Urban Liar ***Updated w/ Poll

[Finance85]

It appears that most of the outrage is because Urban lied, rather than he didn't fire Smith sooner.

The question begs, if Urban knew, at what point should he have fired Smith? Forget just sending it up the chain of command, if it was Urban's decision, when should he have fired Smith?

Also, in general, how much are we expected to accept accusations as fact? The first time an accusation is made? When there are multiple accusations?

For the record, I'm not defending Urban or Smith. I think they are both horrible people based on what I've read.

 

[noleclone2]

It appears that most of the outrage is because Urban lied, rather than he didn't fire Smith sooner.

The question begs, if Urban knew, at what point should he have fired Smith? Forget just sending it up the chain of command, if it was Urban's decision, when should he have fired Smith?

Also, in general, how much are we expected to accept accusations as fact? The first time an accusation is made? When there are multiple accusations?

For the record, I'm not defending Urban or Smith. I think they are both horrible people based on what I've read.

I would think after he beat her up in Gainesville in 2009. He was involved in aftermath. She was pregnant at time and got mad that he brought another woman home. That would have been when most of us would have kicked him to the curb. But in 2009, Urban was already an expert at covering up for bad people’s crimes, including an attempted murder. But more importantly, Smith was grandson of Earle Bruce. And Urban idolized Bruce.

 

[cfbfan23]

It appears that most of the outrage is because Urban lied, rather than he didn't fire Smith sooner.

The question begs, if Urban knew, at what point should he have fired Smith? Forget just sending it up the chain of command, if it was Urban's decision, when should he have fired Smith?

Also, in general, how much are we expected to accept accusations as fact? The first time an accusation is made? When there are multiple accusations?

For the record, I'm not defending Urban or Smith. I think they are both horrible people based on what I've read.

He should have fired him in Gainesville. This looks to be a classic case of domestic abuse. Just based on the texts that he (Smith) sent her, I presume some type of guilt. The guy is a complete psychopath.

 

[runkpanole]

My understanding is it still applies since these were employees of the university. A college or university that receives federal funding may be held legally responsible when it knows about and ignores sexual harassment or assault in its programs or activities and I believe it applies if the assault and harassment is of anyone, not just students or employees. So with a minimum of two employees knowing of a third employee attacking his ex and threatening her with harm, I guess the thought is by not properly reporting to school administrators and police, they were willfully ignoring to protect program. A big no. But then again, I am not an expert at Title 9.

This appears to be his problem

Check out this article from USA TODAY:

New contract provisions could pose problem as Ohio State's Urban Meyer is placed on leave

https://usat.ly/2v9HcoB

 

[Finance85]

My understanding is it still applies since these were employees of the university. A college or university that receives federal funding may be held legally responsible when it knows about and ignores sexual harassment or assault in its programs or activities and I believe it applies if the assault and harassment is of anyone, not just students or employees. So with a minimum of two employees knowing of a third employee attacking his ex and threatening her with harm, I guess the thought is by not properly reporting to school administrators and police, they were willfully ignoring to protect program. A big no. But then again, I am not an expert at Title 9.

That seems to be a stretch. Title IX's purpose is to protect students and staff, not people who are not connected to the university. People are taking a reporter's comments about Title IX and running with them without giving it any real thought or research.

 

[noleclone2]

That seems to be a stretch. Title IX's purpose is to protect students and staff, not people who are not connected to the university. People are taking a reporter's comments about Title IX and running with them without giving it any real thought or research.

I am not sure I follow. Like I said, I am not an expert, but I think the concept is to punish a situation where an athletic program did not report sexual harassment or assault to avoid bad publicity or athletes being kicked of team. I can’t imagine the set up only applies to student or staff victims. Or another way to look at it, is it ok to not report a football player for sexually assaulting local townies or girls from other schools? Sure seems like no. All must be reported.

 

[LesClaypool]

That seems to be a stretch. Title IX's purpose is to protect students and staff, not people who are not connected to the university. People are taking a reporter's comments about Title IX and running with them without giving it any real thought or research.

Who cares about Title IX?

Urban (it appears) knowingly harbored a serial abuser.
JoePa (definitely) knowingly harbored a pedophile.

It's that simple. These things are equal, and equally deserving of harsh punishment. I don't care if it's under the guise of Title IX, or common sense. Just fire the loser and be done with it.

 

[Cubs79]

He’s likely gone, but not because of those pesky women and their dadgum #metoo movement. It will because of his actions and then because he lied about the entire situation, not realizing the woman still had texts between her and his wife. He knew exactly who this monster was, but in his typical fashion, kept it quiet and covered for him. He covered for a serial wife beater for a decade. This was not an isolated incident but years of abuse. His freakin wife was worried about this woman’s life when you read the texts.

I know you didn't quote me but, I brought up #metoo as well, so I want to be clear (and I this is how I read DanC's post too). I am not saying it is because of "pesky" women or trying to shift blame from Meyer. I am saying because we are in a climate where powerful men are being held accountable, which is a good thing. But let's be honest even just 5-10 years ago (much less 20-30 years ago), his chances of surviving this and keeping his job would have been much greater than they are now. And that is due greatly to #metoo, as well as Penn St and Mich State where schools know there is a price for overlooking these things.

 

[FSUdawg]

At what point does someone dig deeper and uncover all the stuff he covered up in Gainesville? I would love to somehow get uf roped into all this and start to feel the heat for all the stuff they have done over the years.

 

[seminoleed]

At what point does someone dig deeper and uncover all the stuff he covered up in Gainesville? I would love to somehow get uf roped into all this and start to feel the heat for all the stuff they have done over the years.

Oh, I think it's coming. A bright spotlight on Hogtown that the DA won't be able to make go away.

 

[OrlandNole]

Oh, I think it's coming. A bright spotlight on Hogtown that the DA won't be able to make go away.

It's water under the bridge at this point. There won't be any serious repercussions, just a lot of 20/20 hindsight.

 

[ReliableOstrich]

If urbie knew about smith's abuses in gville, would there not be a title 9 issue for uf also?

 

[Fijimn]

At what point does someone dig deeper and uncover all the stuff he covered up in Gainesville? I would love to somehow get uf roped into all this and start to feel the heat for all the stuff they have done over the years.

We already know what Meyer covered up and excused....I'm more interested to know what Cervone covered up or half-assed investigated......like the random drive-by shooting that a witness described Hernandez and all the did was conduct one interview--while Hernandez was represented--and shut the case down. I suspect the interview was: "You weren't involved in this were you, Aaron?" Answer: "No." " Police: "well, that's good enough for us."

 

[kc78]

At what point does someone dig deeper and uncover all the stuff he covered up in Gainesville? I would love to somehow get uf roped into all this and start to feel the heat for all the stuff they have done over the years.

If OSU doesn't fire him then it's coming as some major journalist will get wind of those things and start investigating it all. However, If OSU simply cuts their losses and let's him go, then this story goes away within a few weeks until some other team moves to hire him at which point it might come up again.

 

[kc78]

We already know what Meyer covered up and excused....I'm more interested to know what Cervone covered up or half-assed investigated......like the random drive-by shooting that a witness described Hernandez and all the did was conduct one interview--while Hernandez was represented--and shut the case down. I suspect the interview was: "You weren't involved in this were you, Aaron?" Answer: "No." " Police: "well, that's good enough for us."

I'd love a deep investigation of Cervone. That man was one of the worst DA's in the history of this state and should be in prison imo.

 

[Fijimn]

I'd love a deep investigation of Cervone. That man was one of the worst DA's in the history of this state and should be in prison imo.

I do not think it is inaccurate to say that had he done his job properly and without the pro-Gator football bias that his office has exhibited for years, a serial killer would have been stopped before his crime spree could begin.

 

[kc78]

I do not think it is inaccurate to say that had he done his job properly and without the pro-Gator football bias that his office has exhibited for years, a serial killer would have been stopped before his crime spree could begin.

And UF would likely be shy a few national championships as well.

 

[funksouljon]

Can’t find it on ESPN homepage
Lol

At the time of this thread yesterday I went and looked and found the same. First reaction was "hey hey hey" but then reconsidered; if we want ESPN to act and be treated as a news agency (even if they are entertainment) least we can do it give them time to research. I'd rather them be accurate than first, esp in serious matters. Give 2 hoots on them being first to report that Lebron is going to LA, but do expect them to be correct when they publish articles of this type/severity.

RE Urban, I am in the he is gone camp. And good, irks me such an jack hole has made so much money / fame already. A) Based on what we have heard, this is already more than just a he said she said B) they love him, but current environment is toxic for a company to keep someone with this type of accusation on the record. OSU is out to protect OSU. C) On the heels of the MSU gymnasts case, the conference and schools are going to be very sensitive.

 

[funksouljon]

Another good one

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...ahead-of-scandal-fire-urban-meyer-immediately

From the article.
When Meyer left Florida after the 2010 season, he said the program was "broken." What he didn't explain—and what wasn't exposed until after he left—was that he was the reason it was broken.

Boom. Matt Hayes ain't messing around.

 

[runkpanole]

From the article.
When Meyer left Florida after the 2010 season, he said the program was "broken." What he didn't explain—and what wasn't exposed until after he left—was that he was the reason it was broken.

Boom. Matt Hayes ain't messing around.

What I love about Matt Hayes and Mike Bianchi is their hypocritical nature. Both douches were up Urbs tail when he was at Gunsville. Now, like the rest of Croc nation, they hate the guy.

The difference between me and those two fools now? I always hated him.

 

[NoleMoreTears]

What I love about Matt Hayes and Mike Bianchi is their hypocritical nature. Both douches were up Urbs tail when he was at Gunsville. Now, like the rest of Croc nation, they hate the guy.

The difference between me and those two fools now? I always hated him.

Yep, following the typical pattern: media types gushing over a "winner" while overlooking problems and then feigning moral outrage when the same guy just keeps on being the same guy.

This is the trend in a society where attention = $$

 

[funksouljon]

What I love about Matt Hayes and Mike Bianchi is their hypocritical nature. Both douches were up Urbs tail when he was at Gunsville. Now, like the rest of Croc nation, they hate the guy.
........

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.

 

[Formerly Rockymtnole]

Ehh...I’m not all that interested in questions of media hypocrisy, presumption of innocence, standards of proof, whether Title IX applies, etc etc.

The fact is Meyer’s just not a good guy and has had it coming for a long time.That the Gators may also catch some heat is icing on the cake. Bring it on!

 

[DanC78]

a reminder of how Meyer ran the program while at UF

http://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa...-violation-recruiting-drugs-program-will-musc

 

[seminoleed]

Consider that Tressel got fired at tOSU for far less than this. No way Oscar Meyer survives this. Indeed, this may be the end of his coaching career. How unfortunate for him.

 

[NoleMoreTears]

If he gets fired I'm 100% sure he coaches again, likely within 2 years. Some other school or NFL will take him.

 

[F4Gary]

How ironic. In order to find a temp head coach, they had to pass over 2 former head coaches on their staff because of their dubious past. Schiano and the guy from Indiana.

 

[Fijimn]

because it involves Ohio St, do we need to reference it as The cover-up?

 

[LesClaypool]

If he gets fired I'm 100% sure he coaches again, likely within 2 years. Some other school or NFL will take him.

I disagree. His time as a big-time football coach ends w/this story.

I mean sure he can probably go coach at Fresno State or Middle Tennessee St...but he can’t get a job at a school capable of playing for a NC anymore. Same goes for the NFL, IMO.

 

[NoleLizards]

I disagree. His time as a big-time football coach ends w/this story.

I mean sure he can probably go coach at Fresno State or Middle Tennessee St...but he can’t get a job at a school capable of playing for a NC anymore. Same goes for the NFL, IMO.

I dunno...We all thought the same thing about Petrino, but he's managed to work himself back up to Louisville...And I doubt that's his last stop.

 

[DanC78]

I disagree. His time as a big-time football coach ends w/this story.

I mean sure he can probably go coach at Fresno State or Middle Tennessee St...but he can’t get a job at a school capable of playing for a NC anymore. Same goes for the NFL, IMO.

I agree with you. Meyer’s ego is to big to go the Petrino route. He has 3 NC under his belt, there is nothing else for him prove.

The NFL is a possibility, but I’m having a hard time visualizing him going that route as well.

Announcing again is a strong possibility. He’d obviously have to interview well with the powers to be convincing them as to why the audience would like him, or not dislike him. So that isn’t impossible. Announcing NFL games could work...maybe.

I think he’ll inevitably do something similar to what Tressel is doing, and that’s being a consultant or advisor to another head coach. It’s a good way to stay involved while not being in the spotlight.

Outside of the above options, I think that’s all he’s got to fall back on. Would have to get out of football all together if he doesn’t take those options..correct?

 

[DanC78]

Wait...if ND would offer him, I could see him accepting that job.

Doesn’t he have ties to the school?

 

[NoleLizards]

Wait...if ND would offer him, I could see him accepting that job.

Doesn’t he have ties to the school?

He shares the same name as several popes. Beano Cook thought he'd go there instead of FU because of that.

 

[funksouljon]

I disagree. His time as a big-time football coach ends w/this story.

I mean sure he can probably go coach at Fresno State or Middle Tennessee St...but he can’t get a job at a school capable of playing for a NC anymore. Same goes for the NFL, IMO.

We need a thread for everyone to vote. no job/done. ESPN analyst. NFL. Div 2 then 1, etc. Give it a timeline of 10 years.

 

[Finance85]

I think he’ll inevitably do something similar to what Tressel is doing, and that’s being a consultant or advisor to another head coach. It’s a good way to stay involved while not being in the spotlight.

Tressel is President of Youngstown State.

 

[seminole97]

I dunno...We all thought the same thing about Petrino, but he's managed to work himself back up to Louisville...And I doubt that's his last stop.

But Petrino beat himself up, that's a little different.
We should ask Urban what would be appropriate for a coach who lies. I recall him offering an opinion on that notion last year...

 

[SoddyNole]

I agree with you. Meyer’s ego is to big to go the Petrino route. He has 3 NC under his belt, there is nothing else for him prove.

The NFL is a possibility, but I’m having a hard time visualizing him going that route as well.

Announcing again is a strong possibility. He’d obviously have to interview well with the powers to be convincing them as to why the audience would like him, or not dislike him. So that isn’t impossible. Announcing NFL games could work...maybe.

I think he’ll inevitably do something similar to what Tressel is doing, and that’s being a consultant or advisor to another head coach. It’s a good way to stay involved while not being in the spotlight.

Outside of the above options, I think that’s all he’s got to fall back on. Would have to get out of football all together if he doesn’t take those options..correct?

Last I heard Tressel was president of Youngstown University. I would be surprised if chinless has the acumen for that kind of position.

 

[SoddyNole]

Tressel is President of Youngstown State.

beat me to it.

 

[DanC78]

Tressel is President of Youngstown State.

Correct...but I don’t believe he was directly after his departure from OSU. I remember being some type of consultant or advisor, but I guess I could be wrong.

 

[F4Gary]

I dunno...We all thought the same thing about Petrino, but he's managed to work himself back up to Louisville...And I doubt that's his last stop.

Art Briles just got a head coaching job................in Italy.