FSU Team Vaccination Rate
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There are actually several studies in India that correlate Vitamin D deficiency to increased risk of worse disease in that country. The difficulty with India, and with Delta in general since that is the dominant strain there and where it originated, is that there is a shift in the affected population and their general access to healthy food and clean water is less than elsewhere. Their break line is age 45 and up whereas in most civilized countries it is 50+.
Delta has been the overwhelming contributor to deaths in India but it has been very mild for deaths in the UK (~1.9% case fatality rate for alpha in the UK vs 0.3% for delta). The break line in the UK remained the same with the vast majority of deaths that have occurred being in the 50+ age group.
Florida has not quite followed the pattern of the UK but we do count deaths differently in the US than the UK does so that may contribute. The age break line has not changed in Florida at 50+ being significantly affected but share of deaths in 50-64 has increased with delta whereas the share of 65+ has decreased (but remains the overwhelming majority).
Interested to know with the India study whether those deficient in D also had pre-existing conditions. Looking at one study on the same topic which says they could not find a correlation between D and Covid and noted that those with lower D also tended to have heart issues, obesity and other issues putting you at higher risk.
The death rate is influenced greatly in situations where the hospitals are overrun.
Our friend with COVID, unvaxxed, went to the hospital yesterday for an IV, in that he has had steady diarrhea for 5 days and a temp of 104.5. After the IV in the ER, they sent him home because they have nowhere to put him. This was in Birmingham.
104.5!
yeah it's difficult to say whether it's localized to India or global. India has such poor drinking water and general sanitary conditions.
A primary care physician who practices things like prescribing diet, exercise and vitamins prophylactically as a way of preventing sickness and disease. He is considered nutty. Kind of a perfect summation of Healthcare in America.
There is nothing wrong with those things. They just don't keep you from getting COVID or dying from it.
that's unusual for COVID, actually not a great sign since the people that have had that high of a temp experience ~44% mortality.
it's far more usual for influenza though.
as usual, need to be sure that a reliable thermometer is used. temporal, in ear and quick read thermometers are convenient but not something i put much trust in without it being a regularly calibrated device like physicians use.
I agree that the data points to vaccinated COVID patients fairing better when hospitalized vs non-vaccinated COVID patients.
There is no data I am aware of to suggest vaccinated people are less contagious when infected.
He actually said 80% of covid ICU patients were vitamin D deficient and 78% were clinically obese.
But yea attack him because he is a quack who tries to teach his patients to moderate their diet, get exercise and get outside and supplement with certain vitamins. Like that has any affect on things like hypertension, high cholesterol, type 2 diabetes, heart failure, etc.
Oh wait.....
You are guilty of what is called an Ad hominem fallacy currently.
You are attacking a guy because he prescribes a healthy lifestyle while quoting people who offered you free Krispy Kreme for a vaccine.
Data suggests the vaccines are not very effective against delta infection, or hospitalization, which is the majority of Florida infections in July.
In a nutshell, we may need a new vaccine.
New data suggests Pfizer and Moderna's vaccines may be less effective against Delta
A senior Biden official called the preprint study "a wakeup call."
www.axios.com
Actually, not being obese and not having co-morbidities drastically reduces your chances of dying from covid. Like exponentially.
can i ask what would be your measurement in that? length of stay? death? something else?
Ohhh no I'm not trying to say he's a bad doctor for trying to get his patients to be healthy. I'm saying he's not qualified to comment on Covid-19 procedures and public health standards whatsoever.
Need a booster at least. Pfizer's studies on a booster seem very good. A new study says Moderna is more impactful than Pfizer. I'm honestly considering going to get Moderna because it's been 6 months since I got Pfizer.Data suggests the vaccines are not very effective against delta infection, or hospitalization, which is the majority of Florida infections in July.
In a nutshell, we may need a new vaccine.
New data suggests Pfizer and Moderna's vaccines may be less effective against Delta
A senior Biden official called the preprint study "a wakeup call."
It's significantly less effective with Delta on infection not necessarily hospitalization rate.Data suggests the vaccines are not very effective against delta infection, or hospitalization, which is the majority of Florida infections in July.
In a nutshell, we may need a new vaccine.
New data suggests Pfizer and Moderna's vaccines may be less effective against Delta
A senior Biden official called the preprint study "a wakeup call."
i guess this kind of comes back to the conversation i had with @QuaZ2002 yesterday in here. what constitutes to being vaccinated since we also have the separate statement of being fully vaccinated? is a person who has had at least the first dose vaccinated but not yet fully vaccinated?
the veterans affairs study found ~85% efficacy after a single dose of either pfizer or moderna in its study of people December 2020 through and of March 2021. that in itself is higher than the J&J results seen in other studies.
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Just glancing as Israel's numbers. I'm not concerned by them. Am I supposed to be?
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/israel/
The concern is they have had a recent surge in cases despite having a high % of the population being vaccinated (close to 80%). And 85-90% of those with severe cases requiring hospitalization were vaccinated individuals.
This is what you get when the efficacy studies done on these vaccines only look at the first 2 months. And we now have very good data showing the reliability and strength of natural immunity built against Covid.
I have even heard (though admittedly I haven't read up on it much as I just heard about this) that there is a worry that vaccination of those who have obtained natural immunity could actually reduce that individuals protection. I have to see and read more on that.
There were people almost a year ago now saying we could not vaccinate our way out of this and that mass vaccinations could have severe unintended consequences. But it has all fallen on deaf ears.
It is worth noting from the FL DOH the most recent numbers show that the Case Fatality Rate (which is always higher than the Infectious Fatality Rate which would be the actual fatality rate) is incredibly low for individuals under the age of 50.
40-49: 0.3% CFR
30-39: 0.1% CFR
16-29: 0.0% CFR
15-under: 0.0% CFR
These are population groups that especially if they are healthy, they really don't need to get vaccinated.
Great post. I would argue that Israel's numbers are still small, practically a non-issue. The virus at this point has no 'choice' but to mutate into more contagious, less deadly versions of itself until it's essentially just part of our flu vaccine cocktail.
Fatality does not capture the total impact of getting the virus.
I had it in January and I still have heart palpitations and severe nerve pain.
With that said, your analysis is nonsense/BS.
You haven't brought a single useful thing to this thread and then quote me, use an anecdote, and say "my" analysis is nonsense which is really just me parroting different doctors and virologists/immunologists/epidemiologists analysis. Nonsense is literally every post you have made thus far.
Have you been vaccinated? And if so how do we know to attribute your palpitations and nerve pain to covid?
My 72 year old father who has had 3 open heart surgeries and has hypertension and high cholesterol handled Covid no problem and has no lasting affects. My 25 year old healthy fully vaxxed brother has had the worst bout with Covid than any family member so far. Does my anecdotes trump yours? The fact that you even brought up an anecdotal case makes it hard to even take you remotely serious.
Fatality doesn't capture the impact of the virus? What about the impact of obesity? Of poor diet? Things that cause way more deaths, that lead to way more disease in this country. That exponentially make Covid more dangerous. We are discussing mandated vaccinations because offering bribes and junk food wasn't working. Meanwhile the vaccines are failing and they are talking about 3rd and maybe even 4th boosters.
Agreed. Well stated. The far left media has their own agenda…control your life.
"And 85-90% of those with severe cases requiring hospitalization were vaccinated individuals." this is a bald-faced lie.
You clearly have no background in science, nor an analytical mind. You parrot complete garbage.
You believe a quack doc from Indiana. What else do we need to know about you?
Nothing.
If you watched the video that is a quote from the Doctor in Israel. But that shows what we need to know about you. Again, you have been useless in this thread. Time to go sit on the bench.
Director of Herzog Hospital in Jerusalem Dr. Kobi Haviv:"85-90% of the hospitalizations here are fully vaccinated people. Unfortunately the effectiveness of the vaccine is waning."
A virus that continuously kills a high percentage of its hosts is doomed, long term.
That one clip is not indicative of the broader trend as detailed ad nauseum by the CDC.
You attributed a quote from a Doctor on the ground in Jerusalem to me and said my analysis was nonsense lmao. Give me a break. Strong analysis on your part there though....
Again. Efficacy on these vaccines was stopped being observed after 2 months. Quoting the CDC like they have been some holy speakers of truth smh. They are getting this pandemic wrong at literally every turn and then scrambling to justify their bad policy recommendations.
Lol conspiracy theorist because I think we should have adopted a strategy that was developed by epidemiologists from Harvard, Oxford and Stanford.
i guess i'll repeat my question since it's quite specific to the origin of this thread.
if an unvaccinated FSU football player gets his first shot now, 25 days out from game day, is he vaccinated but not yet fully vaccinated?
no player that gets vaccinated today would be considered fully vaccinated until at least 9/15/21 or 9/22/21 depending on whether it was pfizer or moderna. a single dose of either of those has been found in studies to be more effective than J&J (85% vs 67%).
if an unvaccinated FSU football player gets his first shot now, 25 days out from game day, is he vaccinated but not yet fully vaccinated?
no player that gets vaccinated today would be considered fully vaccinated until at least 9/15/21 or 9/22/21 depending on whether it was pfizer or moderna. a single dose of either of those has been found in studies to be more effective than J&J (85% vs 67%).
Depends on the source of the facts. Forget conservative radio and tv.
About half of Floridians have been " vaccinated". I don't know if that means all the shots or partial. Surely someone knows if the most recent outbreak is more severe among the UNvaxed, or the vaxed (I'd look it up myself, but at 10,800 feet and one bar,some of the time, that gets tedious). If the incidence rate is way higher among the UNvaxed, then much of this thread is like arguing on the number of angels who can dance on a pin head-- fun, but of limited relevance. I'm sure with the explosion going on there, you got enough sample sets to go from.
