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The equal time was the other cop hating thread.and in the interest of equal time, another potentially unarmed suspect murdered by cops...I'll withhold judgment until all the facts are in, but this story doesn't sound good...
https://gma.yahoo.com/texas-sheriff...-man-arms-160234345--abc-news-topstories.html
Happened just up the road from me. Sounds like he was chasing them on foot and they decided to stop and fight him. Got his gun and shot him. Awful situation.and in the interest of equal time, another potentially unarmed suspect murdered by cops...I'll withhold judgment until all the facts are in, but this story doesn't sound good...
https://gma.yahoo.com/texas-sheriff...-man-arms-160234345--abc-news-topstories.html
Try to pay attention, we already discussed that.Police raid wrong house, while having no warrant for any house, shoot homeowner, shoot his dog, shoot one of their own officers and then try to pin shooting of officer on homeowner by lying on police reports. bau
http://countercurrentnews.com/2015/09/wrong-house-again-swat/
Try to pay attention, we already discussed that.
Again, take it the other cop hating thread or over to big deliveryMany more stories like that one each day
http://filmingcops.com/every-day-12...ided-by-officers-lets-save-the-4th-amendment/
take it the other cop hating thread
Could've fooled me. I only see you posting crap. This board has become one big cop hating circle jerk.No one here hates police. We want honest police that follow the laws they are sworn to enforce and not be above the law. We want the so called "good cops," that we keep hearing most cops are, to do something about the bumper crop of horiffically bad cops that have surfaced since everyone started carrying smart phones.
Could've fooled me. I only see you posting crap. This board has become one big cop hating circle jerk.
I know I wouldn't want to be. Crap pay and crap people with crap throwing haters all around.Sheesh that is a lot of dead cops over the last few days. Who the heck would ever want to be a cop...
To be fair far more people are unnecessarily killed by cops tha vice versa but I don't think anyone wants to clog the board up by keeping the thread count proportional.The equal time was the other cop hating thread.
Any statistical data to support that theory or are you just choosing to become part of the problem and not part of the solution?To be fair far more people are unnecessarily killed by cops tha vice versa but I don't think anyone wants to clog the board up by keeping the thread count proportional.
Also that's not a cop hating thread. I called the shooter a doofus and said we need to pay and train cops better so we can recruit more qualified individuals.
There's no hate in that, I'm trying to give cops more money and better training - where's the hate?!?!
This is an awful and sad thing to have to look up, but to-date the 2015 count is as follows:Any statistical data to support that theory or are you just choosing to become part of the problem and not part of the solution?
The key word I took issue with in your original post was "unnecessarily". You have no data to back that up. Sometimes, it is necessary to shoot an unarmed person. Their life or yours...This is an awful and sad thing to have to look up, but to-date the 2015 count is as follows:
Unarmed people killed by police: 161
Police killed by gunfire(incl accidental)+assault+vehicular assault: 32
As far as not becoming part of the solution - if you look at my post, which you quoted, I said (twice) that we need to pay and train cops better. IMO that qualifies as part of the solution.
Perhaps it makes more sense to increase the starting pay, in order to create a more competitive applicant pool, and slightly lower things on the other side -- or we pony up the tax dollars to properly pay these guys from start to finish -- I'd be happy to pay extra taxes to get ourselves a more qualified and well trained police force.Starting pay for cops may be on the low side, but those who make it a career end up in pretty nice shape financially.
That's purely subjective, without reviewing all 193 (cop and civilian) cases myself I can't get you that data - I'm not of the opinion that every case that ought to have been prosecuted was prosecuted.The key word I took issue with in your original post was "unnecessarily". You have no data to back that up. Sometimes, it is necessary to shoot an unarmed person. Their life or yours...
That was precisely the point I was making as well. Totally subjective and we can't specifically say more people are "unnecessarily" killed by cops than cops killed.That's purely subjective, without reviewing all 193 (cop and civilian) cases myself I can't get you that data - I'm not of the opinion that every case that ought to have been prosecuted was prosecuted.
The US is near a 40 year low in violent crimes, police need to be walking the streets and not policing from inside a car. Better training may stop your invented "their life or yours" binary conundrum. The goal is not to shoot because legally you can, it's to not shoot period unless your life is legit in imminent danger.
If those slogans worked, we wouldn't need cops at all. We could lay the whole lot of them off.When we have _____ lives matter slogans, it's too late. Why not #respecteachother or #havemanners or better yet, #parentsdoyourjob!!!
I'm a little slow on technology, but I was wondering if videos can be simultaneously uploaded as taken to "the cloud" so that there would still be video when officers seize phones of those who are merely taking video? If so, I think that, plus dashboard and body cams are a good idea. When stuff goes south in a hurry, there can be vastly different stories of what happens. Being able to see the truth protects good citizens and good cops and reveals bad citizens and bad cops. I'm definitely not for a big brother state where the state monitors and records all, but interactions between LEO and citizens, caught on video by the state or citizens will sort out a lot of the BS.
There are several...I'm a little slow on technology, but I was wondering if videos can be simultaneously uploaded as taken to "the cloud" so that there would still be video when officers seize phones of those who are merely taking video? If so, I think that, plus dashboard and body cams are a good idea. When stuff goes south in a hurry, there can be vastly different stories of what happens. Being able to see the truth protects good citizens and good cops and reveals bad citizens and bad cops. I'm definitely not for a big brother state where the state monitors and records all, but interactions between LEO and citizens, caught on video by the state or citizens will sort out a lot of the BS.
Perhaps it makes more sense to increase the starting pay, in order to create a more competitive applicant pool, and slightly lower things on the other side -- or we pony up the tax dollars to properly pay these guys from start to finish -- I'd be happy to pay extra taxes to get ourselves a more qualified and well trained police force.
My dad was with the NYPD for 20 years from '63-'83. He retired as a Sgt. and I believe his pension was 50% of his salary plus all the medical benefits for the rest of his life. It all goes away when he dies and doesn't transfer to my mother. From what I understand, those figures have been cut back in recent years as NYC has struggled to fund pensions for all its civil servants. Dad never shot any unarmed brown people (that I'm aware of).If you don't think career police officers do not make money then you are mistaken. Most of the these guys, granted in bigger more populated areas are bringing in 60k on average. A lot more are making between that and 100k. Then you have some higher ranking guys making above that. Don't forget that sweet lifetime pension that gives you most of the same salary you made forever plus benefits, retirement funds, bonus' and the ability to come back on the force after retiring. Spare me the cops don't make enough posts. It's just not true.
Point of reference: my cousin is a officer with NYPD and makes around 100k/yr especially with the bonus' and overtime. He explained what they get paid, benefits, retirement funds, lump payments after retirement and their pension to me. They are doing just fine.
I think there's prob a happy medium between the folks that are currently becoming cops and people going to med school -- there are after all plenty of non-cop non-doctors in this country. Luckily it's not all or noneHow does being a cop become more "attractive" if you increase their pay by the few thousand bucks that is the maximum that would ever be financially feasible? The sad reality is that it is a miserable gig that appeals only to a limited pool of folks. I just don't see many people saying "oh, screw med school....now that cops are making that extra $7K, I'm going that route." And even if paying more money attracted better candidates, it will still take 20+ years to overhaul the entire workforce.
In the article posted above about cops arresting people recording video, it says that the NYCLU has an App for people to instantly upload any video to a central server that way if the phone gets seized or video erased it is still stored somewhere else. I'm sure there are plenty of other App or options for something just like this to store video.I'm a little slow on technology, but I was wondering if videos can be simultaneously uploaded as taken to "the cloud" so that there would still be video when officers seize phones of those who are merely taking video? If so, I think that, plus dashboard and body cams are a good idea. When stuff goes south in a hurry, there can be vastly different stories of what happens. Being able to see the truth protects good citizens and good cops and reveals bad citizens and bad cops. I'm definitely not for a big brother state where the state monitors and records all, but interactions between LEO and citizens, caught on video by the state or citizens will sort out a lot of the BS.