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COVID-19 is real deal and I just witness it before my eyes

jforte_06fsu said:
New studies out of Israel show that natural immunity being much stronger and longer lasting than the vaccines, hence the need for boosters. I’m not trying to argue with you about this but you should research it a bit more. Go Noles
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Your missing several key points from that study. It's only Delta specific. The people with natural immunity only had better numbers because they largely were previously infected with Delta. We know the vaccines aren't as effective against Delta as it is against Alpha. Second, those that had Delta and had the vaccine had better numbers than those that only had natural immunity so it still supports getting the vaccine. Third, this ignores the fact that you have to get Delta first to get the immunity. The evidence still suggests you should get the vaccine. You may still get Delta but the chances of you surviving with little impact are much higher over the unvaccinated and even if you had Delta a vaccination is still also recommended according to the study.
 
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Palm Valley Nole said:
First let me say I respect your opinion and appreciate anyone in health care… you are amazing people.

We own a construction supply business and call on industrial & commercial contractors…. No home builders just heavy construction and particularly a lot of hospital expansions lately.

When Covid started getting people sick almost two years ago I was talking to a hospital administrator for one of the local hospitals here in Jax and he told me this …

“Unless you come into my hospital with a bullet in your head you are sick from or died from Covid because I get paid for everyone of those.” Wow… that was an early sign to me the numbers were being lied about.

Then the state set up a Covid test site around the Jaguar’s stadium early on and the lines were tremendous…. Like a three hour wait.

We had four (4) different customers get past the first check point where they get all of your information but they haven’t swabbed you yet.

After hours of waiting and never being swabbed they left…. And let me also say what I’m about to tell you happened to four different people on different days… these people weren’t in the same cars…

Well they all got notified they were positive when not one of them had been tested? Again they’re lying about the numbers.

Then we had another customer who’s dad was losing a long battle with cancer. While in the hospital just before he died of cancer they say he contracted Covid. His cause of death… you guessed it…. Covid.

Personally knowing probably 25 - 35 customers who had Covid and came back to work as soon as they were allowed made me less scared of it and also having seen the numbers being inflated we just decided to not take the vaccination.

Now I do know one customer who is 60 and took the vaccine and his kidneys started shutting down. Perfectly healthy 60 year old still working and now had to go out on total disability because of the vaccine.

I also know two ladies who I loved very much who died from Covid… they both weighed over 500 pounds each….

I never drank or smoked and I exercise including lifting weights and surfing at 66 years old. I’m not overweight so I took my chances and here I am a week later after coming down with it and I need to go mow the lawn.

Sometimes people choose to do things differently not by being ignorant but by having different information and using their own eyes and ears.

I respect everyone’s way of getting through this.

Go Noles.
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It's funny that those stories only seem to come from people whom are against getting vaccinated. I've heard the same exact story with the same details from 8 or so people I know all of whom heard the same thing from someone else about someone they know. No one seems to be able to provide any actual evidence of this.

it’s funny that these tests that didn’t occur always come back positive and no one has been able to provide any reason why it’s to a testing sites benefit to commit mass fraud in effort to falsely increase positives tests, which they don’t financially benefit from.
 
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PopsNole said:
Your missing several key points from that study. It's only Delta specific. The people with natural immunity only had better numbers because they largely were previously infected with Delta. We know the vaccines aren't as effective against Delta as it is against Alpha. Second, those that had Delta and had the vaccine had better numbers than those that only had natural immunity so it still supports getting the vaccine. Third, this ignores the fact that you have to get Delta first to get the immunity. The evidence still suggests you should get the vaccine. You may still get Delta but the chances of you surviving with little impact are much higher over the unvaccinated and even if you had Delta a vaccination is still also recommended according to the study.
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If this is all true and the vaccine is really truly only fighting against an original strain and we know this virus will continue to mutate then why would I get a vaccine for something that that the medicine likely isn’t designed to fight? I keep hearing how the new strains aren’t really being fought by the vaccine because they’ve mutated since its creation so what’s the point of getting it now? I got the delta variant. I’m good. Time to move on with my life instead of being boostered up every 8 months. That’s my stance.
 
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fsufool said:
Like I said.........that is fine by me. I made a different
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PopsNole said:
That's not how infectious diseases work though. Go test Covid positive and then cough on some on purpose and declare my body my decision where and when to cough and see how that works for you.
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Why are you worried about me but not the thousands upon thousands of illegal immigrants walking into our country unvaccinated?
Either Covid is a big deal or it’s not… Besides if your mask and vaccine work there’s nothing to fear from the great unwashed right?
 
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PopsNole said:
It's funny that those stories only seem to come from people whom are against getting vaccinated. I've heard the same exact story with the same details from 8 or so people I know all of whom heard the same thing from someone else about someone they know. No one seems to be able to provide any actual evidence of this.

it’s funny that these tests that didn’t occur always come back positive and no one has been able to provide any reason why it’s to a testing sites benefit to commit mass fraud in effort to falsely increase positives tests, which they don’t financially benefit from.
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Yea I made all that up including the two 500 lbs friends.
 
jforte_06fsu said:
If this is all true and the vaccine is really truly only fighting against an original strain and we know this virus will confuse to mutate then why would I get a vaccine for something that that the medicine likely isn’t designed to fight? I keep hearing how the new strains aren’t really being fought by the vaccine because they’ve mutated since it was created so what’s the point of getting it now? I got the delta variant. I’m good. Time to move on with my life instead of being boostered up every 8 months. That’s my stance.
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Because it still lowers your chance of hospitalization and death because the variants are still similar even if you can still be infected. What does move on mean? Getting a vaccine takes 10 minutes. Your Delta immunity will not protect you forever.

People for a hundred years have gotten vaccines that aren’t 100% effective and I’ll bet the vast majorities of those you got the vaccine for them even though it’s still possible the virus could mutate and render it not as effective.
 
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PopsNole said:
Because it still lowers your chance of hospitalization and death because the variants are still similar even if you can still be infected. What does move on mean? Getting a vaccine takes 10 minutes. Your Delta immunity will not protect you forever.

People for a hundred years have gotten vaccines that aren’t 100% effective and I’ll bet the vast majorities of those you got the vaccine for them even though it’s still possible the virus could mutate and render it not as effective.
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Time to move means I got sick, recovered, and I’m getting on with my 32 year old healthy life. I will get sick again in some fashion down the road. It’s called life. I’m not going to continue to be so scared of this particular virus that I’m boostering up every 8 months, especially since that doesn’t prevent me from getting the disease. That’s all I’m saying dude.
 
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Palm Valley Nole said:
Why are you worried about me but not the thousands upon thousands of illegal immigrants walking into our country unvaccinated?
Either Covid is a big deal or it’s not.
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What does illegal immigrants have to do with anything?

Next up for debate why do people care about Covid when someone died in Chicago yesterday??????
 
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PopsNole said:
What does illegal immigrants have to do with anything? Any statistics showing Central America is the cause of the Delta outbreak

Next up for debate why do people care about Covid when someone died in Chicago yesterday??????
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What do illegal immigrants have to do with anything??
Did you just type that?
So…. You believe all of the people coming into America illegally are Covid free?
Wow…you have a good day sir.
 
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PopsNole said:
What does illegal immigrants have to do with anything?

Next up for debate why do people care about Covid when someone died in Chicago yesterday??????
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All these folks from Afghanistan, Haiti and the southern border are not getting turned away. If Covid is as pervasive as everyone is saying then a good number of them are positive. Wouldn't it be prudent to test and vaccinate them too?
 
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ericfulton said:
All these folks from Afghanistan, Haiti and the southern border are not getting turned away. If Covid is as pervasive as everyone is saying then a good number of them are positive. Wouldn't it be prudent to test and vaccinate them too?
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I thought I read that those that are allowed to seek asylum in this country are being tested and offered vaccinations? Is that not correct?
 
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jforte_06fsu said:
If this is all true and the vaccine is really truly only fighting against an original strain and we know this virus will continue to mutate then why would I get a vaccine for something that that the medicine likely isn’t designed to fight? I keep hearing how the new strains aren’t really being fought by the vaccine because they’ve mutated since its creation so what’s the point of getting it now? I got the delta variant. I’m good. Time to move on with my life instead of being boostered up every 8 months. That’s my stance.
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That is not necessarily all true. Moderna and J&J have shown to be effective against all forms of the virus. A booster shot of Comirnaty shows effectiveness against all forms of the virus as well. Immunity from infection wanes just like immunity from vaccine. It doesn't matter if you got alpha, delta, mu, etc. It doesn't just make you indefinitely "good."
 
fsufool said:
I thought I read that those that are allowed to seek asylum in this country are being tested and offered vaccinations? Is that not correct?
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Offered to test and vaccinate but not forced to. What percentage are actually being tested or given shots. If they can make citizens do it why not those seeking asylum? And of the ones not being tested how many are carrying the virus? If its so bad you would think it would be a mandatory item. You have to test and vaccinate to travel to a country legally.
 
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ericfulton said:
Offered to test and vaccinate but not forced to. What percentage are actually being tested or given shots. If they can make citizens do it why not those seeking asylum? And of the ones not being tested how many are carrying the virus? If its so bad you would think it would be a mandatory item. You have to test and vaccinate to travel to a country legally.
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Where is the government forcing people to get the vaccine?
 
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PopsNole said:
Where is the government forcing people to get the vaccine?
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Federal employees and military for starters. Mandates on companies with over 100 employees, health care workers, federal contractors and first responders.
 
Dhersh said:
I believe federal government employees. Which is well within the rights of the government to do.
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Which is my point. They aren't being held down and vaccinated. They are making employment dependent on it. The person is able to leave their job if they don't want it just like if a hospital employee does not want the TB vaccine they're within their rights to say no and work elsewhere.
 
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ericfulton said:
Federal employees and military for starters. Mandates on companies with over 100 employees, health care workers, federal contractors and first responders.
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So the employees aren't forced to get it right? They can seek employment elsewhere?
 
PopsNole said:
So the employees aren't forced to get it right? They can seek employment elsewhere?
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Tomato - tomato call it what you want but its a mandate. There is always an alternative. So its ok to tell a U.S citizen either get a shot or quit your job but not ok to tell a asylum seeker "illegal immigrant" to get the shot or not come into the country? If you want to travel internationally you have to get the shot and test, why not in this case?
 
ericfulton said:
Tomato - tomato call it what you want but its a mandate. There is always an alternative. So its ok to tell a U.S citizen either get a shot or quit your job but not ok to tell a asylum seeker "illegal immigrant" to get the shot or not come into the country? If you want to travel internationally you have to get the shot and test, why not in this case?
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We tell Americans citizens to do all kinds of things or you'll lose your job all the time. Why is a Covid vaccine any different? We require school children to get vaccines, employees whom work in the medical field often times are required to get vaccines. The military has to get all kinds of vaccines. Odd that not a single person has a problem with that whatsoever until Covid and now the government and businesses and can't tell me what to do anymore and it's my body my choice.

In regard to illegal immigrants, I believe they said they would test if they had the capabilities of doing so but Border Patrol does not have the time nor space to do testing on everyone. If I could make the call I would do rapid tests of anyone being let in but I don't get to make that decision.
 
PopsNole said:
We tell Americans citizens to do all kinds of things or you'll lose your job all the time. Why is a Covid vaccine any different? We require school children to get vaccines, employees whom work in the medical field often times are required to get vaccines. The military has to get all kinds of vaccines. Odd that not a single person has a problem with that whatsoever until Covid and now the government and businesses and can't tell me what to do anymore and it's my body my choice.
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Not the question at all. I was forced to take all kinds of vaccines for 24 years and I've had this one. My point is if the US government thinks its this important then why not tell the people coming into the country legally or otherwise you must be vaccinated or not come? How is that different?
 
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ericfulton said:
Not the question at all. I was forced to take all kinds of vaccines for 24 years and I've had this one. My point is if the US government thinks its this important then why not tell the people coming into the country legally or otherwise you must be vaccinated or not come? How is that different?
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Vaccinations are a requirement for legal immigration into this country.
 
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ericfulton said:
Not the question at all. I was forced to take all kinds of vaccines for 24 years and I've had this one. My point is if the US government thinks its this important then why not tell the people coming into the country legally or otherwise you must be vaccinated or not come? How is that different?
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Border Patrol said it's not feasible.
 
PopsNole said:
We tell Americans citizens to do all kinds of things or you'll lose your job all the time. Why is a Covid vaccine any different? We require school children to get vaccines, employees whom work in the medical field often times are required to get vaccines. The military has to get all kinds of vaccines. Odd that not a single person has a problem with that whatsoever until Covid and now the government and businesses and can't tell me what to do anymore and it's my body my choice.

In regard to illegal immigrants, I believe they said they would test if they had the capabilities of doing so but Border Patrol does not have the time nor space to do testing on everyone. If I could make the call I would do rapid tests of anyone being let in but I don't get to make that decision.
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Personally I wouldn't have an issue with requiring asylum seekers to get a Covid vaccination while they are in the US. I did have to laugh when someone mentioned the military..............we have been using the military for testing vaccinations/various drugs/even given some of them hallucinogenics/new medical treatments.... since before WW2. Not to mention sending them into areas where agent orange was dropped in vast amounts.

Of course it the fact that most of our political leadership are ancient and as such susceptible to Covid doesn't help! the situation.
 
Dhersh said:
Vaccinations are a requirement for legal immigration into this country.
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From the USCIS website:
Under the immigration laws of the United States, a foreign national who applies for an immigrant visa abroad, or who seeks to adjust status to a permanent resident while in the United States, is required to receive vaccinations to prevent the following diseases:

  • Mumps
  • Measles
  • Rubella
  • Polio
  • Tetanus and Diphtheria Toxoids
  • Pertussis
  • Haemophilus influenzae type B
  • Hepatitis B
  • Any other vaccine-preventable diseases recommended by the Advisory Committee for Immunization Practices
 
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covertwonole said:
But not for illegal immigration though (not required and in some cases not even considered).
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First, illegal immigration is illegal so you have to catch the person to vaccinate them. Second, we don't force anyone to get the vaccine that's already here in the country so we aren't going to force an illegal immigrant to be vaccinated just because they were caught. Just like if an unvaccinated person is arrested for shop lifting we don't vaccinate them in the squad car against their will. If we aren't going to put them through the system to send them back to their home country and they want to stay then I would mandate vaccination.

Third, an asylum seeker isn't an illegal immigrant if they go through the process so these people, I believe, should be getting vaccinated to legally come into the US.
 
fsufool said:
Personally I wouldn't have an issue with requiring asylum seekers to get a Covid vaccination while they are in the US. I did have to laugh when someone mentioned the military..............we have been using the military for testing vaccinations/various drugs/even given some of them hallucinogenics/new medical treatments.... since before WW2. Not to mention sending them into areas where agent orange was dropped in vast amounts.

Of course it the fact that most of our political leadership are ancient and as such susceptible to Covid doesn't help! the situation.
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Don't forget Anthrax and Gamma Globulin shots.
 
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