refuted, but where does the coach go to get his reputation back?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...astner-sexual-assault-claims-false/668795002/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...astner-sexual-assault-claims-false/668795002/
Another false allegation
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Not sure OP, maybe Mons! I go there to get my mojo back sometimes.
This coach should really sue the ass off the accuser; but, no, the Nerd School will want him to just let everything go away with no paying attention.
false accusations proven as such the individual should be in prison and sued.
Suing will likely net nothing but more negative publicity. False accusers should go to jail.
As long as it can be 100% proven that it's a false accusation. Otherwise you're going to have situations where a woman has been assaulted, finally comes clean but the person she accuses has a much better lawyer, he's found not guilty and then he tries to punish her for dare speaking out by pushing for her to go to jail. Talk about silencing victims.
There definitely does need to be a real punishment for those who knowingly advance a false story that never happened as it will lead more women to simply be ignored again.
To end a false accuser to jail, you'd have to try them, and in doing so you'd have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a) the accusation was false and b) the accuser made the accusation knowing it was false.
Which by default would be a trial of the accused as well.
Not sure if the GT fella really wants to go that route or just let things simmer down.
The story I heard on the radio here used the word "extortion"; if that's the case, this needs to be in court, and quickly.
Here's more details, showing even more why he needs to pursue these jokers. I was unaware he'd already sued them for defamation, which triggered their response.
https://www.ajc.com/news/breaking-n...orate-con-report-says/3APpn0FGB0ZbHhaoV8eEdO/
https://www.ajc.com/news/breaking-n...orate-con-report-says/3APpn0FGB0ZbHhaoV8eEdO/
Sounds similarly difficult to trying to prove a sexual assault did in fact occur.
You're right, of course, but I would think the process is already underway, regardless of his filing a defamation suit. It appears clear that she filed a false police report and gave false testimony to investigators under oath. Perjury. If she is convicted of those charges, I would think she would spend jail time. If not that is where the laws need to be modified to set higher jail sentencing for knowing filing a false police report and committing perjury in support of a knowingly false complaint of a felony.
I think the perjury charge would be the right and easier charge to go after as it doesn't require disproving the entirety of the allegation.
False accusers should face the maximum penalties those they accused would have received. That also goes for cops who give false testimony and prosecutors who knowingly use false evidence or withhold evidence that would exonerate the accused.
I think it's also worth considering for every "false" claim that goes out, there are likely 100 claims that should be made that never are. It's the same as when I hear people complaining about reverse discrimination who don't realize that for every time you see a minority get a job you felt was undeserved due to affirmative action that there are literally hundreds if not thousands of times the reverse has happened before that law.
It's not perfect, and people who make false claims here are damaging women and men and should be prosecuted, but let's not pretend like this is some rampant thing that women are just constantly using false claims as a weapon.
It's not perfect, and people who make false claims here are damaging women and men and should be prosecuted, but let's not pretend like this is some rampant thing that women are just constantly using false claims as a weapon.
There are stats out that exaggerate either side of the issue. There is one that claims 1 in 4 college girls are sexually assaulted (it's repeated a lot but stems from one survey) and there is also a study that found nearly half the claims of sexual assault are false. Both sides push the extreme examples and the truth lies somewhere in between.
The important thing is that in America one is innocent until proven guilty. That should apply to both sides. All too often now people are willing to forgo due process, not because of preponderance of evidence, but simply because the alleged crime is so heinous.
Yes it is true that some of these crimes go unreported, but it's also true that men's lives have been ruined because of false allegations. Outside of marshall law and massive invasions of privacy for surveillance the problem can never be totally solved. Aiming for that solution inevitably leads to extreme and usually unconstitutional acts. We really do have to accept that we can't eliminate all problems and it's more important to not make things worse by tilting the justice system one way or the other, while also recognizing that ruining someone's life over an accusation is every bit as wrong and bad as the crime itself. That doesn't mean we can't do anything, it simply means the justice system shouldn't be weaponized to one agenda. It should remain impartial.
It's also like when I hear people claim that hate crimes/racism only work in one direction. Clearly the statistics don't support that.
It is a tough call on both sides and both sides use "facts" that they like to make their case. My son's best friend was date raped by a friend of theirs. She went to the hospital about 2 hours after what LE says is acceptable for the rape kit to be evidence. We found out later it was the 2nd time he had done this. The first time his family paid off the other family and they didn't want the publicity for their daughter. No one knew about the first case until the 2nd, because of the legal agreement. Anyways so this kid has done it twice and nothing has happened.
Come to find out only 6% of sexual assaults in Beaufort County are prosecuted. That is crazy.
Anyways if it can be proven it was a false allegation then their should be punishment; which seems to be the case here. Most of the time though you won't be able to prove it without a doubt. Look at JW he could go onto win 10 SB's, 6 time MVP and save 1 million people from death; at the end of the day 1/2 the nation will think he is a rapist. Even though he was cleared in 4 separate events.
I know people laughed at VP Pence not going anywhere with a female alone; but I do that too. In part because of how the military taught us to interact with females and in part you just never know; and even if you are completely innocent the accusation alone is crippling.
Come to find out only 6% of sexual assaults in Beaufort County are prosecuted. That is crazy.
Anyways if it can be proven it was a false allegation then their should be punishment; which seems to be the case here. Most of the time though you won't be able to prove it without a doubt. Look at JW he could go onto win 10 SB's, 6 time MVP and save 1 million people from death; at the end of the day 1/2 the nation will think he is a rapist. Even though he was cleared in 4 separate events.
I know people laughed at VP Pence not going anywhere with a female alone; but I do that too. In part because of how the military taught us to interact with females and in part you just never know; and even if you are completely innocent the accusation alone is crippling.
The 1 in 4 statistic is completely bogus and people really hurt their cases when they use those types of statistics to bolster their case. But it doesn't mean it's not a really big problem. The stat I've seen that seemed more realistic was 1 in 10 women had been assaulted in some way. The 1 in 4 stat included women who regretted it the next day but were not coerced in any manner. Making a bad decision isn't assault even though some would like it to be.
With that said, it's still a huge problem that our country has not only ignored, but silently allowed for far too long. We'll likely see the pendulum swing a bit too far in the other direction while we try to course correct, but that's the process with any major course correction. I'm just happy to finally see people being held accountable. I'm especially happy to see that even the church is facing it as I was convinced they'd be able to continue to sweep it under the rug. They're trying, but things like the Paige Patterson issue with the SBC are forcing it into the open.
With that said, it's still a huge problem that our country has not only ignored, but silently allowed for far too long. We'll likely see the pendulum swing a bit too far in the other direction while we try to course correct, but that's the process with any major course correction. I'm just happy to finally see people being held accountable. I'm especially happy to see that even the church is facing it as I was convinced they'd be able to continue to sweep it under the rug. They're trying, but things like the Paige Patterson issue with the SBC are forcing it into the open.
Good post
I think the pendulum is already swinging back a bit. People are not rushing to judgment like before on some of the more questionable claims. That's a good thing.
