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2016 Braves Thread

Soddy, you don't expect to see Teheran traded? I do. Don't think the front office can help themselves.

Damn man don't give them any ideas!

Seriously though, I hope not. They flashed the stat the other night of him being second in wins among under 25 pitchers. I would hate to see Viz go too but then again he just walked the 1st batter in the 9th with a lead.
 
Interesting series starting tonight. Cleveland visits to Atlanta coming off a sweep of Detroit. The Indians have won 9 in a row. The Braves have been playing their best ball of the season lately. Can they keep it up?
 
The Dodgers don't have any bats in their system?

They mainly have pitching, but one of the players wasn't in the their top 30, so, doesn't look like high return. Both are projected as relievers and could be in the bigs soon. Relievers don't usually get high ratings. The other pitcher was #30 for LA and is listed at 30 now for Atlanta. He is the one that is a former Brave.
 
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Really cool watching the Braves playing the Marlins at Fort Bragg.

I just love how the Marlins have more of a Military attachment, which is why they gave up being the visiting team to get this done.

Love seeing the Braves be absolutely terrible. From being Nole copy-cats to just simply catching up to the Nats in maybe ten years?
 
MLB's prospect for the second half.

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Julio Teheran's ascension by age 25 to an All-Star-caliber pitcher makes him a valuable trade chip as the Deadline approaches, but if the Braves were to part with him, the haul would have to be big. More >

http://m.braves.mlb.com/news/article/189410740/braves-likely-to-be-active-at-trade-deadline/
 
There is no trade of him that would make sense to me. I hope this is just one of those stories of the media trying to get clicks.
 
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I think with the Red Sox trading for Pomeranz, the likelihood of Teheran being moved went down.
 
How many of the previous trades made sense to you?

I've come full circle on the Braves moves. I think the trades have made sense and the team is built for the future now. My only concern is a lack of quality bats and the ones currently in the organization have to be hits because of lack of depth. Look at all the moves and tell me who do you miss as a
player?
1) Heyward has never lived up to the hype and is a bust for the Cubs. Moving him, in the end, netted the Braves: Tyrell Jenkins (who could either be a very good reliever or still has the potential to maybe be a #3 starter), Dansby Swanson (future starting SS, maybe as early as next eyar and the top prospect in the organization and top 10 overall), Ender Inciarte (starting CF and maybe RF in the future if Mallex becomes the CF), and Aaron Blair (probable starter with a ceiling of #2 and top 10 prospect in the organization)
2) Kimbrel: team went into rebuild and you don't need an expensive closer when doing that. His lose stings because he was a fan favorite, but it was a smart business move and allowed to team to get rid of Melvin. netted: Austin Riley (with the 41st pick and is in the Braves top 10 prospects, who could be a good utility MLB player and 3rd base stop gap until Maitan arrives), Ian Krol (from Detroit for Maybin and looks to be a the bullpen lefty for a while), and Matt Wisler (potential top end rotation guy and already in the bigs and taking his lumps)
3) J Upton: have you seen his stat line this year? already over 110 strikeouts, only 9 home runs, hitting .235. Netted: Mallex Smith (probable CF starter for the future) Max Fried (top 10 prospect and likely top 3 rotation), the Petersons (utility and 4 OFer) and international pool money
4) Simmons: battling injuries and only played in about 50 games. Has turned the bat around a bit and hitting near .270. Netted: Aybar (yep, he stinks but there is some trade interest and maybe he can be flipped) Newcomb (#3 prospect, top 20 overall and top of the rotation potential), Ellis (killed AA and has struggled some in AAA, could be a back end rotation starter or possibly a dominant setup man)
5) Gattis: never had a position for the Braves and is tailor-made for the AL as a DH and spot starter at C and still barely hitting over .200. Netted: Folty (electric fastball that if he doesn't set on tee is dominant, see the White Sox game and likely a rotation mainstay), Ruiz (similar to Riley, 3b stop gap and potential utility, top 15 prospect regardless), and Thurman (probable bullpen arm with multiple pitches)
6) Alex Wood and Jose Peraza trade: yeah, let's just leave that as not working out for anyone except the Braves did get Joey Wentz in the draft this year with the pick obtained.

Let's not forget fleecing Arizona for Touki Toussaint either, for taking Arroyo from them and paying him. Touki has really turned it around this season and looks like the top 5 prospect and potential top of the rotation guy when he was drafted.

And some trades brought international pool money which allowed the Braves to stock up this year with a ton of positional talent and a couple pitchers. When reading the reports, don't forget that a lot of HS levels put the best player at SS and that most players that were signed don't have a true position yet.

I know that I just made my longest post in Warchant history, but I wanted to type it all out and show that there is a plan, and that if the trades weren't made, this team wouldn't be much better anyways with an even bleaker future than the current present and no financial flexibility. Look at this lineup and pitchers:

LF-undecided
CF-Smith or Acuna
RF-Inciarte
3B-Maitain
SS-Swanson
2B-Albies
1B-Freeman
C-undecided

LF and C are where the free agency money comes in or trading one of the 50 pitchers the Braves have now. One name up there you may not recognize is Acuna, he has STORMED on to the scene at Rome and has shown serious potential with the bat and fielding and base running, but lacks power. He will shoot up the prospect rankings when they are released in the mid-season re-rank.

SP: Teheran, Folty, Wisler, Blair, Newcomb, Allard, Toussaint, Jenkins (I still think he holds more value as a starter), Soroka, Fried, Sims (you know, the forgotten former #1 Braves prospect that is now about the #8 starting pitcher prospect), Anderson, Wentz, Muller
This list is huge and a couple will have to be traded off.

Bullpen: well, bullpen is always a crapshoot, but Alveraz, Cervenka, Krol and Cabrera (who hits 100 mph) look pretty decent currently, Vizcaino is a solid closer who could be moved, Withrow may be good too; in the minors: Gant, Bird, Morris and the ones mentioned above are all possible and show above average pitches.

Guys, the future looks bright. Just keep weathering the storm that is the 2016 season. Also, living in metro Atlanta and seeing some of the minor league teams has helped me a good bit.
 
I've come full circle on the Braves moves. I think the trades have made sense and the team is built for the future now. My only concern is a lack of quality bats and the ones currently in the organization have to be hits because of lack of depth. Look at all the moves and tell me who do you miss as a
player?
1) Heyward has never lived up to the hype and is a bust for the Cubs. Moving him, in the end, netted the Braves: Tyrell Jenkins (who could either be a very good reliever or still has the potential to maybe be a #3 starter), Dansby Swanson (future starting SS, maybe as early as next eyar and the top prospect in the organization and top 10 overall), Ender Inciarte (starting CF and maybe RF in the future if Mallex becomes the CF), and Aaron Blair (probable starter with a ceiling of #2 and top 10 prospect in the organization)
2) Kimbrel: team went into rebuild and you don't need an expensive closer when doing that. His lose stings because he was a fan favorite, but it was a smart business move and allowed to team to get rid of Melvin. netted: Austin Riley (with the 41st pick and is in the Braves top 10 prospects, who could be a good utility MLB player and 3rd base stop gap until Maitan arrives), Ian Krol (from Detroit for Maybin and looks to be a the bullpen lefty for a while), and Matt Wisler (potential top end rotation guy and already in the bigs and taking his lumps)
3) J Upton: have you seen his stat line this year? already over 110 strikeouts, only 9 home runs, hitting .235. Netted: Mallex Smith (probable CF starter for the future) Max Fried (top 10 prospect and likely top 3 rotation), the Petersons (utility and 4 OFer) and international pool money
4) Simmons: battling injuries and only played in about 50 games. Has turned the bat around a bit and hitting near .270. Netted: Aybar (yep, he stinks but there is some trade interest and maybe he can be flipped) Newcomb (#3 prospect, top 20 overall and top of the rotation potential), Ellis (killed AA and has struggled some in AAA, could be a back end rotation starter or possibly a dominant setup man)
5) Gattis: never had a position for the Braves and is tailor-made for the AL as a DH and spot starter at C and still barely hitting over .200. Netted: Folty (electric fastball that if he doesn't set on tee is dominant, see the White Sox game and likely a rotation mainstay), Ruiz (similar to Riley, 3b stop gap and potential utility, top 15 prospect regardless), and Thurman (probable bullpen arm with multiple pitches)
6) Alex Wood and Jose Peraza trade: yeah, let's just leave that as not working out for anyone except the Braves did get Joey Wentz in the draft this year with the pick obtained.

Let's not forget fleecing Arizona for Touki Toussaint either, for taking Arroyo from them and paying him. Touki has really turned it around this season and looks like the top 5 prospect and potential top of the rotation guy when he was drafted.

And some trades brought international pool money which allowed the Braves to stock up this year with a ton of positional talent and a couple pitchers. When reading the reports, don't forget that a lot of HS levels put the best player at SS and that most players that were signed don't have a true position yet.

I know that I just made my longest post in Warchant history, but I wanted to type it all out and show that there is a plan, and that if the trades weren't made, this team wouldn't be much better anyways with an even bleaker future than the current present and no financial flexibility. Look at this lineup and pitchers:

LF-undecided
CF-Smith or Acuna
RF-Inciarte
3B-Maitain
SS-Swanson
2B-Albies
1B-Freeman
C-undecided

LF and C are where the free agency money comes in or trading one of the 50 pitchers the Braves have now. One name up there you may not recognize is Acuna, he has STORMED on to the scene at Rome and has shown serious potential with the bat and fielding and base running, but lacks power. He will shoot up the prospect rankings when they are released in the mid-season re-rank.

SP: Teheran, Folty, Wisler, Blair, Newcomb, Allard, Toussaint, Jenkins (I still think he holds more value as a starter), Soroka, Fried, Sims (you know, the forgotten former #1 Braves prospect that is now about the #8 starting pitcher prospect), Anderson, Wentz, Muller
This list is huge and a couple will have to be traded off.

Bullpen: well, bullpen is always a crapshoot, but Alveraz, Cervenka, Krol and Cabrera (who hits 100 mph) look pretty decent currently, Vizcaino is a solid closer who could be moved, Withrow may be good too; in the minors: Gant, Bird, Morris and the ones mentioned above are all possible and show above average pitches.

Guys, the future looks bright. Just keep weathering the storm that is the 2016 season. Also, living in metro Atlanta and seeing some of the minor league teams has helped me a good bit.
Here's my question. Has JT peaked or do you think he's got a few good years left? During the performance enhancing era players would be good for the better part of a decade. I don't see that anymore. My thoughts are lets be real: the Braves won't be a division contender in 2017. I think .500 win percentage would be an optimistic expectation and a huge improvement obviously as we are just north of .330 currently and getting ready to move a few more pieces. Would you want to sell high on JT knowing by 2018 he probably won't be as good?
 
Greg Maddux's best years were from age 26-32.

Here is a write up about Julio Teheran's contract:

Julio is under contract through 2020 (counting the 2020 team option), but Julio is not set to make more than $10 million until 2019. The most expensive years for Julio’s current contract are 2019 ($11 million) and 2020 ($12 million). That certainly sounds like a lot of money but the salary of $12 million would put him as the 30th-highest paid pitcher this season. So the fact that Julio is not an ace is alright because he is not being paid as an ace.


Great young pitcher at a cheap price (in baseball terms).
 
Greg Maddux's best years were from age 26-32.

Here is a write up about Julio Teheran's contract:

Julio is under contract through 2020 (counting the 2020 team option), but Julio is not set to make more than $10 million until 2019. The most expensive years for Julio’s current contract are 2019 ($11 million) and 2020 ($12 million). That certainly sounds like a lot of money but the salary of $12 million would put him as the 30th-highest paid pitcher this season. So the fact that Julio is not an ace is alright because he is not being paid as an ace.


Great young pitcher at a cheap price (in baseball terms).
Greg Maddux also is the exception - not the rule. He, Glavine & Smoltz were a once in a lifetime rotation.
 
Greg Maddux also is the exception - not the rule. He, Glavine & Smoltz were a once in a lifetime rotation.

Well yea. But if you were afraid of Maddox peaking at 25 you would have not had that once in a lifetime rotation was my point. Around age 27 is considered peak age but that is where the experts earn their large salaries and us fans damn them if the are wrong and praise them if they end up correct. Most of the time your would rather trade a player a year too soon rather than a year too late so there is that going on too.

Interesting enough Maddux was traded to the Braves around age 26.
 
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Last night just felt like a game we were going to lose. Good thing for us the Reds wanted to win less.
 
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Great. Just great.

Braves All-Star Teheran leaves game with injury


DENVER – Braves pitcher Julio Teheran left Friday’s game against the Rockies in the fifth inning with tightness in the latissimus dorsi muscles on the right side of his back.

The Braves will likely wait a day or two to determine whether to place him on the 15-day disabled list, but interim manager Brian Snitker said he hoped Teheran avoided serious injury and could be back within a few days.

“Yeah, that’s the way I’m thinking about it,” Teheran said. “We’ll see how I feel tomorrow (Saturday). Hopefully it’s all clear, but we’ll see. We’ll take it day by day and hopefully I don’t have to miss a start or anything like that.”

http://www.ajc.com/news/sports/baseball/braves-all-star-teheran-leaves-game-with-injury/nr4BT/
 
The Braves made a trade and actually got a bat in return!!!!!
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Braves trade 2 pitchers for slugging prospect Demeritte from Winder
7:10 p.m. Wednesday, July 27, 2016 | Filed in: Braves


MINNEAPOLIS – Looking to add right-handed power to their organization, the Braves traded for infield prospect Travis Demeritte from the Texas Rangers on Wednesday in exchange for pitchers Lucas Harrell and left-handed reliever Dario Alvarez.

The Braves took two pitchers they got off the scrap heap earlier this season and used them to acquire Demeritte, a 21-year-old former first-round draft pick from Winder, Ga., who has 25 homers in 88 games in high-A ball and started at second base for the U.S. in this month’s All-Star Futures Game in San Diego.

“First rounder, local kid, so we’re fired up about it,” said Braves general manager John Coppolella, who finalized the deal Wednesday after Harrell’s six scoreless innings against the Twins on Tuesday night recharged the Rangers’ interest in the journeyman starter. “We have talked about trading pitching for hitting, and it’s a trade that does that.

http://www.ajc.com/news/sports/baseball/braves-trade-2-pitchers-for-slugging-prospect-deme/nr6DP/
 
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Scouting report on the kid.

http://www.talkingchop.com/2016/7/27/12304830/a-closer-look-at-new-braves-prospect-travis-demeritte

Not sure how to feel on the Uggla comparison lol.

I've seen people calling him Black Dan Uggla because of the power and all the strikeouts. I haven't read the links posted, but what I haven't seen mentioned in this thread is that he was popped for PEDs and suspended 80 games last year. Nevertheless, I like the trade: two pitchers that were picked up for cheap during the season turned into some other organizations top 20 prospect who is a position player.
 
What do you all think about Matt Wisler? He seems to range from a decent starter to awful with nothing real spectacular. Am I missing something and just catching him on off nights or do you see that too?
 
What do you all think about Matt Wisler? He seems to range from a decent starter to awful with nothing real spectacular. Am I missing something and just catching him on off nights or do you see that too?
You're not going to have to worry about catching him again for a while. He got sent down.

Braves send Wisler down to Gwinnett


The Braves often urge patience for their young pitchers. They caution that there will be some good and some bad as the former top prospects try to become legitimate starters in the big leagues.

But since June there has been a lot of awful for right-hander Matt Wisler, and the Braves ran out of patience. The Braves optioned Wisler to Triple-A Gwinnett after the Phillies roughed him up for a 7-5 victory on Thursday at Turner Field.

http://www.ajc.com/news/sports/baseball/braves-send-wisler-down-to-gwinnett/nr6q7/
 
I actually like this trade.
Padres, Braves in talks to swap Kemp, Olivera

By Mark Bowman / MLB.com | @mlbbowman | 30 minutes ago


ATLANTA -- The Braves and Padres are making progress toward completing a trade that would send Matt Kemp to Atlanta and Hector Olivera to San Diego.

Olivera was pulled from Triple-A Gwinnett's lineup before the start of Saturday night's game. If this trade is completed, the Padres would likely disavow themselves of at least a portion of Kemp's burdensome contract, and the Braves would realize their attempt to end their forgettable relationship with Olivera, who is currently serving an 82-game suspension that was levied after he was arrested for assaulting a female acquaintance in April.

Kemp has batted .262 with 23 home runs and .774 OPS through 100 games with the Padres this season. The 31-year-old outfielder is owed $21.5 million each of the next three seasons, but the Dodgers are responsible for $3.5 million of this salary on an annual basis.

Olivera has batted .245 with a .674 OPS in 30 career games at the big league level. The Padres were among the teams that actively pursued the Cuban outfielder when he stood as one of the most attractive players on last year's international market.

Mark Bowman is a reporter for MLB.com. Listen to his podcast. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.

http://m.mlb.com/news/article/192665012/matt-kemp-hector-olivera-could-be-swapped/
 
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Looks like a good trade to me. Can we get anything for Cervenka? Right now I would trade him for a hot dog vendor.
 
Interesting, in light of reading yesterday he just put his McMansion up for sale here in the 'burbs. He apparently doesn't expect to be here long if he does come.
 
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