Accurate data, to the extent possible, provides the basis for planning and good decisions going forward.
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I am a programmer, I understand the difference between real data and contrived data as well as accurate data versus in accurate data. But, you guys are ignoring the sheer enormity of this based on the information coming in from these areas that show a severely depleted and overwhelmed medical system. That factors into this situation heavily. At this point the data is almost irrelevant as far as the total enormity of what all is happening, and there’s really no way to look at it any other way than a crisis. You don’t have to make a determination on whether or not it was preventable but you can certainly say that we are due for a very sobering outcome
I disagree with you if you think the data, as it relates to this and decisions being made, is VERY important.
I don't think anyone disagrees with you. Hospitals are still, at the end of the day, required to keep records of the COD. I don't think any of them are contriving any sort of data, but they are indeed struggling in some hotspots to accurately record the data within the CDC guidelines as outlined in the above memo.
I wonder how many personal injury attorneys would agree as to the "irrelevance" of data...
The enormity of this event is challenging, but irrelevance shouldn't be one of the by-products.
Agreed. With an overwhelmed system this is all we have. We have to make due. Regardless if what tactic is taken it's bad. stopping to count and having people die while bodies are tested or not counting and having people die anyway the results are the same..... A lot of dead people. It just really sucks.
You couldn't be more accurate. Data points are so crucial in the planning and executing the most accurate, sound and reasonable decisions. Inaccuracy leads to bedlam, chaos and anarchy.
John Bender
The Breakfast Club
It could vanish, just like a fart in the wind. This is a conspiracy!
The Warden
Shawshank Prison
I've said the same thing about 218 times.It could vanish, just like a fart in the wind. This is a conspiracy!
The Warden
Shawshank Prison
One of the most accurate and comprehensive five word posts this board has seen in some time.
Pretty much says it all.
For the first time since WWl, the world faces an enemy in a total fog of war. Prior to the advent of aircraft in battle bringing back intelligence, army’s had very little information about their enemy. Now, because we fight a enemy we know little about, we are back into the fog.
Data will be incomplete and in accurate for a while.
Data will be incomplete and in accurate for a while.
It's more likely the actual number of deaths is more than is being reported. Just like our actual number of cases is undercounted. Don't let the "doesn't require a positive test" fool you. The only way they could only count those with positive tests is if we had 100% testing of people who could potentially have died from this. We're not near that. It's much more likely that they place someone in the "not COVID-19" category that should be in the "yes COVID-19" category than the other way around even under this guidance. And it gets exacerbated where there is less testing.
The RATE is likely to be lower than reported. The actual number of deaths, however, is likely to be higher.
The rate isn't what concerns me. What concerns me is the volume and at what rate the volume comes.
Think of it in terms of rain. If you get 20 inches in one day a lot of havoc is caused. Get 20 inchest over 5 months and there isn't as much of a toll.
So is this a flash flood of deaths or simply a rainy season? Regardless, the desert sure sounds nice.
I don't know if he is right. It was interesting to listen to. I think there is definitely some truth in what he is saying.
Right or wrong, he is going to make some people's heads explode in this thread...
That's EXACTLY what I think. Honestly, I dont know what to believe. And my default is to assume it's not as bad. The bed numbers from the Justin Hart guy above have sent me over the edge....
I think one of the primary questions I have is let’s say by mid May we’re down to just a few hundred new cases nationwide per day. So very decidedly on the back end of the curve. Does society reopen at that point? Or do we need to get this to almost literally 0 new cases per day before we start things back up? It seems to me that our best hope for some short term normalcy is available and quick testing and one of the drug studies to come back with strong results so that the severe cases are reduced to a very small amount.
The more I think about it the less I agree with him but this is irrelevant. He’s a scientist who’s talking about data, this isn’t a discussion based on emotions.
JMHO, but the “reopening” will have a similar look and feel to the closure, but in reverse, however reopening at a slower pace than they were closed. Think toe in the water type reopening...private commonly owned areas reopened first, parks, boat ramps and beaches will follow along with non-essential businesses with new standards of operation with hotels, restaurants and bars after that with social distancing. I’m uncertain when large venues reopen in that non-essential subset, casinos, movie theaters and the like may be much later. As for arenas, stadiums, amusement parks, cruises, etc, I haven’t a clue.
Well, Boris Johnson is in the ICU....
https://www.politico.eu/article/boris-johnson-moved-to-intensive-care-with-covid-19/
https://www.politico.eu/article/boris-johnson-moved-to-intensive-care-with-covid-19/
I was going to give you a like, but that seems kind of perverse.
Does anyone know if Boris is a smoker? He doesn’t look very old, although fitness doesn’t appear to be his thing.
Hard to feel bad for a guy that did take it seriously and was shaking hands with covid positive people.
Prob the same he'd say if they died from the flu, or any other shitty way to die.
Why so ******* cold? Ouch. Millions, including you and me, underestimated this virus. In fact, who didn't? You may want to look up the word compassion in the Webster. The man made a mistake like millions of others have made, but its hard for you to try and empathize with him and/or his family? Check.
You are a quite impressive.
Pops tends to let his political ideology distort the way he views people. While he is an otherwise objective poster, he has a blind spot for anyone with conservative opinions.
I've taken it seriously the whole time. He didn't "make a mistake." He is not Joe Schmoe out on the street that only sees what is on the TV at night and got bad info from fake news. He is the leader of one of the most powerful countries in the world with all the data available to him. He ignored it and knowingly went and shook hands with individuals that he knew had a highly contagious respiratory illness. He ignored calls for social distancing and precautions by stating that herd immunity would protect everyone. Sorry don't feel bad for him.
I was highly conservative most of my life. The vast majority of my family is extremely conservative. I understand the conservative mindset. I have no problems with those that are conservative. However, the support of Trump has completely changed how I view the GOP. My mind just can't comprehend watching and listening to Donald Trump and think this guy is a good President and good for the future of this country and I'm going to vote for him just so the (R) wins and the (D) loses. I can't get behind the notion that I should vote for a detestable human being to "own the libs."
This is about a pandemic. It's not an opportunity to bash POTUS. Or another poster's politics.
I've calmed down a lot over the years, so don't get me riled up.
You're entitled to your opinions, of course. Express those opinions in the voting booth.
That goes for all sides. Let's all keep our eyes on the ball. The other stuff is a distraction.
Got it. They brought it up I just felt the need to respond.This is about a pandemic. It's not an opportunity to bash POTUS. Or another poster's politics.
I've calmed down a lot over the years, so don't get me riled up.
You're entitled to your opinions, of course. Express those opinions in the voting booth.
That goes for all sides. Let's all keep our eyes on the ball. The other stuff is a distraction.
Maybe, but why does POTUS take it as an opportunity to bash others? Food for thoughtThis is about a pandemic. It's not an opportunity to bash POTUS. Or another poster's politics.
I've calmed down a lot over the years, so don't get me riled up.
You're entitled to your opinions, of course. Express those opinions in the voting booth.
That goes for all sides. Let's all keep our eyes on the ball. The other stuff is a distraction.
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