Chip Kelly is reportedly uf's new HC.

[FSUTribe76]

Tribe, are you saying Charles K is a good coach and deserves to stay based on the 3.8 quarters against Alabama?

Deserves to stay no based on that, no, but G5s logic applying to one game to say Jimbo isn’t a great coach is laughable. I guess Nick wasn’t a great coach when he lost to Louisiana Monroe 21-14. Nick Saban was clearly outcoached by 6-6 Charles Weatherbie when Bama lost at home.

But yes, to some extent Charles Kelly is getting a bad rap. Statistically his defenses have been ranked nationally on par with most FSU seasons excluding the rare ones where we win Natty’s. So it’s not like he’s some horrible coach bringing the team down. Do I think he’s great? No, statistically he’s yet to produce a great Natty level Defense but it’s adequate. Do I like his style of Defense? No, I prefer a headhunting, ballhawking style of “reckless” D that relies on Florida athletes to outrun their opposition rather than a more bend not break style. But he’s not the main problem by any stretch.

The main problems as far as I’m concerned is our weaknesses at QB and WR both due to recruiting misses, bad luck and some bad coaching (on the WR) side. Even our much mocked OL problems I don’t think are 100% or even primarily Trickett’s fault versus WRs who can’t get open and run appropriate routes and back to back freshman QBs who don’t fully understand the offense and thus hold on to the ball WAY too long. If we fixed the QB and WR problems suddenly our OLine looks miles better and suddenly the Defense is not on the field constantly with low morale because the O is useless.

 

[NoleLizards]

CK's defense definitely doesn't pass the "eye test" by repeatedly giving up first downs on 3rd and ridiculously longs.

 

[DanC78]

Deserves to stay no based on that, no, but G5s logic applying to one game to say Jimbo isn’t a great coach is laughable. I guess Nick wasn’t a great coach when he lost to Louisiana Monroe 21-14. Nick Saban was clearly outcoached by 6-6 Charles Weatherbie when Bama lost at home.

But yes, to some extent Charles Kelly is getting a bad rap. Statistically his defenses have been ranked nationally on par with most FSU seasons excluding the rare ones where we win Natty’s. So it’s not like he’s some horrible coach bringing the team down. Do I think he’s great? No, statistically he’s yet to produce a great Natty level Defense but it’s adequate. Do I like his style of Defense? No, I prefer a headhunting, ballhawking style of “reckless” D that relies on Florida athletes to outrun their opposition rather than a more bend not break style. But he’s not the main problem by any stretch.

The main problems as far as I’m concerned is our weaknesses at QB and WR both due to recruiting misses, bad luck and some bad coaching (on the WR) side. Even our much mocked OL problems I don’t think are 100% or even primarily Trickett’s fault versus WRs who can’t get open and run appropriate routes and back to back freshman QBs who don’t fully understand the offense and thus hold on to the ball WAY too long. If we fixed the QB and WR problems suddenly our OLine looks miles better and suddenly the Defense is not on the field constantly with low morale because the O is useless.

All your points are valid.

But there is a culture problem with C.K. It’s not about wins or statistics, etc. it’s about the players being unsure of themselves.

Pughs comments to media is a direct reflection of the poor culture that has been created.

Jimbo having to fish for answers last year on “The Season With the Seminoles” is a direct reflection of the poor culture.

Now...could Jimbo be let go...you’re dang straight. But is he salvageable if we reload with new coaches? Yes, I believe so. But let’s be clear that Jimbo is a goner id next season goes like this season with new assistant coaching.

But again, with Kelly...he is an average D Cord, and with that I don’t believe he has what it takes to turn the culture and mindsets if the players around by next season. We need new perspectives from all position coaches and cordinators. The only coach I care for is ODell and Brewster. The rest have proven to be average, and that’s not going to cut it, the players deserve better.

 

[DFSNOLE]

4 loss a year coach? Even using averages, Jimbo is not a 4 loss a year HC. We celebrate a coach that has won two Orange Bowls and a BCS National Championship. It is obvious that Jimbo needs to make changes, but he is better than what you paint him as.

Very true. The level of self-loathing among FSU fans is laughable.

 

[FSUTribe76]

Tribe, are you saying Charles K is a good coach and deserves to stay based on the 3.8 quarters against Alabama?

So here’s some more in Defense of Charles Kelly. Despite playing 3 of the top 4 teams in the country and having to play opposite an offense that is anemic enough it ALMOST makes the Gators look competent, FSU is ranked 30th in total Defense (and will only go up after playing the Gators). FSU was 22nd in 2016, 19th in 2015 and was 63rd in 2014 when we lost a ton of talent following the Natty season.

From 2011-2013 we had some great defensive coaching and players so we were in the top 5 every year during that run. But in 2010 we were 42nd, in 2009 we were 108th!, in 2008 were back up to 15th, in 2007 we were 35th, in 2006 we were 37th, 2005 we were 25th, we then had two great defenses again 2004 and 2003 where we were top 5 again but 2002 we were 32nd and in 2001 we were 65th.

 

[LikeaG5]

Deserves to stay no based on that, no, but G5s logic applying to one game to say Jimbo isn’t a great coach is laughable. I guess Nick wasn’t a great coach when he lost to Louisiana Monroe 21-14. Nick Saban was clearly outcoached by 6-6 Charles Weatherbie when Bama lost at home.

But yes, to some extent Charles Kelly is getting a bad rap. Statistically his defenses have been ranked nationally on par with most FSU seasons excluding the rare ones where we win Natty’s. So it’s not like he’s some horrible coach bringing the team down. Do I think he’s great? No, statistically he’s yet to produce a great Natty level Defense but it’s adequate. Do I like his style of Defense? No, I prefer a headhunting, ballhawking style of “reckless” D that relies on Florida athletes to outrun their opposition rather than a more bend not break style. But he’s not the main problem by any stretch.

The main problems as far as I’m concerned is our weaknesses at QB and WR both due to recruiting misses, bad luck and some bad coaching (on the WR) side. Even our much mocked OL problems I don’t think are 100% or even primarily Trickett’s fault versus WRs who can’t get open and run appropriate routes and back to back freshman QBs who don’t fully understand the offense and thus hold on to the ball WAY too long. If we fixed the QB and WR problems suddenly our OLine looks miles better and suddenly the Defense is not on the field constantly with low morale because the O is useless.

My logic isn't based off one game that Pruitt is better at running a defense than Fisher is at running an offense but we shall agree to disagree on that much like expecting whoever the heck the sitting coach at Oregon to win national championships. Provided he be there for fours years it seems.

And Saban inherited a steaming pile of dog crap at Bama and quickly changed that his second year that you skipped over. You probably don't want to bring up the talent Jimbo took from Bobby when he was coach in waiting.

 

[DFSNOLE]

Deserves to stay no based on that, no, but G5s logic applying to one game to say Jimbo isn’t a great coach is laughable. I guess Nick wasn’t a great coach when he lost to Louisiana Monroe 21-14. Nick Saban was clearly outcoached by 6-6 Charles Weatherbie when Bama lost at home.

But yes, to some extent Charles Kelly is getting a bad rap. Statistically his defenses have been ranked nationally on par with most FSU seasons excluding the rare ones where we win Natty’s. So it’s not like he’s some horrible coach bringing the team down. Do I think he’s great? No, statistically he’s yet to produce a great Natty level Defense but it’s adequate. Do I like his style of Defense? No, I prefer a headhunting, ballhawking style of “reckless” D that relies on Florida athletes to outrun their opposition rather than a more bend not break style. But he’s not the main problem by any stretch.

The main problems as far as I’m concerned is our weaknesses at QB and WR both due to recruiting misses, bad luck and some bad coaching (on the WR) side. Even our much mocked OL problems I don’t think are 100% or even primarily Trickett’s fault versus WRs who can’t get open and run appropriate routes and back to back freshman QBs who don’t fully understand the offense and thus hold on to the ball WAY too long. If we fixed the QB and WR problems suddenly our OLine looks miles better and suddenly the Defense is not on the field constantly with low morale because the O is useless.

It wasn't the defense that lost the game to Alabama. Unless CK was also the special team's coach in that game, he and his defense were not at fault. Even Bama writers acknowledged that.

Florida State was Alabama’s equal in 2 of 3 phases. That was nowhere near enough

On Saturday in Atlanta, the Tide averaged just 4.5 yards per play against an opposing defense similar to those from 2016. Sure, part of that was circumstantial; before those cautious 24 snaps, the Tide were averaging 5.7 per play. But they had generated 87 of their 205 yards on two plays. They were woefully inefficient from the start.

Those five second-half Bama possessions beginning in FSU territory? They generated a combined 13 points. FSU didn’t have Clemson’s offensive tempo on Saturday, but it had even more defensive success.

In an alternate universe, that would have been the story line: FSU living up to its potential and matching Alabama’s physicality and athleticism step for step.

https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2017/9/4/16251302/alabama-florida-state-2017-jalen-hurts

 

[FSUTribe76]

All your points are valid.

But there is a culture problem with C.K. It’s not about wins or statistics, etc. it’s about the players being unsure of themselves.

Pughs comments to media is a direct reflection of the poor culture that has been created.

Jimbo having to fish for answers last year on “The Season With the Seminoles” is a direct reflection of the poor culture.

Now...could Jimbo be let go...you’re dang straight. But is he salvageable if we reload with new coaches? Yes, I believe so. But let’s be clear that Jimbo is a goner id next season goes like this season with new assistant coaching.

But again, with Kelly...he is an average D Cord, and with that I don’t believe he has what it takes to turn the culture and mindsets if the players around by next season. We need new perspectives from all position coaches and cordinators. The only coach I care for is ODell and Brewster. The rest have proven to be average, and that’s not going to cut it, the players deserve better.

There is no doubt we need new, younger and more diverse (PC slang for coaches who look like the players) blood in the assistant ranks. But even if Jimbo has another bad season I doubt WE cut ties with him. The buyout is too much and there will be plenty of reasons next year’s team will not be a National Title contender (primarily because we can fix the QB holding on to the ball and getting sacked somewhat by another year of improvement in our relatively young OL and in our freshman and sophomore QBs but our WR situation does not look to be improving only worsening).

 

[FSUTribe76]

My logic isn't based off one game that Pruitt is better at running a defense than Fisher is at running an offense but we shall agree to disagree on that much like expecting whoever the heck the sitting coach at Oregon to win national championships. Provided he be there for fours years it seems.

And Saban inherited a steaming pile of dog crap at Bama and quickly changed that his second year that you skipped over. You probably don't want to bring up the talent Jimbo took from Bobby when he was coach in waiting.

What miraculous talent did Bobby leave behind? The seniors were from a class ranked 20th, juniors from a 12th ranked class, Sophs from a class ranked 11th and then the freshman primarily recruited by Jimbo at 8th. And that was in a time period where we kept taking players too dumb to get in just to keep our class ranking artificially high.

 

[LikeaG5]

What miraculous talent did Bobby leave behind? The seniors were from a class ranked 20th, juniors from a 12th ranked class, Sophs from a class ranked 11th and then the freshman primarily recruited by Jimbo at 8th. And that was in a time period where we kept taking players too dumb to get in just to keep our class ranking artificially high.

Only about a dozen future NFL players. Usually Jimbo fan boys like dragging Bobby down for some odd reason. Don't know why when for 3 seasons the offense led by Jimbo wasn't anything to brag about.

 

[QuaZ2002]

My logic isn't based off one game that Pruitt is better at running a defense than Fisher is at running an offense but we shall agree to disagree on that much like expecting whoever the heck the sitting coach at Oregon to win national championships. Provided he be there for fours years it seems.

And Saban inherited a steaming pile of dog crap at Bama and quickly changed that his second year that you skipped over. You probably don't want to bring up the talent Jimbo took from Bobby when he was coach in waiting.

Um, we didn't inherit much talent at all from Bobby. Name the players on that 2010 team that ended up in the NFL. There aren't many. Jimbo completely reloaded that roster.

 

[DanC78]

So here’s some more in Defense of Charles Kelly. Despite playing 3 of the top 4 teams in the country and having to play opposite an offense that is anemic enough it ALMOST makes the Gators look competent, FSU is ranked 30th in total Defense (and will only go up after playing the Gators). FSU was 22nd in 2016, 19th in 2015 and was 63rd in 2014 when we lost a ton of talent following the Natty season.

From 2011-2013 we had some great defensive coaching and players so we were in the top 5 every year during that run. But in 2010 we were 42nd, in 2009 we were 108th!, in 2008 were back up to 15th, in 2007 we were 35th, in 2006 we were 37th, 2005 we were 25th, we then had two great defenses again 2004 and 2003 where we were top 5 again but 2002 we were 32nd and in 2001 we were 65th.

Outside of the buyout....I'd be shocked if Jimbo makes it past next season if we have the same type of year. We stunk it up this year....completely embarrassed ourselves. With UM back on the scene and UF hiring new coaches, we can't afford to take a back seat.

Again, this is only if we are sitting here looking at a team that is 4-6 come this time next year. I just do not see how he would survive another year if that were the case.

 

[FSUTribe76]

Um, we didn't inherit much talent at all from Bobby. Name the players on that 2010 team that ended up in the NFL. There aren't many. Jimbo completely reloaded that roster.

Exactly. In the two years before a whopping four players were drafted. Then in 2010 3 players were drafted and in 2011 another 3 players were drafted. In 2012 4 players were drafted but none higher than than the 4th round. It wasn’t until 2013 aka Jimbo’s 4th year that we got a ton of talent drafted but nearly all of those were Jimbo recruits not Bobby’s.

 

[gcnole]

It will be interesting to see If Chip Kelly can make it work again in college. His system was a bust in the NFL. Had some early on success but seemed once the Defense Coordinators caught on, it was lights out for Kelly. I also think Kelly’s seemingly stubborn ego really bit him in the behind.

 

[surfnole]

Yes he is. The next time we play Bama we need to petition to play for 3.8 quarters. The other .2 Saban is better than Kelly so we don't want to play 4, obviously.

And the next time we play Miami or NC State... And only 3.5 quarters for Clemson

 

[Finance85]

It will be interesting to see how the NCAA, and whatever conference Chip lands, deal with the show cause letter.

 

[FSUTribe76]

CK's defense definitely doesn't pass the "eye test" by repeatedly giving up first downs on 3rd and ridiculously longs.

That perceptions stems more from bias of our losing record than reality. Everyone won’t shut up about how great Miami’s Defense is, the turnover chain etc... But we’re 54th in 3rd down Defense and they are 56th. And we’ve played a much harder schedule than they have. Yet Matty Diaz is up for coordinator of the year and some FSU fans are going to throw a protest if Kelly isn’t immediately fired.

Also we’re 18th in giving up first downs while Miami is tied for 49th. So we’ve given up far less first downs than they have despite a much easier schedule for them.

 

[Finance85]

That perceptions stems more from bias of our losing record than reality. Everyone won’t shut up about how great Miami’s Defense is, the turnover chain etc... But we’re 54th in 3rd down Defense and they are 56th. And we’ve played a much harder schedule than they have. Yet Matty Diaz is up for coordinator of the year and some FSU fans are going to throw a protest if Kelly isn’t immediately fired.

Also we’re 18th in giving up first downs while Miami is tied for 49th. So we’ve given up far less first downs than they have despite a much easier schedule for them.

Head to head, Miami came back and beat Charles Kelly's defense when it mattered.

Kelly's "multiple" scheme confuses the players. It's not working. A change is needed.

Stat's are misleading. Would you like to look at turnovers? Sacks?

The only stat that matters is wins and losses.

 

[DFSNOLE]

Head to head, Miami came back and beat Charles Kelly's defense when it mattered.

Kelly's "multiple" scheme confuses the players. It's not working. A change is needed.

Stat's are misleading. Would you like to look at turnovers? Sacks?

The only stat that matters is wins and losses.

So last year's 10-3 record which included wins over both in state rivals, the Orange Bowl and a #8 final ranking means he was a quality coordinator then?

 

[Finance85]

So last year's 10-3 record which included wins over both in state rivals, the Orange Bowl and a #8 final ranking means he was a quality coordinator then?

Circumstances change. Players change. Last year was definitely different. The first half of last year was also pretty bad. That said, we had sacks, and we got turnovers.

This year we have lots of returning upper classmen, and there's still lots of confusion about assignments. This kind of talent needs to be allowed to play.

 

[cmanole]

So last year's 10-3 record which included wins over both in state rivals, the Orange Bowl and a #8 final ranking means he was a quality coordinator then?

 

[DFSNOLE]

It ain't like we're talking KISS.

 

[SeaPA]

I don’t think Kelly is horrible, I think he’s mediocre. Based on the caliber f players he has at his disposal (gauged by both recruiting rankings and likelihood of guys playing in the NFL) the results he gets are substandard. I also don’t like his philosophy, I would prefer to play more of an attacking style. I hope we make a change at that position.

 

[gcnole]

I don’t think Kelly is horrible, I think he’s mediocre. Based on the caliber f players he has at his disposal (gauged by both recruiting rankings and likelihood of guys playing in the NFL) the results he gets are substandard. I also don’t like his philosophy, I would prefer to play more of an attacking style. I hope we make a change at that position.

I agree with this whole heartily. I think Kelly is a good guy and not a horrible coach but with the talent FSU has on that side of the ball, we should be much much better

 

[Gonolz]

I don’t think Kelly is horrible, I think he’s mediocre. Based on the caliber f players he has at his disposal (gauged by both recruiting rankings and likelihood of guys playing in the NFL) the results he gets are substandard. I also don’t like his philosophy, I would prefer to play more of an attacking style. I hope we make a change at that position.

This. I could live with it if other teams picked up long scores and first downs because we were being aggressive as part of our scheme. However, I don't think a well-coached team should be giving up big plays because players don't know where they are supposed to be or long drives because the DC calls for the D to lay back and give huge cushions and gaps underneath.

 

[billanole]

Absolutely spot on post. How Frost isn't getting fired for not winning a title instead of being wanted is beyond me. We need more rivals 250 players here to compete.

Kinda tired.

 

[RangerNole]

This. I could live with it if other teams picked up long scores and first downs because we were being aggressive as part of our scheme. However, I don't think a well-coached team should be giving up big plays because players don't know where they are supposed to be or long drives because the DC calls for the D to lay back and give huge cushions and gaps underneath.

Spot on. Your performance is based on he tools you have as much as how well you are actually doing. Go back in time and read what was said about our Defense this year, how many draft picks etc. Yet we give up 3rd and longs like they 2nd and 1 foot. Even D State got a couple of 3rd and forever conversions. Personally I have no issues with CK; but sorry he needs to go; with the talent he has on the roster we should be much better on D. Not to mention this style, scheme or whatever is not working. If we are giving up a huge play as the QB is getting crushed and the WR makes an incredible catch, fine but that is not what is happening. Opposing players are hanging out eating a sandwich waiting for the ball.

 

[DFSNOLE]

Kinda tired.

Kinda? Very.

 

[FSUTribe76]

https://www.yahoo.com/amphtml/sport...widen-search-beyond-chip-kelly-200936146.html

"Florida officials remain engaged with Chip Kelly about becoming the next football coach of the Gators, but the school is preparing to widen its search, multiple sources told Yahoo Sports."

 

[billanole]

Kinda? Very.

The drum must be nearly worn out. That parade is unimpressive.

 

[seminole97]

Everyone won’t shut up about how great Miami’s Defense is, the turnover chain etc... But we’re 54th in 3rd down Defense and they are 56th.

Leading the nation in turnovers per game with 2.7 compares nicely to the 1.0 FSU is managing.

Also we’re 18th in giving up first downs while Miami is tied for 49th. So we’ve given up far less first downs than they have despite a much easier schedule for them.

Kind of a weird measure when you look back at drives where we couldn't even force a third down, much less a third down stop.
We do edge them by .05% (yes, 5 hundredths of a percent) in defensive third down conversion rate (we're tied with Western Michigan for 54th in the nation!), so we've got that going for us...

 

[FSUTribe76]

https://landryfootball.com/ucla-administration-chief-donor-make-pitch-chip-kelly/

“Chip Kelly has met with UCLA’s athletic administration and by all accounts the meeting went very well.

The meeting included athletic director Dan Guerrero, senior athletic director Josh Rebholz and chief Bruin athletics donor Casey Wasserman.

Wasserman shelled out $20 million to build UCLA a new football facility and has vowed to provide the funding to improve the school’s football program.

The group has it’s eyes set on Kelly and Guerrero met with his agent on Sunday, the same day he fired Mora.

Kelly is also considering an offer from Florida, as officials from Gainesville met with Kelly on Sunday.

I believe that Kelly is weighing the better national prowess of the Florida program vs the lesser profile UCLA where he can focus on the coaching aspect which he loves and does not have to deal with as much outside influences or dealing with various booster outlets.”

 

[BelemNole]

He'd be a fool to take the UF job over the UCLA position. Similar facilities less crazy booster pressure.

 

[LesClaypool]

He'd be a fool to take the UF job over the UCLA position. Similar facilities less crazy booster pressure.

Umm..also...live in So Cal...or live in Gainesville. If he's married, you can bet his wife might have something to say about that.

 

[LesClaypool]

Rodeo drive...or the Oaks Mall?

 

[NoleLizards]

Rodeo drive...or the Oaks Mall?

 

[surfnole]

Living life large in LA versus Gainesville? No decision to be made there. LA would be a fantastic place to live if you could buy your way out of the daily grind stuff, which he could. A nice house in Rancho Palos Verdes overlooking the Pacific.

Being the best state to recruit talent? If football is your only goal, UF.

 

[DFSNOLE]

Living life large in LA versus Gainesville? No decision to be made there. LA would be a fantastic place to live if you could buy your way out of the daily grind stuff, which he could. A nice house in Rancho Palos Verdes overlooking the Pacific.

Being the best state to recruit talent? If football is your only goal, UF.

I don't think Florida has anything over California when it comes to a recruiting base.

 

[Finance85]

Money will have to be better at UCLA. Way higher cost of living in SoCal, and high state income tax as well. Probably a 15% - 20% salary premium.

 

[phideltflg]

I don't think Florida has anything over California when it comes to a recruiting base.

Dude, FL produces more D1 talent than CA with half the population.