Completely understand and I've enjoyed the exchange of perspective/info with you.
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The world always needs a bad guy. Nobody takes the fat kid seriously so Putin is it.
Qi and the Caliphate worry me more than all. They have more influence than either others. One day we'll use our noggin and expand into Africa. I think those people would do wonders for this world if organizations like Boko Haram can be exiled.
Putin really wants guarantees that his country won't be thrown to the wayside if they were ever in real despair. I really think they just want to be left alone, reestablishing the Soviet Union is up to interpretation.
That's not really how Putin has behaved.
He's been in power since 1999.
He's a full blown dictator.
Tell me what he has done to the world outside of Russia. Is he a bully among his people, probably... but I'd probably have a similar view if I was raised in the USSR & a higher up within the KGB. That's something these other "dictators" don't have, real history of war or struggle.
Here's a short read:
Ukraine invasion: how Vladimir Putin built his career on waging war
The Russian president’s career is steeped in blood. But the invasion of Ukraine is more ambitious, and risky, than anything the Russian president has attempted before
Once again. Tell me what threatening gesture he has performed towards the world. Outside of Syria, those are conflicts that have been occurring since the beginning of time between Russians/Eastern Europeans. We literally started three wars in Iraq, Yemen, & Afghanistan... all for what, oil & poppy fields?Here's a short read:
Ukraine invasion: how Vladimir Putin built his career on waging war
The Russian president’s career is steeped in blood. But the invasion of Ukraine is more ambitious, and risky, than anything the Russian president has attempted beforewww.google.com
The CIA consistently overestimated Soviet and now Russian technological/military ability. George Bush I, when he took over the CIA (1976), increased that overestimation. There is a reason that after Sputnick (1957) we were able to put a man on the moon fairly rapidly and the Soviets never got close. Eisenhower had set us up for success by demanding wide spread engineering schools in the 1950s beyond the then elite private universities (Ivy's, Stanford, U of Chicago, MIT, Cal Tech), as he recognized we had to create the foundation of a technological based society.
We have already started. There are full scale bases in Africa plus numbers of other temporary bases. Also, during the cold war the US had bases in Egypt, Libya, Morocco and others.
The military industrial complex we have now couldn't have existed without the cold war and the war on communism.
The benefit to that and the engineering base we have is that offensive and defensive weapons can be developed simultaneously to ensure the upper hand.
In the late 80's I was in a class and someone argued that we couldn't beat the Soviets in an air war because they had 5 times more planes than us. The instructor responded that a third of their planes cant fly and ours can take out multiple planes before they know were there due to superior radars, missiles and defense systems.
Most of advanced technology in emergency trauma medicine, as an example, came out of the Korea/Vietnam experiences. The advances in technology were significant that came out of NASA, which of course, was a result of Sputnick. Advances in computer technology (decreasing size and increasing power of chips), including the internet, came out of the Pentagon to help the military in both weapons and logistics. Advances in metallurgy came out of the desire to make better airplanes and electronics to create stealth technology.
Cyber warfare and election interference against the United States and other countries.
‘Vulkan files’ leak reveals Putin’s global and domestic cyberwarfare tactics
Vulkan engineers have worked for Russian military and intelligence agencies to support hacking operations, prepare for attacks on infrastructure and spread disinformation
New Evidence Shows How Russia’s Election Interference Has Gotten More Brazen
The Kremlin-linked operation behind 2016 election meddling is using similar tactics for 2020, plus some new ones.
Sitting air defense alert in Holland in the mid-70s, we figured they'd send all their Mig 15s, 17s, and 19s first to soak up as many of our missiles as they could.
We had enough missiles on base for each airplane to fly 1.5 missions before we had to wait for the C-141 to bring us more.
How did that affect anything? Can you name one thing we don't do as well?Cyber warfare and election interference against the United States and other countries.
‘Vulkan files’ leak reveals Putin’s global and domestic cyberwarfare tactics
Vulkan engineers have worked for Russian military and intelligence agencies to support hacking operations, prepare for attacks on infrastructure and spread disinformation
New Evidence Shows How Russia’s Election Interference Has Gotten More Brazen
The Kremlin-linked operation behind 2016 election meddling is using similar tactics for 2020, plus some new ones.www.brennancenter.org
Not really the same thing as kinetic engagement but there always is some sort of meddling in elections. Pretty sure we wrote the manual on it. If we want safe elections we need to secure them by all available means.Cyber warfare and election interference against the United States and other countries.
‘Vulkan files’ leak reveals Putin’s global and domestic cyberwarfare tactics
Vulkan engineers have worked for Russian military and intelligence agencies to support hacking operations, prepare for attacks on infrastructure and spread disinformation
New Evidence Shows How Russia’s Election Interference Has Gotten More Brazen
The Kremlin-linked operation behind 2016 election meddling is using similar tactics for 2020, plus some new ones.
Russian interference had no meaningful effect on 2016 election result, study finds
A new study challenges assumptions that Russian social media operations had a significant impact on the 2016 U.S. presidential election.
Are you not able to think for yourself instead of posting articles without reading through the entirety first? The big background topic to both of those is Russian collusion during the elections which has been taken off the table twice.
Bingo. It's all a political keynote to bash one side or the other. Dems did it to Trump & now the GOP is doing it to Biden.Russian interference had no meaningful effect on 2016 election result, study finds
A new study challenges assumptions that Russian social media operations had a significant impact on the 2016 U.S. presidential election.therecord.media
F-4 's could hold a lot of iron. 9 or so missiles if I remember depending on the package. Right around 1000 if my math is right. That's just there. Add to that planes from Spang, Bitburg, Ramstein, Sembach, Bentwaters, Zaragoza, Torrejon, Lakenheath, Weisbaden, Zweibruken ect... That's a lot of Mig kills.
I remember doing the elephant walks at the end of exercises to simulate launching everything. Pretty cool stuff.
Russia was proven to interfere in the 2020 American presidential election.
Is that acceptable to you?
Russian Interference in 2020 Included Influencing Trump Associates, Report Says (Published 2021)
The assessment was the intelligence community’s most comprehensive look at foreign efforts to interfere in the election.
Interfered how? Was it successful? Does that mean Trump should have won? Is Biden in Russia's pockets? Is Trump in Russia's pockets? You keep posting articles I can't read.Russia was proven to interfere in the 2020 American presidential election.
Is that acceptable to you?
Russian Interference in 2020 Included Influencing Trump Associates, Report Says (Published 2021)
The assessment was the intelligence community’s most comprehensive look at foreign efforts to interfere in the election.www.nytimes.com
Don't forget about the Ukrainians either... here's one we can all read.Russia was proven to interfere in the 2020 American presidential election.
Is that acceptable to you?
Russian Interference in 2020 Included Influencing Trump Associates, Report Says (Published 2021)
The assessment was the intelligence community’s most comprehensive look at foreign efforts to interfere in the election.
U.S. imposes sanctions on Ukrainians over election interference
The United States on Monday imposed sanctions on several Ukrainian individuals and entities, accusing them of U.S. election interference and associating with a pro-Russian Ukrainian lawmaker linked to efforts by President Donald Trump's allies to dig up dirt on President-elect...
www.reuters.com
Maybe he was scared of Biden?Russia was proven to interfere in the 2020 American presidential election.
Is that acceptable to you?
Russian Interference in 2020 Included Influencing Trump Associates, Report Says (Published 2021)
The assessment was the intelligence community’s most comprehensive look at foreign efforts to interfere in the election.
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www.washingtonpost.com
I find it weird the Ukrainians support the Dems & the Russians support the GOP. Maybe they are US politic's spirit animals.
That seems odd to me as well. However, given certain business dealings in that country it is not at all surprising.
I beg to differ. Trump was in office in 2020. He said on National TV multiple times that it was a flu.
AP FACT CHECK: Biden goes too far in assurances on vaccines
President Joe Biden is offering what sounds like an absolute guarantee: If you're vaccinated, you won't get COVID-19. You won't end up in the hospital or die from it.apnews.com
"President Joe Biden offered an absolute guarantee Wednesday that people who get their COVID-19 vaccines are completely protected from infection, sickness and death from the coronavirus."
Now we all know that wasn't true but.... the leader of the free world said it on national TV. Moron and Hillbilly? Ever try research?
Some people were vaccinated against polio, and they still got it, but it was not as severe as those who were not vaccinated.
If Reagan or 41 were president, I assure you that Russia would not support the GOP. Also, there are plenty of Russians here, in Tallahassee that support Ukraine.
Brian you keep saying Russia influences in our elation like their satan or something
Don’t tell me all countries don’t mingle including the US
Hillary did it by blaming the Russians when in fact it was a bought and paid for scam by her!
Twitter and other social media platforms did it in 2020
Soros has his fingers in our elections
FBI and Doj kept hunters laptop under wraps just before the 2020 election
51 intelligence people signed a statement that the laptop was Russian misinformation
It’s always blame the Russians when in fact it’s Americans doing the dirty work
It’s all bullshit
Start calling a spade a spade , I don’t care what party is involved call them out!
Don’t tell me all countries don’t mingle including the US
Hillary did it by blaming the Russians when in fact it was a bought and paid for scam by her!
Twitter and other social media platforms did it in 2020
Soros has his fingers in our elections
FBI and Doj kept hunters laptop under wraps just before the 2020 election
51 intelligence people signed a statement that the laptop was Russian misinformation
It’s always blame the Russians when in fact it’s Americans doing the dirty work
It’s all bullshit
Start calling a spade a spade , I don’t care what party is involved call them out!
LOL. Are you familiar with Miami? Even Tallahassee. Oh and the meth areas around Madison? If you haven’t seen the drug issues in Florida, then you’re not paying attention.
Okay. I speak to my brother regularly. We do not have troops in Ukraine. That is patently false. There are Americans there by their own volition.
Secondly, the military (upper brass) observes the usage of our equipment and how it performs. All agree, even my borderline Maga brother, says that this is a good situation for our military in terms of performance. We are able to test our weapons’ performance without losing lives in a war.
And for the record, he was a navigator on a B52 crew during Viet Nam, and has run programs since for naval intelligence.
OMG. I can’t believe you believe that. Where did you get that information? The Serbs were killing Bosnians. Both my brother and nephew were there.
I have Croatian friends that certainly tell a different story.
We also support South Korea and Japan, and we have had favored nation status with Brazil for ages.
First, of all you're confusing the Bosnian Wars 1994-96 with NATO bombardment of Serbia in 1999. Two different conflicts. In the Bosnian War, Croats, Bosniaks, and Serbs were killing each other,,,, at least 200,000 Serbs were forcilbly removed "ethnic cleansed" from the Krajina... but again, I was talking about NATO's bombing campaign against Serbia, not the Bosnian War.
