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Well that science makes sense. If you recently had Covid you have antibodies just like if you have the vaccine. However, those anti-bodies are running out after a 3-8 months, depending on the study, so at that point they're still recommending you get the vaccine to increase your anti-bodies back up.
That is normal for viral infections as well as vaccinations. Immunity reactions remain in the T cells at that point. And the research doesn't say that it is "running out after 3-8 months", but that antibodies naturally decay, but still exists at 10 months (the time span covered).

The Provincetown Cluster that the CDC used to ring the bell here, is impossible to generalize to the public because it occurred during a gay pride event, where middle age men were congregating intimately and having multiple sex partners. Gay men are vulnerable to a variety of viruses, and a good percentage of them are HIV positive and on anti-viral medication making them immune suppressed. 85% of the Covid cases were from men, and yet only a couple of the over 400 positive cases were hospitalized and no deaths. This is the CDC fear mongering, not about science.

Still no data indicating increased risk from Delta for hospitalizations or deaths, although there are some anecdotal evidence that children are being hospitalized at a greater rate than before. Last week the headlines were that 15% of the cases were children, but since the beginning is has been 14.6% . So nothing really to see there.
 
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If science was followed they would be testing all players. The science shows vaccinated people carry as much load as unvaccinated.
Again, I'm not getting into the science, only what they will be doing with those who aren't vaccinated. Many players have recently chosen to get the vaccine to avoid the contact tracing and missing of games.
 
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Yep, the vaccinated ones didn't know they were sick until they were told, like the unvaccinated kids. Amazingly none were hospitalized and all survived. It is odd how the vaccinated sick are not a worry until they are near an unvaxxed positive , but whatever. These surprise breakthroughs are not helping at all, especially given the high case numbers and low death numbers they keep saying will happen "in the next 2 weeks".
My 25 year old brother is fully vaxxed with Pfizer, got it back in March. 3 and a half weeks ago he got covid and was symptomatic/sick for 7 days. This is compared to my Dad who got the ancestral strain back in August at the age of 71 with high BP and high cholesterol plus a significant cardiac history. He thought his allergies were flaring up.

And no it isn't amazing that none of them weren't hospitalized. Covid is literally no threat to young healthy people. Like in the case of my brother, he is young and healthy. People mistake getting sick and feeling crappy for a few days with something actually threatening your life.
 
If science was followed they would be testing all players. The science shows vaccinated people carry as much load as unvaccinated.
That report is questionable by it's own admittance. They're testing for viral RNA with the test they did. Positive tests are picking up the RNA. RNA remains even when the virus is dead so they can't say whether it's truly a live covid-19 virus that is transmittable.

Non-delta variants unvaccinated were shedding 1,000 times more. Delta they don't really know yet but other studies have suggested unvaccinated still shed more than vaccinated but the difference isn't nearly as high.
 
Remind me again.

If the vaccine is so effective (I believe it is) than why are the unvaccinated endangering them? I mean, again, they’re spending millions on campaigns to get folks vaccinated. Once that happens, you’re clear.

If that’s not the case, then don’t push people to vaccinate and focus on treatments.

Seems to be you want it both ways. Everyone must get vaccinated but the unvaccinated are endangering you.

As for these kids, the concern isn’t health. It’s contact tracing and how it impacts the team. Teams will lose games because of contact tracing. But, they’re 18-22 year old healthy kids. They’ll be fine
It is simple. Viruses can mutate during replication. Replication is suppressed in people who have been vaccinated. Thus, a large unvaccinated populace can lead to a potentially more deadly variant.
 
We also can't push our hospital systems, doctors, and nurses to the edge of collapse twice a year
Blame the media. There is no reason for what is happening. The hospital is being overun with there normal cases, plus you have a lot of people who over the past year who have neglected crucial medical care for lifelong conditions they have out of pure fear of leaving the house. Then you have mild to moderate covid cases flooding the emergency room. These are cases that do not need to be going to the hospital, this is home self care but the people are being scared to death thinking Covid is a death sentence.

It is completely irresponsible what is happening in this country. You don't turn on the news and see calm journalists reminding people that if they are healthy the virus is a statistical non-threatening. They don't tell people what to expect when sick with covid (very mild to moderate flu symptoms lasting up to 8-10 days). They don't discuss treatment options, which the virus is very treatable.

Look just in Florida. Even though the cases have gone up the deaths have remained quite low. For a number of reasons. Delta while more contagious is less deadly. Better treatment. And younger populations getting the virus with better immune systems equipped to handle it. On the back end we will see Florida in a better position as the state will be far closer to a real herd immunity.
 
It is simple. Viruses can mutate during replication. Replication is suppressed in people who have been vaccinated. Thus, a large unvaccinated populace can lead to a potentially more deadly variant.
Only the delta variant isn't nearly as deadly as the ancestral strain.
 
If science was followed they would be testing all players. The science shows vaccinated people carry as much load as unvaccinated.

I read the articles we are basing this claim on and I’m not fully convinced. They need more research. Poor sample sizes, poor diversity in their sample population. Questionable research to base public policy on.
 
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Only the delta variant isn't nearly as deadly as the ancestral strain.
Well they don't know that yet. The people most impacted either are vaccinated, got it and recovered or passed away. We do know it's more contagious. Some studies say it's a bit more likely to cause severe illness but deaths hard to know right now.
 
"ChiefWB brings gun to fistfight."
Most of the articles are irrelevant to the actual topic not to mention the cdc and who have been wholly unreliable this whole time.

And a distinction needs to be clear. N95 and above masks in clinical settings absolutely have been shown to work. It is your surgical, cloth, etc masks out in the community that have shown time and again not to make any statistical difference in spread of respiratory viruses and we have studies going back decades on this.

But all of a sudden we have studies saying these lesser masks do work in the community with quite shoddy research put out by those imposing the mask mandates.

How many times alone has the WHO tried to alter the definition of herd immunity? That alone screams agenda.
 
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I read the articles we are basing this claim on and I’m not fully convinced. They need more research. Poor sample sizes, poor diversity in their sample population. Questionable research to base public policy on.
Maybe if you didn't have the foreign data that we have available especially from Iceland and Israel who are ahead of us on population vaccination rates and what is happening there reinforces the articles.
 
Well they don't know that yet. The people most impacted either are vaccinated, got it and recovered or passed away. We do know it's more contagious. Some studies say it's a bit more likely to cause severe illness but deaths hard to know right now.
We have global data sets plenty large enough. It is quite a bit less lethal than the ancestral strain.
 
I'm all for teaching team unity, cooperation, looking out for your team beyond yourself. And I think 85%+ vaccination rate demonstrates that. I doubt any team below 85% even wins a conference title this season. If your team doesn't meet that threshold, odds are it will be a disappointing season. The competitive disadvantage your team will face if you don't meet that threshold is massive.

But having your team and season being walked down the plank at gunpoint, with mRNA vaccines that are not yet FDA approved? No legit legal recourse if you suffer long term side effects (which we know nothing about), and it damages your pro career? That's messed up. I don't think this is a situation where healthy, very not at risk 18-23 year old teams should be forced to be made examples of for the rest of society.
 
We have global data sets plenty large enough. It is quite a bit less lethal than the ancestral strain.
Israel has a ton of J&J vaccinations included in their data set which is poor against Delta and provides no help on whether Pfizer and Moderna are better against it.

Depends which studies you're referring to. Canada/Singapore show higher hospitalization and death rates with Delta. I don't think we can really say anything definitely other than it's more contagious.
 
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Israel has a ton of J&J vaccinations included in their data set which is poor against Delta and provides no help on whether Pfizer and Moderna are better against it.

Depends which studies you're referring to. Canada/Singapore show higher hospitalization and death rates with Delta. I don't think we can really say anything definitely other than it's more contagious.
Well I don't know how much data one needs. We have made policy decisions based off incredibly small data sets with tests that had pretty severe limitations yet we use the data like it is clear. And with Delta we have quite a bit of data on this regardless of vaccination status that seems to show that Delta is 1. More contagious and 2. Less lethal.

But we can agree to disagree on this.

All of this still really takes away from the real conversation on how the entire response being adopted by policy makers is not working and that there is a clear alternative that potentially could work and the discussion is being buried.
 
I'm not getting into the science of it and am not necessarily disagreeing on that. I'm only talking about what happens to the team and the specific guys who aren't vaccinated. Those guys, whether they've had the virus previously or not, will be tested and will be contact-traced. Those who are vaccinated will not be tested or contact-traced unless they show symptoms. That's from our medical staff. The more we have vaccinated, the less likely we'll see cancelled games or players missing games. We are closer to being above 90% if you count the ones who have had the virus, but that doesn't matter when it comes to how they will be treated.
We could move past all of the trepidation and mis-trust on this by having the FDA do their job and certify the vaccines. Another example of the govt. being slow to the draw and leaving a vacuum for the press/politicians to use this as a political partisan tool to divide reasonable Americans.
 
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We could move past all of the trepidation and mis-trust on this by having the FDA do their job and certify the vaccines. Another example of the govt. being slow to the draw and leaving a vacuum for the press/politicians to use this as a political partisan tool to divide reasonable Americans.
I definitely agree.
 
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We could move past all of the trepidation and mis-trust on this by having the FDA do their job and certify the vaccines. Another example of the govt. being slow to the draw and leaving a vacuum for the press/politicians to use this as a political partisan tool to divide reasonable Americans.
What will the excuse be after that for the anti-vaxx crowd?
 
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Most of the articles are irrelevant to the actual topic not to mention the cdc and who have been wholly unreliable this whole time.

And a distinction needs to be clear. N95 and above masks in clinical settings absolutely have been shown to work. It is your surgical, cloth, etc masks out in the community that have shown time and again not to make any statistical difference in spread of respiratory viruses and we have studies going back decades on this.

But all of a sudden we have studies saying these lesser masks do work in the community with quite shoddy research put out by those imposing the mask mandates.

How many times alone has the WHO tried to alter the definition of herd immunity? That alone screams agenda.
Coming the guy who keeps offering his opinion as fact, this should be expected. I will give you this though, you are persistent.
 
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What will the excuse be after that for the anti-vaxx crowd?

What will the excuse be after that for the anti-vaxx crowd?
Who knows but that one will be off the table. Look at the demographics of whos' resisted to date and you can come up with a plan to address. At some point in time its time to move on. We've picked our team and its time to stop the madness and get on with life. A variation of this virus will be with us for a long time. Just like the flu.
 
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We could move past all of the trepidation and mis-trust on this by having the FDA do their job and certify the vaccines. Another example of the govt. being slow to the draw and leaving a vacuum for the press/politicians to use this as a political partisan tool to divide reasonable Americans.
I think we’re only a month or so away from pulling the emergency authorization and giving full FDA approval
 
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I would recommend listening to the roughly 6 min presentation and look through the corresponding links.
Dt. Stock is a PCP that seems to a big proponent of vitamins. He has zero board certifications and the Indiana Health Department immediately responded disagreeing with essentially everything he said.
 
In other words, a Quack.
He said the key component on who gets sick from Covid is how much Vitamin D is in their system. He said the medical establishment should be studying this instead of "the virus itself." Seems like a guy to go to for your virology needs.

When your experts big work on the subject is showing up to a local school board meeting then maybe you've got the wrong expert.
 
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