Jameis being investigated for groping Uber driver NEW: Jameis Responds
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So this was reported to Uber a year ago and is now coming out? That’s disappointing. They should have had it investigated back then. I’m not defending JW5. Even with EK I never said it didn’t happen. I just said there was no credible evidence it did because when was in no way believable.
Might be different this time. He didn’t have the best judgment and the EK stuff wasn’t good even if you just take the best case scenario.
Might be different this time. He didn’t have the best judgment and the EK stuff wasn’t good even if you just take the best case scenario.
I was groped by 3 women in my gym last week, who do I contact
I saw Mark Schlabach at the local Dicks Sporting Goods store buying camping supplies.
Read article. This isn’t good. That said, it’s also not near the EK story. I suspect you can find a similar story any time you have drunk men with influence/power near any good looking women. That may just be his move to see if a girl will give it up and I bet it usually works.
That doesn’t make it ok. At all. There are some good things about the current spotlight on sexual propriety in the last few years. But we’re also ignoring thousands of years of history where men are usually pigs and women deal with it. It is a good thing to redefine things more clearly and to expect more of men in many situations. But I don’t think it’s right to equate this kind of boorish behavior with rape or turn them into career ending stuff.
And I still hate the idea of the NFL investigating. They are a sports league. They aren’t there to clarify sexual propriety rules for the country. Then again I don’t care because I don’t want anyway.
That doesn’t make it ok. At all. There are some good things about the current spotlight on sexual propriety in the last few years. But we’re also ignoring thousands of years of history where men are usually pigs and women deal with it. It is a good thing to redefine things more clearly and to expect more of men in many situations. But I don’t think it’s right to equate this kind of boorish behavior with rape or turn them into career ending stuff.
And I still hate the idea of the NFL investigating. They are a sports league. They aren’t there to clarify sexual propriety rules for the country. Then again I don’t care because I don’t want anyway.
If you say you're "waiting for facts" I'm not sure you will ever convict a man of sexual harassment. These crimes, are by nature, almost always "he said, she said" due to the private circumstances in which they typically take place. If this woman was seeking financial gain I think she would have dropped him off and driven straight to the best attorney's office she could find and filed suit within weeks.
It probably happened, he was probably drunk, its terrible behavior regardless of your level of sobriety, and I hope he suffers the full and appropriate wrath that should be rendered a consequence for this choice(s).
It probably happened, he was probably drunk, its terrible behavior regardless of your level of sobriety, and I hope he suffers the full and appropriate wrath that should be rendered a consequence for this choice(s).
I literally was just having a conversation along these exact same lines with my brother this morning, having not even heard anything about Jameis yet. I absolutely love that women are taking a stand and speaking out against sexual misconduct from their male counterparts - because many of the things they are describing are simply not okay, and shouldn't be moving forward. It's a progressive and productive thing for society. Just because a statute of limitations exists, does not make these acts acceptable.
Where I agree with you 100% is that the media and a seemingly growing portion of our society seem to equate ANY act of sexual misconduct with something horrifying like rape or murder. There are degrees of virtually every crime out there with subsequent varying degrees of charges and punishment, yet for some reason these particular acts are all lumped together and made out to be the worst act(s) a human being can commit against another. I think we're getting a little carried away in that regard.
I will reemphasize, though, that what these women are doing is a good thing, not a bad thing. The acts are unacceptable, period.
He already has. I don't know one non FSU fan that likes Winston. They see a pattern of behavior from him that most Nole fans (me not included) don't, or at least choose to ignore.
The big issue with this for me is, the Uber driver could not identify the one who groped her, but because it was his account used to book the ride, he is the one accused. That makes no sense and does not sit well with me.
I’ll agree but also say facts do matter. And time matters. From Winston’s camps response it seems they’re suggesting someone else may have been in the car. The driver clearly doesn’t know who Winston is. It is possible they used his account and put someone else in there. I do it all the time with my account. I’ll order rides and get people home like that. It’s obvious it’s not me when I put my GF in my Uber, but it’s not as clear when I put a drunk friend in one.
I’m not saying this is the case. I don’t know. But I’d like to, and it’s a lot easier to get this right when you investigate sooner than later.
I won’t defend him at all if he did this. I will still believe we need to be correct about scope and context (boorish behavior v rape, etc) but I won’t defend him. I will argue we should look at facts first.
It does appear very unlikely she wasn’t groped. If Winston’s people are floating a “it wasn’t him” defense and it was, they all deserve to burn.
“There, Kate told BuzzFeed News that a small group of men excitedly told her that she would be chauffeuring someone famous that night — Jameis Winston, 2013 Heisman Trophy winner and now quarterback for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
The men placed Winston in the front passenger seat — Kate said he was the only passenger. “I started driving, and right away, Jameis behaved poorly” by shouting, in part, homophobic slurs at pedestrians, said Kate, who did not want to be identified by her full name for fear of negative attention and potential backlash from football fans. He then asked to stop for food.”
Yet, she couldn’t identify him? Color me suspicious for now.
The men placed Winston in the front passenger seat — Kate said he was the only passenger. “I started driving, and right away, Jameis behaved poorly” by shouting, in part, homophobic slurs at pedestrians, said Kate, who did not want to be identified by her full name for fear of negative attention and potential backlash from football fans. He then asked to stop for food.”
Yet, she couldn’t identify him? Color me suspicious for now.
Large black man. If his group made a big deal about him being in the one getting a ride - and then that happened - I would google him. I’d be sure that was him. A million photos on google.
That said, if it was NOT him, don’t use HIS Uber account. That’s bad judgement in and of itself.
I’m assuming there’s no video. Do Uber drivers ever have video set up?
How would she identify him? She didn’t know him.
It’s a perfectly rational thing to think the guy in the Uber is the guy whose app was used. But it’s not the final word. Honestly the reality is Winston knows who it was. His Uber wasn’t hacked. The only thing for him to do now is identify who it was if it wasn’t him. If he doesn’t, I believe it was him.
It’s a perfectly rational thing to think the guy in the Uber is the guy whose app was used. But it’s not the final word. Honestly the reality is Winston knows who it was. His Uber wasn’t hacked. The only thing for him to do now is identify who it was if it wasn’t him. If he doesn’t, I believe it was him.
Lots of people use their Uber accounts to get friends around. I’m sure it’s even more true when you have Winston’s wealth. That said he would know who it was.
I think the lesson here is: don't use your uber account to get rides for other people.
Very nice post.
I think as a society we're at the beginning of a journey to figure out what proportionate social/career consequences ought to be for varying degrees of sexual harassment, misconduct, and abuse, and also do we have different expectations from people in different positions - i.e. something career ending for a clergyman ought not be for a bus driver, or vice versa.
And it’s easy to deal with. Say who it was. It WAS his account. Let’s not get silly defending too much. He can clear things up by saying who it was. If he won’t, he will be assumed to have done this. He has no capital on stuff like this.
Not sure that he needs to publicly name his friend who did it, but I'd imagine he will need to name names to NFL security / police when asked.
Just tweeted to Jameis to identify the guy if it was someone else in the car. Yeah, I’m a dork. But I defended him because it was right given the facts. I will always be objective.
100% Correct today , If you're explaining you're losing !!!!!
Yes. Yes he does. If he expects the public to have ANY confidence in him after all the stuff he’s been through, it’s time for full disclosure. If it’s more important to protect his buddy from the embarrassment (no crime is likely) then he deserves to get drilled.
Jameis is accused and hopefully innocent, the president is on tape admitting he grabs women by their private area.
That's a value decision but not one that should impact his employment if he can be honest in disclosing necessary details to the NFL/police.
Can society skewer him, yes. But if it's more important to him to not throw his friend to the wolves (even though the friend might deserve it), then that's a choice Jameis has the right to make and deal w/ the societal fall out.
Exactly. He needs to name every single person in the car. And if he recalls, he needs to say who was sitting where and get there versions of the story as well.
A key fact that should easily be able to be proven or not is if he was the only passenger in the car or not.
Is it just me or does there seem to be record number of sexual harassment allegations in the news these days.
I would like to also send out a special thank you to all the ambulance chasers who made it possible to sue anyone for damn near anything over false allegations. Here’s hoping Jameis is telling the truth. You’d thought he learned his F’ing lesson. My dad always says let your pocket book be your guide.
I would like to also send out a special thank you to all the ambulance chasers who made it possible to sue anyone for damn near anything over false allegations. Here’s hoping Jameis is telling the truth. You’d thought he learned his F’ing lesson. My dad always says let your pocket book be your guide.
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Jameis response:
Statement
A news organization has published a story about me regarding an alleged incident involving a female Uber driver from approximately two years ago. The story falsely accuses me of making inappropriate contact with this driver. I believe the driver was confused as to the number of passengers in the car and who was sitting next to her. The accusation is false, and given the nature of the allegation and increased awareness and consideration of these types of matters, I am addressing this false report immediately. At the time of the alleged incident, I denied the allegations to Uber, yet they still decided to suspend my account.
I am supportive of the national movement to raise awareness and develop better responses to the concerns of parties who find themselves in these types of situations, but this accusation is false. While I am certain that I did not make any inappropriate contact, I don’t want to engage in a battle with the driver and I regret if my demeanor or presence made her uncomfortable in any way.
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sqasop
Statement
A news organization has published a story about me regarding an alleged incident involving a female Uber driver from approximately two years ago. The story falsely accuses me of making inappropriate contact with this driver. I believe the driver was confused as to the number of passengers in the car and who was sitting next to her. The accusation is false, and given the nature of the allegation and increased awareness and consideration of these types of matters, I am addressing this false report immediately. At the time of the alleged incident, I denied the allegations to Uber, yet they still decided to suspend my account.
I am supportive of the national movement to raise awareness and develop better responses to the concerns of parties who find themselves in these types of situations, but this accusation is false. While I am certain that I did not make any inappropriate contact, I don’t want to engage in a battle with the driver and I regret if my demeanor or presence made her uncomfortable in any way.
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sqasop
I appreciate his greatness on the field but thats beginning to be it. He won a national title
Here but I still remember like it was yesterday listening to the radio in the early fall of 2013 and hearing ‘Jameis Winston has been accused of sexual assault’ and the avalanche that followed til the day he left and here we sit over 4 years later and more smoke. I don’t wanna believe there was anything to any of this but I’m also not naive.
Here but I still remember like it was yesterday listening to the radio in the early fall of 2013 and hearing ‘Jameis Winston has been accused of sexual assault’ and the avalanche that followed til the day he left and here we sit over 4 years later and more smoke. I don’t wanna believe there was anything to any of this but I’m also not naive.
Stupid idiotic thing to do if he did it. I also wonder why all these women are waiting years to come out and say this kind of stuff happened? Some stupid idiot touched my butt years ago. Some guy kept trying to kiss me 15 years ago. I mean doesn't it seem like this stuff is like becoming a trend to get some dude in trouble for something that happened 10-15 years ago. I'm not condoning the behavior I just think women are starting to think of anything that has ever happened to them in their life from some idiot long ago and coming out with it and going after guys for something neither them or the guy were even thinking about anymore.
This changes no evidence on his rape case by the way.
Even if he did this, this does not mean he raped Kinsman!
Legally he may not have to but he does this at his own risk. Publicly he’s done if he can’t say who did it.
She WILL be believed. The only issue is who did it. If he won’t say who it was, he will eat this. And he should.
i thought the story was ONE person was put in the car.
Per Jameis' statement it sounds like he is disputing that.
This part of his statement: "I believe the driver was confused as to the number of passengers in the car and who was sitting next to her. "
This tells me he knows who else was in the car and who was sitting in the front seat next to her.
I agree, he'll suffer publicly if he doesn't name names or the person who did it doesn't step up... but that's choice / consequence that is up to him to decide. I won't comment on whether he "should" "eat this", but we are a society of bloodlust, so he will.
That of course assumes someone did in fact grope the driver - appears Jameis' statement makes no such indication that any passenger in the car did that.
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