FSU Team Vaccination Rate

[JEHseminole]

Cool, do you want to address your point that was debunked?

Specifically

This association is strengthened because, in many cases, other mitigation strategies (eg, school and workplace closures, recommendations for social distancing, hand hygiene) had already been deployed before enactment of mask wearing policies, after which the reductions were observed. A study that examined changes in growth rates for infections in 15 states and the District of Columbia before and after mask mandates showed that rates were growing before the mandates were enacted and slowed significantly after, with greater benefit the longer the mandates had been in place.7

You didn't debunk a thing. I honestly don't care enough but you and I both know there are a multitude of studies showing masks do nothing in stopping respiratory viruses in non clinical settings.

Fauci himself has admitted more than once than anything under a n95 does nothing to stop covid as the virus is too small for those masks to be effective.

We have the Denmark study.

But it is impressive that you talk about debunking when you used an article that literally debunked itself 12 days after publishing lol.

 

[-Black]

I honestly don't care enough

That's easy to see, particularly if you think correcting a typo undercuts or "debunks" the actual point of the study, research post pandemic, which you are predictably avoiding.

 

[ChiefWB]

1. Your guide to masks. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/about-face-coverings.html. Accessed May 14, 2021.
2. Coronavirus disease (COVID-19) advice for the public: When and how to use masks. World Health Organization. https://www.who.int/emergencies/dis...9/advice-for-public/when-and-how-to-use-masks. Accessed Feb. 2, 2021.
3. Guidance for wearing masks. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/cloth-face-cover-guidance.html. Accessed April 27, 2021.
4. N95 respirators and surgical masks (face masks). U.S. Food and Drug Administration. https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices...n95-respirators-and-surgical-masks-face-masks. Accessed Feb. 2, 2021.
5. Greenhalgh T, et al. Face masks for the public during the covid-19 crisis. BMJ. 2020; doi:10.1136/bmj.m1435. BMJ. 2020; doi:10.1136/bmj.m1422.
6. Mahase E. Covid-19: What is the evidence for cloth masks? BMJ. 2020; doi:10.1136/bmj.m1422.
7. Feng S, et al. Rational use of face masks in the COVID-19 pandemic. Lancet Respiratory Medicine. 2020; doi:10.1016/S2213-2600(20)30134-X.
8. Cowling BJ, et al. Impact assessment of non-pharmaceutical interventions against coronavirus disease 2019 and influenza in Hong Kong: An observational study. Lancet Public Health. 2020; doi.org/10.1016/S2468-2667(20)30090-6.
9. Howard J, et al. An evidence review of face masks against COVID-19. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. 2021; doi:10.1073/pnas.2014564118.
10. Personal protective equipment: Questions and answers. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/respirator-use-faq.html. Accessed Feb. 2, 2021.
11. Chu DK, et al. Physical distancing, face masks, and eye protection to prevent person-to-person transmission of SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19: A systematic review and meta-analysis. The Lancet. 2020; doi:10.1016/S0140-6736(20)31142-9.
12. Tso RV, et al. Importance of face masks for COVID-19: A call for effective public education. Clinical Infectious Diseases. 2020; doi:10.1093/cid/ciaa593.
13. Lyu W, et al. Community use of face masks and COVID-19: Evidence from a natural experiment of state mandates in the US. Health Affairs. 2020; doi:10.1377/hlthaff.2020.00818.
14. McIntosh K. Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19): Epidemiology, virology, and prevention. https://www.uptodate.com/contents/search. Accessed Feb. 2, 2021.
15. Transmission of SARS-CoV-2: Implications for infection prevention precautions. World Health Organization. https://www.who.int/publications/i/...plications-for-ipc-precaution-recommendations. Accessed Feb. 2, 2021.
16. Gandhi M, et al. Uniting infectious disease and physical science principles on the importance of face masks for COVID-19. Med (NY). 2021; doi:10.1016/j.medj.2020.12.008.
17. Verma S, et al. Visualizing droplet dispersal for face shields and masks with exhalation valves. Physics of Fluids. 2020; doi:10.1063/5.0022968.
18. Perencevich EN, et al. Moving personal protective equipment into the community: Face shields and containment of COVID-19. JAMA. 2020; doi:10.1001/jama.2020.7477.
19. Clase CM, et al. Forgotten technology in the COVID-19 pandemic: Filtration properties of cloth and cloth masks. Mayo Clinic Proceedings. 2020; doi:10.1016/j.mayocp.2020.07.020.
20. Darby S, et al. COVID-19: Mask efficacy is dependent on both fabric and fit. Future Microbiology. 2021; doi:10.2217/fmb-2020-0292.
21. Improve how your mask protects you. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/your-health/effective-masks.html. Accessed Feb. 10, 2021.
22. Brooks JT, et al. Maximizing Fit for Cloth and Medical Procedure Masks to Improve Performance and Reduce SARS-CoV-2 Transmission and Exposure, 2021. Morbitity and Mortality Weekly Report. 2021; doi:http://dx.doi.org/10.15585/mmwr.mm7007e1.
23. Choosing safer activities. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/daily-life-coping/participate-in-activities.html. Accessed May 13, 2021.
24. When you’ve been fully vaccinated. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vaccinated.html. Accessed May 13, 2021.
25. Interim public health recommendations for fully vaccinated people. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vaccinated-guidance.html. Accessed July 28, 2021.

 

[clewdog]

The Worst Outbreaks in U.S. History

Learn about the biggest outbreaks in United States history and how we’ve overcome them.

www.healthline.com

Always more science to discredit the science of the science behind the science

 

[-Black]

Always more science to discredit the science of the science behind the science

You're being funny but that is actually the great thing about science.

 

[ChiefWB]

Always more science to discredit the science of the science behind the science

What's your theory as to why there was a big dip in influenza this past season?

 

[clewdog]

1. Your guide to masks. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/about-face-coverings.html. Accessed May 14, 2021.
2. Coronavirus disease (COVID-19) advice for the public: When and how to use masks. World Health Organization. https://www.who.int/emergencies/dis...9/advice-for-public/when-and-how-to-use-masks. Accessed Feb. 2, 2021.
3. Guidance for wearing masks. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/cloth-face-cover-guidance.html. Accessed April 27, 2021.
4. N95 respirators and surgical masks (face masks). U.S. Food and Drug Administration. https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices...n95-respirators-and-surgical-masks-face-masks. Accessed Feb. 2, 2021.
5. Greenhalgh T, et al. Face masks for the public during the covid-19 crisis. BMJ. 2020; doi:10.1136/bmj.m1435. BMJ. 2020; doi:10.1136/bmj.m1422.
6. Mahase E. Covid-19: What is the evidence for cloth masks? BMJ. 2020; doi:10.1136/bmj.m1422.
7. Feng S, et al. Rational use of face masks in the COVID-19 pandemic. Lancet Respiratory Medicine. 2020; doi:10.1016/S2213-2600(20)30134-X.
8. Cowling BJ, et al. Impact assessment of non-pharmaceutical interventions against coronavirus disease 2019 and influenza in Hong Kong: An observational study. Lancet Public Health. 2020; doi.org/10.1016/S2468-2667(20)30090-6.
9. Howard J, et al. An evidence review of face masks against COVID-19. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. 2021; doi:10.1073/pnas.2014564118.
10. Personal protective equipment: Questions and answers. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/respirator-use-faq.html. Accessed Feb. 2, 2021.
11. Chu DK, et al. Physical distancing, face masks, and eye protection to prevent person-to-person transmission of SARS-CoV-2 and COVID-19: A systematic review and meta-analysis. The Lancet. 2020; doi:10.1016/S0140-6736(20)31142-9.
12. Tso RV, et al. Importance of face masks for COVID-19: A call for effective public education. Clinical Infectious Diseases. 2020; doi:10.1093/cid/ciaa593.
13. Lyu W, et al. Community use of face masks and COVID-19: Evidence from a natural experiment of state mandates in the US. Health Affairs. 2020; doi:10.1377/hlthaff.2020.00818.
14. McIntosh K. Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19): Epidemiology, virology, and prevention. https://www.uptodate.com/contents/search. Accessed Feb. 2, 2021.
15. Transmission of SARS-CoV-2: Implications for infection prevention precautions. World Health Organization. https://www.who.int/publications/i/...plications-for-ipc-precaution-recommendations. Accessed Feb. 2, 2021.
16. Gandhi M, et al. Uniting infectious disease and physical science principles on the importance of face masks for COVID-19. Med (NY). 2021; doi:10.1016/j.medj.2020.12.008.
17. Verma S, et al. Visualizing droplet dispersal for face shields and masks with exhalation valves. Physics of Fluids. 2020; doi:10.1063/5.0022968.
18. Perencevich EN, et al. Moving personal protective equipment into the community: Face shields and containment of COVID-19. JAMA. 2020; doi:10.1001/jama.2020.7477.
19. Clase CM, et al. Forgotten technology in the COVID-19 pandemic: Filtration properties of cloth and cloth masks. Mayo Clinic Proceedings. 2020; doi:10.1016/j.mayocp.2020.07.020.
20. Darby S, et al. COVID-19: Mask efficacy is dependent on both fabric and fit. Future Microbiology. 2021; doi:10.2217/fmb-2020-0292.
21. Improve how your mask protects you. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/your-health/effective-masks.html. Accessed Feb. 10, 2021.
22. Brooks JT, et al. Maximizing Fit for Cloth and Medical Procedure Masks to Improve Performance and Reduce SARS-CoV-2 Transmission and Exposure, 2021. Morbitity and Mortality Weekly Report. 2021; doi:http://dx.doi.org/10.15585/mmwr.mm7007e1.
23. Choosing safer activities. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/daily-life-coping/participate-in-activities.html. Accessed May 13, 2021.
24. When you’ve been fully vaccinated. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vaccinated.html. Accessed May 13, 2021.
25. Interim public health recommendations for fully vaccinated people. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vaccinated-guidance.html. Accessed July 28, 2021.

The CDC and WHO.......ya you don't know nearly as much as they tell you you do

 

[clewdog]

What's your theory as to why there was a big dip in influenza this past season?

Without a VACCINE!!!??? There just isn't any way

 

[ChiefWB]

Back to the op, I had heard a couple months ago that our numbers were not looking good as many have mentioned. In the past couple of weeks I believe the team has spoken with Dr. Myron Rolle and I believe Coach Norvell mentioned things had picked up on the vaccine front in recent days and weeks. Lets hope we cross that magical threshold.

 

[clewdog]

You're being funny but that is actually the great thing about science.

You would think, right? Seems like most forgot that about 18 months ago

 

[ChiefWB]

Without a VACCINE!!!??? There just isn't any way

That's one opinion.

 

[clewdog]

That's one opinion.

And it isn't mine

 

[ChiefWB]

The CDC and WHO.......ya you don't know nearly as much as they tell you you do

From a source you likely respect

Widespread use of coronavirus face masks can help control virus transmission: study

In the ongoing debate about coronavirus face mask effectiveness, a new study published this week suggests that widespread use of face masks can help to prevent large outbreaks of COVID-19.

www.foxnews.com

Multi-layered cloth masks as effective as surgical mask, study suggests

Research continues into which face coverings are most effective, with a recent finding suggesting that multi-layered cloth masks are as viable as surgical masks.

www.foxnews.com

Why these masks are more effective at stopping COVID spread

Cotton face masks are proving more effective against the spread of the coronavirus than previously thought, a new study found.

www.foxnews.com

 

[JEHseminole]

That's easy to see, particularly if you think correcting a typo undercuts or "debunks" the actual point of the study, research post pandemic, which you are predictably avoiding.

I'm not avoiding anything. I suggest you read the table that the person is inferring their conclusions from. Calling that research or data insulting would be putting it mildly. Doesn't distinguish in types of masks. Zero variable control. That isn't science. That isn't research.

 

[Jimbo11]

Remind me again.

If the vaccine is so effective (I believe it is) than why are the unvaccinated endangering them? I mean, again, they’re spending millions on campaigns to get folks vaccinated. Once that happens, you’re clear.

If that’s not the case, then don’t push people to vaccinate and focus on treatments.

Seems to be you want it both ways. Everyone must get vaccinated but the unvaccinated are endangering you.

As for these kids, the concern isn’t health. It’s contact tracing and how it impacts the team. Teams will lose games because of contact tracing. But, they’re 18-22 year old healthy kids. They’ll be fine

My Uncle had both vaccines earlier this year. He contracted Covid and died June 16.

 

[BigHieb]

Based on vaccinations and those who have had Covid, we should be near the 85% thresholds.

Don’t think past Covid counts. Plenty of people with original strain have gotten sick with Delta (Lamar Jackson). Past COVID plus vaccine much better protection. Player hurts the team by not getting vaccinated. Side effects from vax much lower than Covid virus…. This should be a no-brainer.

 

[BigHieb]

That is not true.

It is true. Every person infected gives the virus a thousands or millions of chances to mutate into something worse.

 

[-Black]

I'm not avoiding anything. I suggest you read the table that the person is inferring their conclusions from. Calling that research or data insulting would be putting it mildly. Doesn't distinguish in types of masks. Zero variable control. That isn't science. That isn't research.

You are since you still haven't engaged in the data.

Also ironic that you're calling out the limitations of the research provided by the authors, yet you cited the danish study that literally spells out that it does not address community spread, which is the critical point we're discussing.

Limitation:​

Inconclusive results, missing data, variable adherence, patient-reported findings on home tests, no blinding, and no assessment of whether masks could decrease disease transmission from mask wearers to others.

ACP Journals

 

[flmom777]

If you’re throwing in those who have had COVID, all but a few from last season caught it. I don’t know how many of the newcomers have had the vaccine or virus, but it really doesn’t matter since the percentage shouldn’t include the infections.

The percentage actually should include those that recovered.

Lasting immunity found after recovery from COVID-19

The immune systems of more than 95% of people who recovered from COVID-19 had durable memories of the virus up to eight months after infection.

www.nih.gov

 

[flmom777]

Maybe you can link to some of the research instead of saying “look it up.” Your opinion seems to be in the minority of researchers and experts.

Lasting immunity found after recovery from COVID-19

The immune systems of more than 95% of people who recovered from COVID-19 had durable memories of the virus up to eight months after infection.

www.nih.gov

 

[Donnie_Please]

You can still be infected and transmit the virus after vaccination. Being less contagious after the vaccine is only a theory. Thus, unvaccinated are not more dangerous.

First of all it is not a just a theory, secondly, the unvaccinated are still in far more danger.

 

[-Black]

It is true. Every person infected gives the virus a thousands or millions of chances to mutate into something worse.

Yes and it's infuriating that disinformation about it keeps getting spread in places like this. The more unvaccinated there are, the more variants emerge.

"One of the key characteristics of the coronavirus is the spike protein that allows it to latch onto a host cell, penetrate it, and cause an infection.

That spike is what vaccines target to block the virus.

In the unvaccinated, however, the virus gets in, hijacks the cell, and turns it into a factory. It then makes thousands of copies of itself. If there’s a copying mistake or error, scientists call that a mutation.

Occasionally, a mutation can help the virus get into the body’s cells more easily. When mutations accumulate over time, new variants of a virus strain emerge.

The Delta variant has outpaced all its rivals by reproducing itself quicker and in larger numbers. Scientists say that makes it more highly contagious."

Everything You Should Know About the 2019 Coronavirus and COVID-19

Learn all about the 2019 coronavirus and COVID-19. Get the facts on symptoms, risk factors, treatment, prevention, masks, and more.

www.healthline.com

 

[Donnie_Please]

Correct. Natural immunity.

Again, targeted vaccination combined with the healthy population obtaining herd immunity through natural immunity (which has shown to be far superior to the vaccine) was always the course that should have been taken.

The crazy amounts of mutations/variations we are seeing have nothing to do with the unvaccinated and everything to do with the mass population vaccine rollout. That is what is driving this. I highly recommend reading up on antibody dependent enhancement. You never see surges like this for these types of viruses in summer time.

I generally don't like to get into these conversations but this mass vaccination has been a disaster and there is no reason to be forcing the vaccine on players or any young people for that matter.

Just making crap up.

 

[sunsetnole]

^^^^THIS...should be mandatory for those on scholarship.

Gotta get that NIL deal signed first

 

[mrcop2you]

I think masks will be in place, at least seasonally much like in Asia, from here on out.

If so that is crazy.

 

[Annapolis]

You are aware


You must not realize there were 8 NCST players who tested positive for Covid.
Four had been vaccinated

8 Wolfpack baseball players tested positive for COVID-19 Delta variant, NC State officials say

NC State administrators explain what really happened--how many players tested positive, how many were vaccinated, etc.--before the team got kicked out of the College World Series.

abc11.com

Yep, the vaccinated ones didn't know they were sick until they were told, like the unvaccinated kids. Amazingly none were hospitalized and all survived. It is odd how the vaccinated sick are not a worry until they are near an unvaxxed positive , but whatever. These surprise breakthroughs are not helping at all, especially given the high case numbers and low death numbers they keep saying will happen "in the next 2 weeks".

 

[FlashFSU]

I should be smarter than getting in on this thread, but here I am.

What's your theory as to why there was a big dip in influenza this past season?

Influenza is barely above 1 in its R0 (reproductive rate) sometimes and definitely not above 2. It's also far more seasonal, as it barely exists in temperate environments in the summer (while always existing in some form in tropical areas). It also hops between hemispheres, blooming in the southern hemisphere during our winter and then having much more capability to spread back to the north later. Since we shut down international travel, that's tampered that quite a bit.

The huge response to COVID-19 absolutely impacted influenza, but that was a much shorter road to travel. Pushing down influenza from, let's say, 1.1 R0 to .8 would devastate it. Pushing COVID down from 3.3 to 3.0 would not have a noticeable effect on the average perspective (hospitals would prefer it).

As always, these are complicated topics that never get resolved on message boards, but I guess it's something for us all to do.

 

[warchant99]

You are aware


You must not realize there were 8 NCST players who tested positive for Covid.
Four had been vaccinated

8 Wolfpack baseball players tested positive for COVID-19 Delta variant, NC State officials say

NC State administrators explain what really happened--how many players tested positive, how many were vaccinated, etc.--before the team got kicked out of the College World Series.

abc11.com

I am more interested in the contact tracing and quarantine issues associated with vaccine rates. As a player, I would want to do anything possible to avoid forfeits or missed games (like last year). That was my point. Get the vaccine or don’t, I don’t care but I would never want to risk the season if taking the vaccine gives the team a better chance of competing and playing all the games.

 

[fsufool]

I'm all for everyone having their choice. But, it seems as we are going through the spike, Vaccinated or Unvaccinated are both able to catch covid. Sure, folks can and will argue they get less sick etc... But, in terms of ball games, a positive result is a positive result.

They are only testing ones that get sick. So, that will keep the numbers down, especially if you have a good amount vaccinated.

 

[fsufool]

I should be smarter than getting in on this thread, but here I am.



Influenza is barely above 1 in its R0 (reproductive rate) sometimes and definitely not above 2. It's also far more seasonal, as it barely exists in temperate environments in the summer (while always existing in some form in tropical areas). It also hops between hemispheres, blooming in the southern hemisphere during our winter and then having much more capability to spread back to the north later. Since we shut down international travel, that's tampered that quite a bit.

The huge response to COVID-19 absolutely impacted influenza, but that was a much shorter road to travel. Pushing down influenza from, let's say, 1.1 R0 to .8 would devastate it. Pushing COVID down from 3.3 to 3.0 would not have a noticeable effect on the average perspective (hospitals would prefer it).

As always, these are complicated topics that never get resolved on message boards, but I guess it's something for us all to do.

Leon County's Rt has gone from a peak of 1.61 on July 15th to 1.2 currently. https://covidestim.org/us/FL/12073

 

[fsufool]

It's fair to say that natural immunization against the virus is more effective while you have the antibodies, but that experiment was already tried in Sweden with massive and fatal concequences. So unless we are ok with more people dying than the 620,000 (and more to come) in the US and incredible stress on already overwhelmed hospitals, I think we should encourage vaccination.

Wrong. Sweden did have mitigation efforts. Yes, they did have a surge, but that was from nurses going around and seeing older clients without PPDs early on and large nursing homes (like we have here in the US). They did close down their high schools. Instituted bans on large gatherings, etc. Sweden's overall death rate of 1438 per million is modest considering the age of their society and the population density of their major cities and the size of their nursing homes. USA death rate per million is 38% higher for example. Currently their 7 day moving average of deaths is 1.

 

[Leben]

I should be smarter than getting in on this thread, but here I am.



Influenza is barely above 1 in its R0 (reproductive rate) sometimes and definitely not above 2. It's also far more seasonal, as it barely exists in temperate environments in the summer (while always existing in some form in tropical areas). It also hops between hemispheres, blooming in the southern hemisphere during our winter and then having much more capability to spread back to the north later. Since we shut down international travel, that's tampered that quite a bit.

The huge response to COVID-19 absolutely impacted influenza, but that was a much shorter road to travel. Pushing down influenza from, let's say, 1.1 R0 to .8 would devastate it. Pushing COVID down from 3.3 to 3.0 would not have a noticeable effect on the average perspective (hospitals would prefer it).

As always, these are complicated topics that never get resolved on message boards, but I guess it's something for us all to do.

 

[FarmerNole]

Don’t think past Covid counts. Plenty of people with original strain have gotten sick with Delta (Lamar Jackson). Past COVID plus vaccine much better protection. Player hurts the team by not getting vaccinated. Side effects from vax much lower than Covid virus…. This should be a no-brainer.

Based on the recent science/study from Cleveland Clinic, having the antibodies from Covid are as effective as the vax. That’s their results not my opinion. As for me, I’ll go with this. You can google the study and form your own view. If you are unvaccinated and haven’t had Covid, you’re exposed.

 

[FarmerNole]

If you’re throwing in those who have had COVID, all but a few from last season caught it. I don’t know how many of the newcomers have had the vaccine or virus, but it really doesn’t matter since the percentage shouldn’t include the infections.

It should if you’re objective about the Cleveland Clinic study. Follow the science, right.

 

[Old School Nole Fan]

It should if you’re objective about the Cleveland Clinic study. Follow the science, right.

I'm not getting into the science of it and am not necessarily disagreeing on that. I'm only talking about what happens to the team and the specific guys who aren't vaccinated. Those guys, whether they've had the virus previously or not, will be tested and will be contact-traced. Those who are vaccinated will not be tested or contact-traced unless they show symptoms. That's from our medical staff. The more we have vaccinated, the less likely we'll see cancelled games or players missing games. We are closer to being above 90% if you count the ones who have had the virus, but that doesn't matter when it comes to how they will be treated.

 

[Old School Nole Fan]

The percentage actually should include those that recovered.

Lasting immunity found after recovery from COVID-19

The immune systems of more than 95% of people who recovered from COVID-19 had durable memories of the virus up to eight months after infection.

www.nih.gov

I don't disagree, but that's not what's going to happen. Those who aren't vaccinated will be contact-traced and will miss games.

 

[PopsNole]

Based on the recent science/study from Cleveland Clinic, having the antibodies from Covid are as effective as the vax. That’s their results not my opinion. As for me, I’ll go with this. You can google the study and form your own view. If you are unvaccinated and haven’t had Covid, you’re exposed.

Well that science makes sense. If you recently had Covid you have antibodies just like if you have the vaccine. However, those anti-bodies are running out after a 3-8 months, depending on the study, so at that point they're still recommending you get the vaccine to increase your anti-bodies back up.

 

[ColoNole1]

Just making crap up.

I'm confused. So, why are 95%+ of COVID instances and hospitalizations in Florida's recent explosion of cases among the non-vaxinated

 

[SugarHillNole]

A number of people have been infected more than once.

Yes. And many get Covid after vaccination as well. The common cold is a coronavirus. Why haven’t we been able to eradicate it over the past hundred or more years? Because viruses mutate. Can’t live life risk free. Some will try.

 

[Leben]

Yes. And many get Covid after vaccination as well. The common cold is a coronavirus. Why haven’t we been able to eradicate it over the past hundred or more years? Because viruses mutate. Can’t live life risk free. Some will try.

We also can't push our hospital systems, doctors, and nurses to the edge of collapse twice a year