Corey and I discuss the good, bad and ugly from FSU's loss to Louisville:

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you have to make that play on the ball, that's a 1 vs 1 battle, and he lost it. Glad to see this team didn't fold up like it did with previous coaches though, kept fighting...💯💯💲💲

So true, a horribly blown call. Surprised ESECPN ran the story.

https://www.espn.com/college-footba...rs-were-helped-questionable-call-sec-referees

So quickly after coaching losses, poor choices etc.. I mean this is getting pretty pathetic for us.

He was a four star, hand picked QB by CMN. With the numerous weaknesses in MM10 and JT13 games, why is he getting no PT? I realize he broke his collar bone a couple times, is this a lingering issue? What’s the deal with Chubba?

For all the time and emphasis MN says we spend on ST, our kick returning is atrocious. We need guys back there with some mental discipline. Most of the time, a fair catch is OK. Most of the time, we seem to return kickoffs (Douglas?) to the 15 and let punts (Helton) bounce on down the field. On KR, they should actually have a count in their head and only return short kicks or low kicks that get to them quickly. With all the penalties called on KR, why not just take the 25 without risking field position or turnover? Helton just needs to worry about catching the ball. Again, if a return is on, fine. But it isn't every punt.

Not defending CMN, he needs to grow up and stop managing the game like he’s playing PlayStation with these bone head 4th down calls. But,

in all 4 games the other team has had the better QB. QB’s matter the most, ask Jimbo

players gotta start making plays when the ball is in the air, our guys just haven’t done it.

when your UCF transfer QB can’t connect with your Kansas transfer WR with game on the line it says a lot. Also says a lot that a non-starter from UGA is your best player on defense and a Miss ST DT comes in and is your best DT.

I have nothing but respect for Milton, but we need better QB play and we won’t win games until we get it. There is no eraser in college football like a QB and right now, we don’t have one, unless Chubba is the guy. I’d go to Chubba if I were coach.

Loss is a loss. We're 0-4. And we suck.
But we "only" lost 20 minutes against Louisville. For the balance of the game - and this was truly shocking to me - we won the next 40 minutes. The penalties were erased, turnovers all but disappeared, and the players played very solid football. There are a few key plays missed that would have got us a win (and a lot of those fall on Milton), but we outplayed UL during the last 40 minutes of the game.

So... good job keeping your head in the game. Good job making coaching adjustments. Good job keeping the players focused.

Terrible result.

Great story for MM, but the run should come to an end tonight. How are we supposed to run an offense when the ground tackles our QB 4-5x a game?

man Duffy can’t get here quick enough.

i don’t care how bad Chubba practices something else has to happen at QB

From the tune by Bill Withers.......

"Ain't no Sunshine when he's gone....

Only darkness every day....

Ain't no Sunshine when he's gone,

and this house just ain't no home,

ever since he went away."

And I don't mean worse shape now. The program was in a bad place when Taggert came in, but no one wanted to acknowledge it. The program was in an even worse situation when Norvell came in, and again, no one wanted to out right admit it. The performance of the team last year should have easily convinced everyone that the "rebuild" was going to take at least 4 years before this program began to resemble the program of the past. But, guess what, no one just says the obvious. Just to be clear, when I say no one, I mean the people responsible for leading this program.

Wasn't it obvious how bad the situation was when Norvell practically rebuilt the roster in one winter/spring cycle. Why would anyone think that type of approach was going to result in substantial improvement this year. But hey, let's not be open about it. That type of move is designed to control the bleeding, not stop the bleeding. You stop the bleeding by going through this season knowing it's going to be ugly, but expecting the season to build the character and resolve of the team, and working to get a top notch recruiting class in with real top notch talent. The bleeding stops sometime during next winter and spring. The repair/rebuild begins next summer.

I've been waiting for someone just to be open and tell me what I already know, this is going to take time, there are no shortcuts. By not saying this openly, the leaders of this program are doing a disservice to the players, the fans, and the supporters. Maybe they are saying this to the players, and if they are, good. But why not just say it publicly. Set the expectations, why let the fans and supporters develop any type of unreasonable expectation.

The ND game was a sign that '"something was changing", but it should not have been confused with "something has changed". Remember the bleeding isn't under control, yet. So I ask again, why won't the leadership just be open and say things are changing, but there is still a lot of changing that needs to occur. Why not be open and say the team is going to have highs and lows, and possibly more lows than highs. Be open about the state of the team, and be open about the state of the staff. Let's not forget, this coaching staff is in the middle of doing something that I don't think any of them have ever tried to do, and I'm going to guess there aren't too many people out there who have come ino this type of situation at this type of historical program before.

In my opinion, Norvell's biggest mistake has been not being straight up and open about the state of the program. This has allowed the fan base to develop unreasonable expectations, has allowed the talking heads to develop unreasonable expectations, which just feeds the unreasonable expectations of the fan base.

I believe Norvell can control the bleeding. I believe Norvell can stop the bleeding. I believe Norvell can repair/rebuild the program, but it's going to take longer than anyone has been willing to admit publicly. Norvell has to bring in players that fit the Seminole standard, and he may need to make some coaching changes to fit the Seminole standard, and guess what, that takes time.

So fans/supporters, I think it's time we all admit that this program is no where close to what we want, and we should all be prepared for performances like the ND game and performances like the Jax St. game for the near future.

Crazy what a lack of personnel will do for these “elite” coaches.

I could go for some lemonade.

We need someone who can objectively evaluate this mess and try to salvage something out of it. I don‘t see Norvell going anywhere but I can‘t say the same for his staff.

IMO he needs to take over play calling. I might be wrong but I thought he was considered to be a guru, Dillingham sure as hell isn’t

First of all, anyone who thinks FSU can afford to fire Norvell and pay him and his staff in addition to Taggart’s buyout is insane. FSU is not firing Norvell, period.
All the FIRE NORVELL on these message boards combined with Warchant’s podcasts spending so much time debating this topic is really DEPRESSING. Why aren’t we at least trying to be POSITIVE?
N. Illinois, an 0-6 MAC team beat GT opening game. Two weeks later, Tech plays Clemson to a 14-8 loss.
If Tech can turn it around so can FSU.
We can beat Louisville. I know we are struggling at the moment but if our players are as negative as our fans, we will go 0-11.
I wish everyone would take a chill pill just for one week..a Saturday to Saturday. Post nothing but encouraging words for the team.
The podcasts are terribly negative. I stopped listening to the 9/22 version.
Just got tired of listening to podcasts debating hypotheticals two years in advance and does Norvell survive? SICK!
Everyone wants instant gratification.
Well, you ain’t getting it here because Norvell inherited a mess but in time…not immediately, but in time, he will return us to glory.
Two or three recruiting classes like 2022 and we are on our way but it’s a few year, not overnight process.

all blocking and no receiving, middle of the field was wide open. Thought this would be a strength..🤔🤔🤔

Didn’t see him today,

Doesn’t Norvell know he has one of the worse short yardage teams in the country? Just punt the d—n ball and give your team a chance.

These types of things happen.

Can we just promote Shannon already? Wouldn’t surprise me if he were calling the defensive schemes in the second half.

send fuller back Conf USA.

Looked really thin......

That was an outrageously bad call

It’s baaaaaaaaaaack lololololololololololololol

MM is not the answer obviously. Season is over, start another youth movement. Time for Purdy to get his feet wet this year.