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So you believe that Winston was the only passenger and he was in the car next to the driver.

So were his friends in the car or were they not? If the girl says it was just him, I believe her. She's not trying to be in the spotlight or make a few bucks. If she wanted to make a few bucks she would have asked to be paid to stay silent.
Yep. She reported it right away. Did not sue. Did not do anything else. I suspect female Uber drivers deal with all kinds of poor conduct (I will not sit in the front seat with a female Uber driver just for appearance issues). Their only recourse is to report to Uber.

Sorry but I don’t buy the “i coming forward because it’s the right thing” approach. If you don’t call the police them it’s probably not a crime.

I also find when these women say “I don’t want attention”; they actually really do.

Because if it’s not money and you didn’t feel bad enough to call the police then why now?
Do you really think the police act on "he put his hand on my crotch" claims? They don't. It may technically be a battery, but the police don't mess with that stuff.

And then later ran to a news service. Sorry but reporters can keep harassing to speak for a story. In fact some publications will give out decent sums of money to get you to speak.
She went public a year and a half later in a public environment where women are being encouraged to bring up old stuff in an attempt to "get people to take notice and act right." Whether the movement is a good idea or not is up for debate, but it makes total sense why she came forward now, and my initial skepticism is gone with seeing she reported it timely.

There's no way he publicly outs who did it, if he didn't. Zero percent chance.
Might be right, but then he deserves ZERO sympathy for the results.
 
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So were his friends in the car or were they not? If the girl says it was just him, I believe her. She's not trying to be in the spotlight or make a few bucks. If she wanted to make a few bucks she would have asked to be paid to stay silent.

She’s a dumb uber driver that probably couldn’t tell who grabbed... if anyone at all did .
 
In a day and age when so many people outright lie ( from those high up on the economic/professional chain to those not as high up), this coming out now, is highly suspicious imo. Even if she did report that something did happen to her, that does not conclusively mean it was Jameis Winston.

So many people in today's world lie, it is a fact. Doctors, lawyers, politicians, actors, teachers, etc etc. That is why I firmly believe EVERYONE has to be vetted, accuser, accused, witness' and so on.

Just last week I was having a discussion with a buddy of mine, on a related subject. I had served with my friend in the Air Force almost thirty years ago. I worked with him for almost a year . I reported to him on a project I was working on as a staff officer, and it involved the Pentagon and it's budget, so I had a more senior officer guiding, monitoring my efforts in politically treacherous waters.

This friend retired as a full Bird Colonel (0-6), his last job was as that of Chief of Staff to the Commander of Lackland AFB in Texas . He was prior enlisted during and went to Vietnam. He earned his undergraduate, Masters, and PHD while on active duty. My friend's professionalism was impeccable, he was one of the finest officers I had the privilege to work with and for.

Any way he told me a story (when he was stationed at another base before I worked with him) of where a female enlisted subordinate (along with her AF pararescue member husband), fabricated he had sexually harassed her. This was an attack on my friend's integrity, character and he defended himself vigorously, fought it hard, proving it was totally without any shred of believability, as well as completely outrageous.

Her story started to unravel when/where she claimed it happen there was CCTV proof she was elsewhere.. He deception went downhill from there.

Long story short was it came out both the woman and her husband made it up, outright fabricated the entire accusation. She did this cause she was mad at my friend for not allowing her to transfer to another position/squadron on base, since her skills and expertise were needed in his unit. Along with that it came out she had pysh issues which contributed, for which she was separated from the Air Force for both lying and her mental health issues.

So in a day and age where so many lie, I want to see the evidence before I jump on any bandwagons and condemn another.

I am not necessarily saying JW did or did not do it, but too many dishonest or disingenuous people are driven by their agendas today. It's one thing when there are so many credible, corroborating and consistent accounts of some one's unacceptable behavior/actions.

It's another in my opinion when a single accusation is coming out quite a significant time after it allegedly occurred. Let's see incontrovertible proof, or at least it is too hard to discount or dismiss.

Whether a situation involves a politician, athlete, celebrity, whomever, in this country I believe you are still innocent until proven guilty, whether in the court of public opinion or a court of law (unless as one recent politician there is a picture of you groping another). Call me cynical, but with all the dishonest people making untrue claims (yes, along with those that are not only true, but the accused should be held accountable), I will remain suspicious until it can no longer be denied.

In any event, I hope this story on JW turns out to be without truth, if not, he alone is responsible for his own actions.

ps. Remember when some drunk college student accused DC of hitting her, but only supposedly recalled it was Dalvin when her father showed her a picture of DC and her father said it was him. Yes, I am very suspicious.
 
You mean like when a person sues someone and then a bunch of random people come forward to get money or part of settlement? Yeah it happens all the time.

Once someone gets black-balled then they’re always at risk to having other accusations. See Jose Canseco life as an example.

Sorry I’m just really skeptical when it involves a famous person until there’s solid proof.
I get your point, but if you assume everyone who accuses a famous or rich or powerful is falsely accused unless you have a video, then you are giving them leeway no one else gets. That is not fair, and it's even worse when objectively it is exactly those people who tend (not all, but many) to consider themselves so untouchable that they do stuff like this. It may be that JW5 does that with a lot of girls and it usually results in sex or other fun, but it's still wrong.
 
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I get your point, but if you assume everyone who accuses a famous or rich or powerful is falsely accused unless you have a video, then you are giving them leeway no one else gets. That is not fair, and it's even worse when objectively it is exactly those people who tend (not all, but many) to consider themselves so untouchable that they do stuff like this. It may be that JW5 does that with a lot of girls and it usually results in sex or other fun, but it's still wrong.
He's basically saying if you are rich and famous, any accusation of wrongdoing against them is judged with suspicion thus insulating them. And it's a standard you or me don't get. So I guess it's true, when you're famous, they just let you do it.
 
In a day and age when so many people outright lie ( from those high up on the economic/professional chain to those not as high up), this coming out now, is highly suspicious imo. Even if she did report that something did happen to her, that does not conclusively mean it was Jameis Winston.

So many people in today's world lie, it is a fact. Doctors, lawyers, politicians, actors, teachers, etc etc. That is why I firmly believe EVERYONE has to be vetted, accuser, accused, witness' and so on.

Just last week I was having a discussion with a buddy of mine, on a related subject. I had served with my friend in the Air Force almost thirty years ago. I worked with him for almost a year . I reported to him on a project I was working on as a staff officer, and it involved the Pentagon and it's budget, so I had a more senior officer guiding, monitoring my efforts in politically treacherous waters.

This friend retired as a full Bird Colonel (0-6), his last job was as that of Chief of Staff to the Commander of Lackland AFB in Texas . He was prior enlisted during and went to Vietnam. He earned his undergraduate, Masters, and PHD while on active duty. My friend's professionalism was impeccable, he was one of the finest officers I had the privilege to work with and for.

Any way he told me a story (when he was stationed at another base before I worked with him) of where a female enlisted subordinate (along with her AF pararescue member husband), fabricated he had sexually harassed her. This was an attack on my friend's integrity, character and he defended himself vigorously, fought it hard, proving it was totally without any shred of believability, as well as completely outrageous.

Her story started to unravel when/where she claimed it happen there was CCTV proof she was elsewhere.. He deception went downhill from there.

Long story short was it came out both the woman and her husband made it up, outright fabricated the entire accusation. She did this cause she was mad at my friend for not allowing her to transfer to another position/squadron on base, since her skills and expertise were needed in his unit. Along with that it came out she had pysh issues which contributed, for which she was separated from the Air Force for both lying and her mental health issues.

So in a day and age where so many lie, I want to see the evidence before I jump on any bandwagons and condemn another.

I am not necessarily saying JW did or did not do it, but too many dishonest or disingenuous people are driven by their agendas today. It's one thing when there are so many credible, corroborating and consistent accounts of some one's unacceptable behavior/actions.

It's another in my opinion when a single accusation is coming out quite a significant time after it allegedly occurred. Let's see incontrovertible proof, or at least it is too hard to discount or dismiss.

Whether a situation involves a politician, athlete, celebrity, whomever, in this country I believe you are still innocent until proven guilty, whether in the court of public opinion or a court of law (unless as one recent politician there is a picture of you groping another). Call me cynical, but with all the dishonest people making untrue claims (yes, along with those that are not only true, but the accused should be held accountable), I will remain suspicious until it can no longer be denied.

In any event, I hope this story on JW turns out to be without truth, if not, he alone is responsible for his own actions.,
I agree. You can't just assume truth from anyone. I have posted before here that I was falsely accused in college and my life would have been ruined except I was able to show I was 30 miles away at the time of the alleged assault. I totally get how bad it can be. However, we can't let that cause us to assume people aren't being truthful. There are other indicia of truthfulness. Here, the timing, the immediate report, the response (which we don't have), and the fact even now she is not suing or anything, all tend toward believability. That could change. On the other hand, we already have JW's camp first saying it was just his account, and then JW going public with a "she can't tell who was in the car and if I made her feel bad I am sorry." Credibility is quickly gathering on her side.
 
You mean like when a person sues someone and then a bunch of random people come forward to get money or part of settlement? Yeah it happens all the time.

Once someone gets black-balled then they’re always at risk to having other accusations. See Jose Canseco life as an example.

Sorry I’m just really skeptical when it involves a famous person until there’s solid proof.

Proof of what? In the case of Winston, how exactly should that girl have provided proof that she was groped?
 
She went public a year and a half later in a public environment where women are being encouraged to bring up old stuff in an attempt to "get people to take notice and act right." Whether the movement is a good idea or not is up for debate, but it makes total sense why she came forward now, and my initial skepticism is gone with seeing she reported it timely.

Un-uh spare me the liberal special Interests agenda. You want to create more awareness then train people to come forward RIGHT AWAY to legal authorities. Not a reporter, not a movie, not an eskewed documentary that alters statistics.

Sorry I’ve yet to see an interview from the Baylor soccer player that was rape by the Boise State transfer. She went to law to handle it and that’s it.

This feminist agenda who all want to be Anita Hill and think somehow they’re more endangered now then 50 years ago is misguided.
 
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Sorry, but police will act on a “he grabbed my whoha” claim. A report will be taken and it will go to a sex crimes investigator in most cases. Don’t give me this crap “ all she could do was report it to Uber”. What, is there an Uber police ? Uber should have encouraged her to file a police report, if they care about their drivers.
 
I agree. You can't just assume truth from anyone. I have posted before here that I was falsely accused in college and my life would have been ruined except I was able to show I was 30 miles away at the time of the alleged assault. I totally get how bad it can be. However, we can't let that cause us to assume people aren't being truthful. There are other indicia of truthfulness. Here, the timing, the immediate report, the response (which we don't have), and the fact even now she is not suing or anything, all tend toward believability. That could change. On the other hand, we already have JW's camp first saying it was just his account, and then JW going public with a "she can't tell who was in the car and if I made her feel bad I am sorry." Credibility is quickly gathering on her side.


AllNoles, you know I usually tend to agree with you, as you consistently make excellent points through the years. I do not share your perception on this particular situation.

There is not a shred of supporting information, at this point, that it was JW who in fact groped her.

Was he in the car yes, is the answer given by JW and his highly paid PR person lacking (as in muddying not clearing the water), yes, but that does not make it any more credible. Nor does the fact that she has to this point not attempted to sue JW. Not everyone can put out a statement that is clear, concise and strong enough to immediately shoot down an accusation, which in my mind is still very unclear.

I'll just disagree, until something else comes out to make this incident hard to dismiss, that the girls' credibility is rising.
 
Proof of what? In the case of Winston, how exactly should that girl have provided proof that she was groped?

I don’t know. Why not take out her phone and start videoing his response or documenting somehow? Why not turn that over to authorities?

Sorry I’m just highly skeptical of this 1.5-2 years later “encouraged” to come forward stuff. I always wonder what’s being “encouraged” when it involves a famous person especially when there was a very publicized incident about him and an madeup story that he got away with something. Weve all the seen misguided groups come out of the woodwork about him.
 
He's basically saying if you are rich and famous, any accusation of wrongdoing against them is judged with suspicion thus insulating them. And it's a standard you or me don't get. So I guess it's true, when you're famous, they just let you do it.

When accusations are sent to a form of media? Yeah, sorry I don’t trust the “look-at-me” generation to be completely honest.
 
I get your point, but if you assume everyone who accuses a famous or rich or powerful is falsely accused unless you have a video, then you are giving them leeway no one else gets. That is not fair, and it's even worse when objectively it is exactly those people who tend (not all, but many) to consider themselves so untouchable that they do stuff like this. It may be that JW5 does that with a lot of girls and it usually results in sex or other fun, but it's still wrong.

When it involves a famously rich person? Yes, I need proof.

Look I know people on here will hate this example but Michael Irvin still gets accused of stuff that he wasn’t involved with because of his partying legal problems when he was player. He got accused of being in a bar fight at a sports bar his last year with Cowboys and he wasn’t even at that location and had someone verify were he actually was when that incident happened. It stands out to me because he said to a group of reporters that he wanted them to retract what they wrote about him with that incident. Obviously that never happened.

You google people in Hollywood that this stuff happens to as well and why they have security teams with them.
 
One accusation, I may give you the benefit of the doubt. We've all met a lying conniving woman.

More than one, i.e. Roethisburger..... I start questioning you.
That's kind of foolish. One false accusations that ends in a settlement and fame for the crapcuser only encourages more false accusations.
One accusation with proof is what changes things
 
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Yep. She reported it right away. Did not sue. Did not do anything else. I suspect female Uber drivers deal with all kinds of poor conduct (I will not sit in the front seat with a female Uber driver just for appearance issues). Their only recourse is to report to Uber.

Do you really think the police act on "he put his hand on my crotch" claims? They don't. It may technically be a battery, but the police don't mess with that stuff.

She went public a year and a half later in a public environment where women are being encouraged to bring up old stuff in an attempt to "get people to take notice and act right." Whether the movement is a good idea or not is up for debate, but it makes total sense why she came forward now, and my initial skepticism is gone with seeing she reported it timely.

Might be right, but then he deserves ZERO sympathy for the results.
Lol. Love how claiming abuse during a time where it garners public fame and support somehow makes claims more valid. There are many flaws in your reasoning that assume guilt before weighing her actions.

In the end without proof her claim is nothing. It's a fart in the wind you seem to enjoy sniffing.
 
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Sounds made up because of all the politicians and actors being accused. Just sound made up
 
Wake you up after some facts? Driver reported it to Uber, the report is in the story, the account on the ride was Jameis. Uber suspended Jameis' account. She told several people at the time. Not saying this is a true allegation, but there are certainly some "facts."

Those really aren't facts of an assault. Maybe she expected a big tip and didn't get one so she got back at him by making up a reason to get him banned on uber. Now she wants to cash in on the "me too" culture.

Until you have been the victim of a false accuser don't assume they are truthful, women make up stuff all the time to get back at men.
 
Maybe if it's your first accusation. But when you have been accused of something more than once, people start to wonder.

But previous allegations embolden others to also falsely accuse because of the bias you mention.
 
I literally was just having a conversation along these exact same lines with my brother this morning, having not even heard anything about Jameis yet. I absolutely love that women are taking a stand and speaking out against sexual misconduct from their male counterparts - because many of the things they are describing are simply not okay, and shouldn't be moving forward. It's a progressive and productive thing for society. Just because a statute of limitations exists, does not make these acts acceptable.

Where I agree with you 100% is that the media and a seemingly growing portion of our society seem to equate ANY act of sexual misconduct with something horrifying like rape or murder. There are degrees of virtually every crime out there with subsequent varying degrees of charges and punishment, yet for some reason these particular acts are all lumped together and made out to be the worst act(s) a human being can commit against another. I think we're getting a little carried away in that regard.

I will reemphasize, though, that what these women are doing is a good thing, not a bad thing. The acts are unacceptable, period.

False accusations are worse than what the majority are accusing men of.
 
Those really aren't facts of an assault. Maybe she expected a big tip and didn't get one so she got back at him by making up a reason to get him banned on uber. Now she wants to cash in on the "me too" culture.

Until you have been the victim of a false accuser don't assume they are truthful, women make up stuff all the time to get back at men.
Uber drivers aren’t tipped.
Tough to cash in anonymously.
Ignoring assault claims because there have been false ones isn’t the solution.
 
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March of 2016? Sorry but this screams money grab.

What a coincidence that it’s coming out when all these Hollywood allegations are surfacing. Why not pursue it when it actually occurred, was jameis threatening her career as an Uber driver?

He is such an easy target. I’m not trying to be insensitive because a lot of this stuff in the news is disturbing right now. But why is this suddenly being pursued over twenty months later?
 
Lol. Love how claiming abuse during a time where it garners public fame and support somehow makes claims more valid. There are many flaws in your reasoning that assume guilt before weighing her actions.

In the end without proof her claim is nothing. It's a fart in the wind you seem to enjoy sniffing.

Sorry, but you are way out of line on your last sentence!! So because someone disagrees with you, you attack, demean or disparage them?? I expect that out of a turd fan (or a certain political perception I know).

Do I think the girl may have an agenda or really has no clue who groped her, yeah. Do I feel some people are all jumping on the "Me too" bandwagon, when some maybe have no right to (or maybe they just want to be in the spotlight as well), yes again. None of my skepticism takes away from the fact that sexual assault or harassment is in fact a real issue and should not only be dealt with in strong terms, but never tolerated. I am pretty cynical since so many people seem to be lying these days, still that does not mean every instance should be carefully looked at.

I actually doubt the accusation is legit (as clearly indicated by my previous posts), having said that just because I am suspicious, I do not ridicule another (in this case AllNoles) for taking the position he has taken.

AllNoles certainly does not need me to come to his defense, but from reading his posts over the years, he is certainly reasonable, levelheaded, and civil. His legal .02 always seems to be sound, supported and well backed up.

When I disagreed with him earlier I just took a different view. I do not share his last post about people doubting women either.

So how about you just say you disagree and leave it at that!!
 
Lol. Love how claiming abuse during a time where it garners public fame and support somehow makes claims more valid. There are many flaws in your reasoning that assume guilt before weighing her actions.

In the end without proof her claim is nothing. It's a fart in the wind you seem to enjoy sniffing.
Nah. I just realize that one of the most important things to these is a timely record. She made it immediately. Not now; but 18 months ago.

I disagree with those who say police would have done something. Few women would go to police about this. It was rude. It was wrong. It’s not what we usually prosecute. So she did what she could do at the time.
 
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I’ll never understand why people can’t just not read threads they don’t like.
Because this thread is far from the purpose of this particular board and plenty times before like threads have been moved.
 
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