Urban Liar ***Updated w/ Poll
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The thing is, is it's not just Urban. Maybe it has always been this way, but the college coaching profession in general just seems like it is made up of a lot of guys who are straight up pieces of shit. Not every coach by any means, but the PSU situation, Michigan state situation, Rick Pitino, Bobby Petrino, Bobby Knight back in the day, and countless others who might be good coaches, but just seem like terrible people.
No joke. The Big 10 in general needs to start laying down some rules. The top people with the Big 10 need to get the AD's and every coach to a meeting next Summer during down time, and flat out tell them if they find any of these types of situations being covered up, they will suspend the entire athletic departments from conference play for a year. That way coaches and athletic directors are accountable if they look the other way. There is no reason that winning games should take precedent over pedophilia or domestic violence.
Not a good talking point if one of the elements in the case is him using intermediaries to convince her not to press charges back in 2009.
"Courtney told McMurphy, however, that she was pressured not to press charges after the 2009 incident by former Ohio State head coach Earle Bruce – Zach's grandfather – and Hiram de Fries, a close friend of Meyer who holds the title of special assistant to the head coach at Ohio State.
Zack Smith spent five years at the University of Florida, working with Meyer. He served as an offensive and special teams graduate assistant for the Gators from 2007 to 2009. He also worked as an offensive and special teams quality control assistant and in recruiting evaluation for UF from 2006 to 2007.
During his time in Gainesville, Florida won two national championships (2006 and 2008) and produced some of the most prolific offenses, not only the Southeastern Conference but in the nation, in terms of scoring offense, yardage per game, and passing efficiency. The Gators also produced some of the top punt team and punt return units in the nation over this period. Florida blocked an impressive 22 kicks since 2006 - the most in college football over that span.
Smith's duties at Florida included game planning and all opponent breakdowns and tendencies, working with wide receivers (2007-08) and quarterbacks (2008-09), assisting with special teams game plan input and all breakdowns (2005-07), evaluating prospective student-athletes, creating and designing a recruiting action plan, in addition to game prep tests and quality control.
A native of Dublin, Ohio, Smith earned a bachelor's of science degree in sports management from Florida in 2007. He is the grandson of College Football Hall of Fame coach Earle Bruce.
During his time in Gainesville, Florida won two national championships (2006 and 2008) and produced some of the most prolific offenses, not only the Southeastern Conference but in the nation, in terms of scoring offense, yardage per game, and passing efficiency. The Gators also produced some of the top punt team and punt return units in the nation over this period. Florida blocked an impressive 22 kicks since 2006 - the most in college football over that span.
Smith's duties at Florida included game planning and all opponent breakdowns and tendencies, working with wide receivers (2007-08) and quarterbacks (2008-09), assisting with special teams game plan input and all breakdowns (2005-07), evaluating prospective student-athletes, creating and designing a recruiting action plan, in addition to game prep tests and quality control.
A native of Dublin, Ohio, Smith earned a bachelor's of science degree in sports management from Florida in 2007. He is the grandson of College Football Hall of Fame coach Earle Bruce.
I don’t like Meyer at all but if all we are talking about is that his wife got texts accusing a coach of a crime I think he’s ok. The serious trouble I see is if they can prove the staff or ath dept pressured her not to press charges.
But working in the legal field I’m a little hesitant to say an employee should be fired for simple allegations.
But working in the legal field I’m a little hesitant to say an employee should be fired for simple allegations.
Dunno...sounds more like he didn’t want to know and didn’t ask too many questions. Talked to the assistant, he denied it and the Meyer figured good enough for me. Sounds like Paterno Part II
Then lied about knowing anything about it.
Not sure that flies in the #metoo era, especially with texts and photos.
Meyer's done. His career is done. This is the last we'll ever hear about Corch Irving Meyers.
Buh-bye.
Buh-bye.
A lot of guilty until proven innocent going on these days.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2013/07/02/aaron-hernandez-tim-tebow-barfight/2483559/
Most everyone knows the coaches protecting Aaron from attempted murder but forget this gem of a story, complete with cameo from the golden boy.
The original incident report lists Tebow only as "Witness 1," but his identity has been verified to USA TODAY Sports by Gainesville Police Department spokesman Ben Tobias and the supplemental report. Tebow, according to the supplemental report, "was concerned that his name would get out to the media as being involved in the incident," and that's why he was anonymously listed as a witness.
The incident took place around 1 a.m. ET on April 28, and Hernandez left the area immediately after the altercation. When a responding officer could not locate him, the officer interviewed Tebow, who said he tried to resolve the problem, according to the supplemental report. Tebow said he urged Hernandez to leave peacefully and tried to make arrangements to pay the bill. Later, when police interviewed Hernandez, Tebow was present.
Taphorn declined immediate medical treatment, but when he was examined the next day by doctors, they discovered that his right ear drum had been broken, an injury that would take four to six weeks to heal, the incident report said.
Curiously, police said Taphorn was adamant about pressing charges when he first spoke to officers, but when police followed up with Taphorn, he told them "that he may request the charges be dropped," an investigator wrote in the supplemental report. He added: "Taphorn did state that he had been contacted by legal staff and coaches with UF and that they may be working on an agreement. However, nothing is finalized."
"I advised him that if this was his final decision that he would have to contact the State Attorney's office," the investigator wrote.
Athough police recommended a felony assault charge against Hernandez, a juvenile at the time, no charge was lodged.
Most everyone knows the coaches protecting Aaron from attempted murder but forget this gem of a story, complete with cameo from the golden boy.
The original incident report lists Tebow only as "Witness 1," but his identity has been verified to USA TODAY Sports by Gainesville Police Department spokesman Ben Tobias and the supplemental report. Tebow, according to the supplemental report, "was concerned that his name would get out to the media as being involved in the incident," and that's why he was anonymously listed as a witness.
The incident took place around 1 a.m. ET on April 28, and Hernandez left the area immediately after the altercation. When a responding officer could not locate him, the officer interviewed Tebow, who said he tried to resolve the problem, according to the supplemental report. Tebow said he urged Hernandez to leave peacefully and tried to make arrangements to pay the bill. Later, when police interviewed Hernandez, Tebow was present.
Taphorn declined immediate medical treatment, but when he was examined the next day by doctors, they discovered that his right ear drum had been broken, an injury that would take four to six weeks to heal, the incident report said.
Curiously, police said Taphorn was adamant about pressing charges when he first spoke to officers, but when police followed up with Taphorn, he told them "that he may request the charges be dropped," an investigator wrote in the supplemental report. He added: "Taphorn did state that he had been contacted by legal staff and coaches with UF and that they may be working on an agreement. However, nothing is finalized."
"I advised him that if this was his final decision that he would have to contact the State Attorney's office," the investigator wrote.
Athough police recommended a felony assault charge against Hernandez, a juvenile at the time, no charge was lodged.
Hahahahaha
Have you read any of the articles about Corch Irving Meyers?
WTF is wrong with you that you would take up for that POS?!
Are you trolling us right now?!?!
READ!
READ the stories. Meyer knew and harbored a serial abuser on his coaching staff!
To clarify my point. Not defending anybody just the process. If there is a legal problem then it should be settled legally, not in the court of public opinion.
I haven’t read all the reports. Just seen the statements where it says his wife got texts. I’ve pointed out in all my posts that if he covered up or lied then that is different. But pointing out that just hearing an allegation without more might not call for his termination. As with politics it’s usually not the deed but cover up that gets you.
If I were a betting man I would bet urban survives. In order for him to go there will have to be a media out cry and seeing how long it took for this story to make it out; I doubt the media pays much attention. osu has gotten away with an awful lot over the years; as many big-10 schools have. Bottom line osu will make some token demonstration of sympathy, try to prove change and compassion. Then it ends. The money men boosters haven't even got involved yet.
A lot more seems to be coming out about this. I can't possibly see how Meyer didnt know. And he already admitted he knew about it in 09, and texts from his wife show that she at least knew in 2015. Apparently the guy would stalk her and things of that nature. He seems like a complete psychopath. If Meyer truly didnt know I think he still needs to be fired for incompetence. With his history at Florida, and now this, at the very least he doesnt know how to vet people and he has a history of bringing psychopaths on a college campus.
I dont think he does survive. In this age with #metoo and all of that, I cant possibly see how over looking a serial abuser on his coaching staff can keep him employed.
Not that it should play into, but the dude was also just like an intern at that time. If we are talking about a top tier coordinator or something, it still wouldnt excuse it by any means, but at least their is a logic behind trying to protect important parts of the team. This dude was a low level coach and nothing more. It makes to sense for him to have risked his career to protect this guy.
The coach is Earle Bruce's grandson, and my guess is that connection is what saved him from being fired, but that is a flimsy reason to keep him around to say the least.
Eh I think many are looking at this from FSU glasses. Don't get me wrong urban is a bad guy; but no one is mentioning the uf issues in the articles. FSU fans know what a piece of garbage urban is; most of the rest of the country doesn't. Heck espn hired the dude when he was just a guy trying to be with his family. I just think to many are thinking the media will put this story out there and pressure will mount. urban was asked a about this over a week ago and this is just getting out.
WEll the first incident happened at UF, and that is absolutely being mentioned.
It is just getting out because the guy who broke it just talked to the woman. These stories arent easy to cover, because quite simply, if the victim doesnt want it to be reported, the press should accept that. Likely, there is a reason they dont want it repoted, and that is it could put them in danger. The fact she went on the record with him, is why it is now being reported.
I guess we will see, but plenty of other people have gotten away with as much or more. I just don't have faith that this issue will fall on urban and osu/osu boosters will find a way to keep him. I haven't turned on espn today and only done a quick internet search but the story isn't the lead anywhere. Maybe that changes but IMO it goes away in a few days and quietly fades away.
A few years ago I would be more likely to agree with you. But I Think in the current climate, with metoo, and with the PSU and Mich State situations, I think there is going to be more pressure to handle these situations properly.
Haven't read a lot about this yet. Are there actual texts from Meyer's wife about this? All I saw was Smith's wife saying she texted Meyer's wife. Gotta see the texts on Meyer's phone or hear her acknowledge that she did indeed get the text. Otherwise it's hearsay.
In today’s #metoo climate, and Meter being one of the highest paid coaches in college football, at a high profile university, and him being a high profile person in general...I don’t see how he survives.
The story will never go away if they keep him. 60 minutes, Real Sports, and other big time news organizations will begin their investigations, and they will dig deep into the past on Meyer...and we all know how bad it was in Gainesville when he was head coach.
And for those saying this shouldn’t be handled in the court of public opinion, good or bad, it is going to be handled in the court of public opinion, and the university knows this. In his role, perception is reality, and the perception is not good and it isn’t going to turn to good. Think of the game day signs and social media post that will ensure throughout the year if he stays, my goodness, it could end up being a shit show of a season if he stays.
Yeah....he gone if you ask me.
The story will never go away if they keep him. 60 minutes, Real Sports, and other big time news organizations will begin their investigations, and they will dig deep into the past on Meyer...and we all know how bad it was in Gainesville when he was head coach.
And for those saying this shouldn’t be handled in the court of public opinion, good or bad, it is going to be handled in the court of public opinion, and the university knows this. In his role, perception is reality, and the perception is not good and it isn’t going to turn to good. Think of the game day signs and social media post that will ensure throughout the year if he stays, my goodness, it could end up being a shit show of a season if he stays.
Yeah....he gone if you ask me.
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He’s likely gone, but not because of those pesky women and their dadgum #metoo movement. It will because of his actions and then because he lied about the entire situation, not realizing the woman still had texts between her and his wife. He knew exactly who this monster was, but in his typical fashion, kept it quiet and covered for him. He covered for a serial wife beater for a decade. This was not an isolated incident but years of abuse. His freakin wife was worried about this woman’s life when you read the texts.
Urban and Shelley Meyer and Zach Smith are employees of Ohio State. I thought that part was obvious.
Title IX is to protect students, and to some extent staff. Courtney Smith is the alleged victim. As far as I know, she wasn't associated with the university. I still don't see how Title IX applies.
My understanding is it still applies since these were employees of the university. A college or university that receives federal funding may be held legally responsible when it knows about and ignores sexual harassment or assault in its programs or activities and I believe it applies if the assault and harassment is of anyone, not just students or employees. So with a minimum of two employees knowing of a third employee attacking his ex and threatening her with harm, I guess the thought is by not properly reporting to school administrators and police, they were willfully ignoring to protect program. A big no. But then again, I am not an expert at Title 9.
