.86x enhanced protection by vaccination in COVID-recovered persons, which generally agrees with Gazit et al. (1/.53=1.89x) and Cavanaugh et al. (2.34x), the latter of which was not included in the pooled analysis. Generally, we can conclude that vaccination in the COVID-recovered roughly halves the risk of reinfection, based on our pooled results and individual studies. These studies were relatively short in their follow-up period (<3 months), and therefore longer-term efficacy (>6 months) remains to be seen."
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
You haven't given me a study. I gave you an article from Nature, a scientific journal, that cites 11 of them. If you want the numbers it's all there for you if you want to take the dive. I wasn't giving you "my belief." What I want to believe doesn't matter. It's the way it is according to science.
El OH ElFrom the same analysis... "Overall, the total pooled results demonstrated a statistically significant 1.86x enhanced protection by vaccination in COVID-recovered persons, which generally agrees with Gazit et al. (1/.53=1.89x) and Cavanaugh et al. (2.34x), the latter of which was not included in the pooled analysis. Generally, we can conclude that vaccination in the COVID-recovered roughly halves the risk of reinfection, based on our pooled results and individual studies. These studies were relatively short in their follow-up period (<3 months), and therefore longer-term efficacy (>6 months) remains to be seen."
It's significant to note that they left out Cavanaugh from the pooled results (2.34x stronger protection against reinfection), and also did not address at all the benefits of vaccination following infection regarding risk of hospitalization and/or death in cases of reinfection (possibly due to timing of their analysis... but that's an important set of benefits to leave out.)
Equivalency of Protection From Natural Immunity in COVID-19 Recovered Versus Fully Vaccinated Persons: A Systematic Review and Pooled Analysis - PMC
We present a systematic review and pooled analysis of clinical studies to date that (1) specifically compare the protection of natural immunity in the COVID-recovered versus the efficacy of complete vaccination in the COVID-naive, and (2) the added ...
So apparently you cited an analysis (purposefully without linking the entire thing, so I took care of that for you), in which you found a paragraph you thought was sufficient to prove whatever point you wanted to make, but didn't bother to actually read or make any attempt to evaluate the full contents.
This is not along the same lines. It was a statistical analysis of the chances of reinfection. I'm not knocking what that is. I believe it to be true, but it is not the same as a study of immune system response. That's an entirely different subject (and what I was talking about in my post that you quoted).
Even if added protection against reinfection were the only benefit of improved immune response (we know it isn’t the only benefit), and with none of us knowing what future Covid-19 strains might entail, if I weren’t already vaccinated but had natural immunity from previous infection, heck yeh I’d get vaccinated to double my odds of dodging re-infection. Seems an easy decision.
