COVID-19 is real deal and I just witness it before my eyes
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Good friend dead at 50 from COVID. Family member dead at 78 from COVID.
Both unvaccinated.
Both unvaccinated.
So because you've caught a cold during your lifetime and gotten over it means you will never catch a cold again. Ok. Got it. Must be nice walking around thinking your are invincible and incapable of getting sick...lol.
I agree - got to demonstrate the benefit. I think that plus differentiate between testing positive/"breakthrough" and getting sick enough to need treatment/be admitted to the hospital. Unrealistic expectations have led many to to doubt the vaccine even more than they did previously despite it being effective.
Don’t turn this these into debate. Personal choice if someone choose to get vaccinated. I wanted share this story, in case it could help someone.
Did I say this? Please quote where I did, thanks. Also, do the vaccines prevent people from getting Covid a first or second time? TIA
I’m sorry for the loss of your friend….it’s so hard to fathom the resistance. Unfortunately the time for debate is likely over, with some choosing to charge the hill without getting protected, but that’s the individual’s personal choice, for better or worse….all my best.
I used to ask myself some of the same questions. About whether people were actually dying of covid or not. But when I see people I know personally having near death experiences with it and then actually see people who were relatively healthy and fairly young in their mid 40s die while having Covid I say to myself no way was it just coincidental and time for all these people to either die or get deathly ill all in the same time span of 8-12 months. No way. I've seen enough now to know this thing is real and yes its killing people.
So much this. Firstly, no one should confuse passive immunity provided by mAB or any other alternative therapy with acquired immunity. They are not the same. In this case, we inject ourselves with antiviral molecules that were developed in a lab. The molecules assist our body in fighting the current infection, but they wear off and typically are believed to be effective for a few months.
But they do not provide our bodies with the acquired immunity needed to produce its own antibodies and fight an infection on its own. So once those mAB are gone, you are back to square 1.
mAB therapy is still in its trial phase. There are no FDA approved mAB therapies for COVID-19. It costs a lot of money to produce and administer which is footed by the government, with about an 85% efficacy. Side effects and adverse effects of mAB treatments are typically more extensive than vaccines so far. Imo there are better alternatives out there. That said, the CDC has supported the use of mAB therapy since 2020. If for whatever reason you don't want to use one of those alternatives and you get COVID-19, get the mAB therapy. It might save your life.
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You are saying nice to have immunity. How do you know that? Like I said people get colds and get them again. If we are immune every time we catch something that is a virus why do people get viruses again? That's because that natural immunuty wears off pretty quickly. You aren't immune for very long.
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From my understanding nearly all vaccines (for other diseases as well) help people build an immunity that is longer lasting than any natural immunity we have.
That doesn't mean you can't test positive for a virus while being vaccinated but your body will have a stronger possibility of fighting it off and keeping you from getting super sick. You were fortunate and may have had a mild or different strain of it. Heck I think I had it last year before vaccines were out because I was pretty sick early last year. But I'm not crazy enough to think I can't get sick again or that it may not be even worse.
Nearly every doctor that's out there treating people in hospitals will tell you the vast majority of them are unvaccinated. Sure there are some vaccinated people in the hospital but when its 90% to 10% unvaccinated vs vaccinated, the stats don't lie.
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There are vaccinated people dying as well. CDC not tracking those stats though. Seems like one you would want to see. Cases, severe illness, death on vaccinated vs unvaccinated vs natural immunity.
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You won't say it but I will: get vaccinated. Sorry for your loss.
Well I do know there all all sorts of stats out there from different sources keeping track of the number of people needing to be hospitalized with covid, vaccinated vs unvaccinated. The majority of those in hospitals seem to be unvaccinated by a pretty wide margin at that. To me there is something to be said for that.
Why has the CDC stopped collecting data on breakthrough Covid cases? | Yasmin Tayag
The US is stumbling in the dark when it comes to breakthrough cases. Why?
All about your immune system and its reaction. Good luck................
They are tracking it. Currently 6 out of 100,000 vaccinated end up hospitalized and 1 out of 100,000 die. 86% of the deaths are over 65 with the average over 83. 70% of the hospitalized over 65.
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Did I say all? I clearly meant most 😅Why has the CDC stopped collecting data on breakthrough Covid cases? | Yasmin Tayag
The US is stumbling in the dark when it comes to breakthrough cases. Why?www.theguardian.com
As a proponent of tracking as much data as possible, this comes as quite a surprise to me.
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Very sad. Praying for his family. Hopefully your message gets through to someone. If this message only helps one person, it another life saved. I have had family members test positive and quite a few people I personally knew, who have passed from this disease. Hopefully more people will take it as serious as we all do. Prayers and good luck to everyone! STAY SAFE, PROTECT YOUSELF AND OTHERS AROUND YOU.
Sorry to hear about the loss of your friend & co-worker. We(our office) just lost one of our loan officers the exact same way. If you wait to long & end up with pneumonia you will not survive it. Not sure what the long term effects are of the vax but it sure beats the possible alternative.
Read the article.......they aren't tracking infections because it doesn't matter and has nothing to do with the vaccination working or not. Also impossible to really track because vast majority are asymptomatic. Have to understand that vaccinations don't stop the virus from entering ones body, just allows for ones immune system to function faster/better. They are tracking breakthrough hospitalizations and deaths.Why has the CDC stopped collecting data on breakthrough Covid cases? | Yasmin Tayag
The US is stumbling in the dark when it comes to breakthrough cases. Why?
Immunity from the native infection is excellent. You are all set unless your overall health declines and your immune system is stressed.
What would it add to our knowledge?
Most people, vaccinated or not, are either asymptomatic or have manageable symptoms.
Vaccination lowers the odds of serious infection significantly. They have done several RCT studies around the world to figure out what the estimated infection rate is for vaccinated and unvaccinated. Looks like a 87% to 91% reduction in symptomatic infection rate from the studies, even for Delta. Asymptomatic ranges from 65% to 92%. RCT studies continue as we go forward.
i pondered posting that link. i'd rather not further discuss it in this thread, i already strayed away from the OP's wishes.
New studies out of Israel show that natural immunity being much stronger and longer lasting than the vaccines, hence the need for boosters. I’m not trying to argue with you about this but you should research it a bit more. Go Noles
And data should be continued to be tracked and monitored long-term to see what we can learn/confirm over and over and also to monitor if/what/when something changes. It may not provide any relevant data in the short term but that isn't to say that something couldn't turn up later on. Data is data. As long as it isn't violating anyone's privacy there is nothing wrong with collecting it. That data will help the Center for Disease Control and Prevention, you know, control and prevent.
That article itself says that they are only tracking breakthrough cases that lead to hospitalizations and deaths. They aren't tracking just anyone who is vaccinated that got a positive test for covid. It would be a little silly to track that because no one ever said its impossible to test positive for Covid while vaccinated. Its a matter of how sick you got from it.Why has the CDC stopped collecting data on breakthrough Covid cases? | Yasmin Tayag
The US is stumbling in the dark when it comes to breakthrough cases. Why?
Not sure about a study done in Israel but this was just released based on studies done right here in the US.
COVID-19: Disease-induced (natural) immunity, vaccination or hybrid immunity?
If you’ve had COVID-19 before, does your natural immunity work better than a vaccine?
www.nebraskamed.com
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Initial indications post-vaccination were that the virus was not likely to be transmitted and people were less likely to be infected after coming into contact with the virus. This is a good example of why continuing to collect as much data as possible is a good idea. If we would have stopped then, we not have the knowledge regarding breakthrough cases that we do now. This is a silly thing to debate about in the grand scheme of things. I just know that as someone who has a tendency to rely on data, I would personally like to see it captured.
The issue with that is that most people aren't getting tested if they aren't sick or just have a runny nose and the sniffles.
I think you don't seem to understand. Reporting those who happen to be vaccinated and get a positive test doesn't tell you anything because it doesn't capture everyone that is positive without a test. But, what does tell you important facts that are helpful is doing RCT (random, controlled trials) studies where you know exactly what percentage of folks, both vaccinated, and un-vaccinated (even down to which vaccine and when you were vaccinated) test positive/have symptoms/are hospitalized/die. The later is being done all over the world, including here in the US.
First let me say I respect your opinion and appreciate anyone in health care… you are amazing people.
We own a construction supply business and call on industrial & commercial contractors…. No home builders just heavy construction and particularly a lot of hospital expansions lately.
When Covid started getting people sick almost two years ago I was talking to a hospital administrator for one of the local hospitals here in Jax and he told me this …
“Unless you come into my hospital with a bullet in your head you are sick from or died from Covid because I get paid for everyone of those.” Wow… that was an early sign to me the numbers were being lied about.
Then the state set up a Covid test site around the Jaguar’s stadium early on and the lines were tremendous…. Like a three hour wait.
We had four (4) different customers get past the first check point where they get all of your information but they haven’t swabbed you yet.
After hours of waiting and never being swabbed they left…. And let me also say what I’m about to tell you happened to four different people on different days… these people weren’t in the same cars…
Well they all got notified they were positive when not one of them had been tested? Again they’re lying about the numbers.
Then we had another customer who’s dad was losing a long battle with cancer. While in the hospital just before he died of cancer they say he contracted Covid. His cause of death… you guessed it…. Covid.
Personally knowing probably 25 - 35 customers who had Covid and came back to work as soon as they were allowed made me less scared of it and also having seen the numbers being inflated we just decided to not take the vaccination.
Now I do know one customer who is 60 and took the vaccine and his kidneys started shutting down. Perfectly healthy 60 year old still working and now had to go out on total disability because of the vaccine.
I also know two ladies who I loved very much who died from Covid… they both weighed over 500 pounds each….
I never drank or smoked and I exercise including lifting weights and surfing at 66 years old. I’m not overweight so I took my chances and here I am a week later after coming down with it and I need to go mow the lawn.
Sometimes people choose to do things differently not by being ignorant but by having different information and using their own eyes and ears.
I respect everyone’s way of getting through this.
Go Noles.
I was just giving an example. I'm not trying to point to anything specific, just making an argument that there could be good reason to collect as much data as possible. Do I think the fact that the CDC isn't collecting this data outside of hospitals is the end of the world? Absolutely not. Do I think it could prove useful down the line? Possibly. But I do believe that it would create better educated guesses regarding total numbers (because like you said, not everything can be captured), and when combined with other data from around the world, something somewhere could reveal something.
The risk of a healthy 66 year old being hospitalized or dying of Covid is very small. Vaccination just makes it considerably smaller. However, and I am very ambivalent about this, there was a 24-48 hour period of time where you could have been shedding enough virus to infect others before you knew you were sick. So, does your responsibility to others include a vaccination to reduce the likelihood of spreading the virus? I don't know the answer to that..............but I got the vaccination.
I get what you are saying............but garbage in/garbage out is a real problem when you have a media looking to sensationalize anything. Estimates of total infections come from those RCT studies, just as they did when we did a series of antibody RCT studies.
