Yep. If there's a longer term plan that I'm just not seeing, I wish they would make it available to the suffering fans.
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I get some of the plan, I'm just failing to see where the rest of the lineup is coming from, and if one position player doesn't pan out, there aren't many, if any, backups.
Look at Heyward, the Uptons, and Simmons. All struggling mightily with their new clubs. That could be the Braves with those struggling over-paid name players. The record would maybe be slightly better, but probably not much, and the farm system would still be depleted. So, I get the overall picture, just wish we had a few more bats. And, the sooner some of the young guys come up the better. Hopefully, many will in June so the extra year of control/arbitration doesn't kick in yet.
Look at Heyward, the Uptons, and Simmons. All struggling mightily with their new clubs. That could be the Braves with those struggling over-paid name players. The record would maybe be slightly better, but probably not much, and the farm system would still be depleted. So, I get the overall picture, just wish we had a few more bats. And, the sooner some of the young guys come up the better. Hopefully, many will in June so the extra year of control/arbitration doesn't kick in yet.
Well, after getting their 9th win last night I'd put the odds of getting to double figures in May at 50/50.
Watching the braves getting thumped by Pittsburgh 9-0 in the third. The only thing worse than the game was listening to John Hart drone on about how bad this team was and how they will continue to improve. Continue to improve??? They are the worst team in MLB ... They cannot get any worse. How does Hart still have a job? Went to the Braves game last Thursday where tickets were going for $2.00.
I am far from a Fredi apologist, I was done with him after the Dodgers LDS, but there was no sense in canning him right now. The vets on this team suck and there will be ups and downs with the young pitchers (see the last two starts). Snit at the helm isn't going to change anything in that regard.
The easiest job the FO had this season was when to relieve Fredi of his duties as manager. He was obviously not part of the rebuild plan. The Johns have to manage the call-ups of the young guys and service time clocks, deal with the rookies' struggles, somehow manage the sucktitude of the worthless vets on this team who should all be dumped on waivers after the deadline, plus spin this crap to the fans going into the new park next year. All of those are tough decisions compared to when to fire the manager. It was pretty simple IMO...let him manage the entire season and part ways or fire him after the deadline and let Snit manage some of the younger guys for the last 60 days.
The easiest job the FO had this season was when to relieve Fredi of his duties as manager. He was obviously not part of the rebuild plan. The Johns have to manage the call-ups of the young guys and service time clocks, deal with the rookies' struggles, somehow manage the sucktitude of the worthless vets on this team who should all be dumped on waivers after the deadline, plus spin this crap to the fans going into the new park next year. All of those are tough decisions compared to when to fire the manager. It was pretty simple IMO...let him manage the entire season and part ways or fire him after the deadline and let Snit manage some of the younger guys for the last 60 days.
I think Fredi's mismanagement of the few young players called up and the pitchers are what got him canned now as opposed to waiting. Smith needs to play every day, not be in a platoon. EOF should only pitch as a last resort. The young guys need to pitch through struggles and not stick too strongly to pitch counts.
As well as Julio's first win. He is this year's Miller with run support.
I see the thread has died, much like the Braves season; but Thursday is a big day with the draft coming up and the Braves having 5 picks in the first 80. It will be a big few days for a glimpse into the future of the franchise. I'm hoping for Lewis or Groome with the 1st pick (I know Groome is a pitcher, but he has true ace potential and is the best prospect in the draft) and then hoping some of the young guys slide due to signability, like Keiboom from GA (high school kid).
Braves have a ton of slot money and can likely overpay at several slots. It is getting exciting to see what the future may hold.
Braves have a ton of slot money and can likely overpay at several slots. It is getting exciting to see what the future may hold.
I hope they stay away from the Pint kid. Yes. It's very impressive that he's hitting triple digits as a high schooler. Hell. That's impressive at any level. I just see at least one, if not multiple Tommy John surgeries in his future. I bet they go after a college bat in the first round.
Pint is the biggest high risk/high reward in the draft, and I agree, I'd rather stay away, don't need the risk with this pick. My order, as of now because it changes all the time, is Lewis then Groome then Ray. I think one of Lewis or Groome will be there. I think Ray may be the safer pick, but doesn't have the ceiling of the other two, and that is the reason for him behind a pitcher. I'd be ok with Groome because there are a ton of high talent position high schoolers who will drop due to signing bonus demands and the Braves can afford them and should get a couple steals at 40 and 44.
The rumors are flying left and right today. Seems the Braves have completely cooled on Lewis and he's out. They want to go WAY under slot and take Anderson (a high school pitcher) at 3 and then hope and pray signability issues allow Groome and a bat to fall to 40 and 44. I'm ok with the Groome part because more rumors say he has MAJOR signability concerns and wants a ton of money which the Braves can offer if the 3 pick is underslot. Well, rumor has it that Ray would sign for under as well, so, I'm hoping he is the pick and then Groome falls to 40 and a HS bat at 44, but it's looking like more and more pitching.
Looks like the late rumors were true. Although I'm not a big fan of Anderson, the strategy could pay off. The Braves got 3 top 25 talents at 3, 40, and 44. That's impressive, and most analysts that actually understand the baseball draft LOVED what the Braves did. Anderson was a fast riser this year because of his senior season (was a top 30 prospect early, I believe, and his strong senior year but him top 10-15).
I wanted bats, but the MLB draft is about taking the best players and being able to sign them; you never draft for need first. If the right player falls who is a need, then you take them, but you always try to take the best players and then you can flip them. I'm not sure who else could have been a target at 40 and 44 because most of the high school bats were gone; so, I can't complain too much, just wish there were more hitters.
I wanted bats, but the MLB draft is about taking the best players and being able to sign them; you never draft for need first. If the right player falls who is a need, then you take them, but you always try to take the best players and then you can flip them. I'm not sure who else could have been a target at 40 and 44 because most of the high school bats were gone; so, I can't complain too much, just wish there were more hitters.
Saw your post before I saw the pick and thought it might be Horn and was going to defend it as BPA and a top 30 prospect, but he isn't the pick. There are a few decent bats available for that spot, so, a little surprised, but Harrington is the ACC pitcher of the year and could get to the majors in the bullpen or a late spot starter very early. Not a bad pick. But yes, would love some hitters.
Edit: also think this pick is an underslot, so the Braves have more money to secure the picks from 40 and 44. I think some college bats SHOULD be coming later today, but Coppy will probably draft 4 more HS pitchers, 2 college pitchers and a random catcher.
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At this point, yep. I got the first pick for today. Needed to clear some extra money for earlier picks to be safe and he wasn't that big a reach. These last two? I have no idea. The last pick is ranked in the 300s. I was on board yesterday and with the first pick, now they're trolling fans and just taking pitchers to mess with us.
My only hope is they are hoping to have 3-5 ace pitchers in 2-3 years and use them to get the proven bats.
No way this team is competitive until 2018 at the earliest. Will be at best .500 next year even with a lot of moves. Can't expect to go from sub .300 to .600 in one off season.
No way this team is competitive until 2018 at the earliest. Will be at best .500 next year even with a lot of moves. Can't expect to go from sub .300 to .600 in one off season.
Seriously don't get why they don't ditch Freeman. I know he's the face of the franchise now but with no protection he's a below average hitter. He would be a great DH somewhere. By the time we are good again he will be on the decline. The days of players having a 10 year prime went out the door with performance enhancing drugs.
I thought about posting earlier this season that they did not look near as bad as their record suggested except for a few deleterious games. But that could probably be said about a lot of worst record pro teams. Winning 6 in a row does go well beyond expectations this year. Hopefully the plan will be to build on this team and not trade away the moving parts at the end of year.
Soddy, you don't expect to see Teheran traded? I do. Don't think the front office can help themselves.
I think they will have to be truly blown away with a Miller type offer that centers around a young, controllable bat. And I don't see that offer coming. I think Viz will be traded to a contender, as well as any veteran player who has shown signs of life, which right now would be Franceour and Norris, maybe Markakis (I think they are trying with him, but haven't got a decent offer).
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