Myocarditis and the Covid Vaccination

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BelemNole

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So the only ones that can have an opinion are doctors? They are the only ones intellectually capable of understanding data? Why the attack? What are you afraid of? Why are you unable to allow for dissension from the narrative? What difference does it make to you, that I am not getting more Covid jabs?

Why no comment on the now 5 scientific papers posted? Are these not relevant?

Inquiring minds want to know............
Just curious why you think your opinion on medical decisions for your spouse and son are more informed than their doctors. Is it just for vaccines or do you second guess all their advice? What about other specialists they may use in their lives? If their car manufacturer issued a recall would you do your 'own research' and perhaps tell them to skip it?
 

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Just curious why you think your opinion on medical decisions for your spouse and son are more informed than their doctors. Is it just for vaccines or do you second guess all their advice? What about other specialists they may use in their lives? If their car manufacturer issued a recall would you do your 'own research' and perhaps tell them to skip it?

You make assumptions that are not there. My wife and I share the same family doctor, who has given us the same advice............currently no need for more boosters. Not all doctors are on the same narrative as you.

As for my son, he is smart and capable of making his own decision. He does ask for my advice. He has for several years now, talked to his doctor about decisions on medical issues including vaccination. He asked me and my advice to him on the first 3 jabs was do it. In fact we went together to get the third jab. Now we are in a different environment and he, like my wife and I got Covid a few months ago. For us, it was a 2-3 day cold. Not even Flu like. So again, we have multiple vaccinations and have had Covid. We know our bodies immune response to Covid and it is solid. It is no longer NOVEL to us. Our medical doctor agrees.

You might want to actually read the scientific papers posted on this thread. Maybe, but probably not, it might give you pause. By the way Dr. Ioannidis is the most cited epidemiologist in the world and has been for a decade. So, like I have said many times in this thread, your argument is with these scientist/MDs, not me. No amount of personal attack of me or my decisions changes that. In fact, it is called a red herring argument, irrelevant to the discussion and done only to avoid talking about the scientific findings posted here.
 

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You make assumptions that are not there. My wife and I share the same family doctor, who has given us the same advice............currently no need for more boosters. Not all doctors are on the same narrative as you.

As for my son, he is smart and capable of making his own decision. He does ask for my advice. He has for several years now, talked to his doctor about decisions on medical issues including vaccination. He asked me and my advice to him on the first 3 jabs was do it. In fact we went together to get the third jab. Now we are in a different environment and he, like my wife and I got Covid a few months ago. For us, it was a 2-3 day cold. Not even Flu like. So again, we have multiple vaccinations and have had Covid. We know our bodies immune response to Covid and it is solid. It is no longer NOVEL to us. Our medical doctor agrees.

You might want to actually read the scientific papers posted on this thread. Maybe, but probably not, it might give you pause. By the way Dr. Ioannidis is the most cited epidemiologist in the world and has been for a decade. So, like I have said many times in this thread, your argument is with these scientist/MDs, not me. No amount of personal attack of me or my decisions changes that. In fact, it is called a red herring argument, irrelevant to the discussion and done only to avoid talking about the scientific findings posted here.
What assumption did I make? I was asking you questions.

BTW, I've had two quotes for a bathroom remodel. It's probably less than 100sq ft. Quotes have been around $10k. What do you think?
 
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What assumption did I make? I was asking you questions.

BTW, I've had two quotes for a bathroom remodel. It's probably less than 100sq ft. Quotes have been around $10k. What do you think?

And this illuminates your real intent. To belittle............to obscure..........to obfuscate.......to avoid discussion. Come back when you grow up.
 

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theory: Being vaccinated spreads Covid and its variants.
 

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theory: Being vaccinated spreads Covid and its variants.
2 equally bright theories:
Carrying an umbrella increases the chance of rain.
I’ve also deduced that because most Americans involved in auto accidents were wearing their seatbelts, deploying your seatbelt boosts your accident risk. Avoid seatbelts like the plague.
 
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"Yesterday, Florida broke bad, again, this time by issuing an explosive new advisory RECOMMENDING AGAINST THE COVID INJECTIONS FOR ALL MEN UNDER 40 YEARS OLD."....

[T]here is an 84% increase in the relative incidence of cardiac-related death among males 18-39 years old within 28 days following mRNA vaccination… With a high level of global immunity to COVID-19, the benefit of vaccination is likely outweighed by this abnormally high risk of cardiac-related death among men in this age group… Males over the age of 60 had a 10% increased risk of cardiac-related death within 28 days of mRNA vaccination [while] Non-mRNA vaccines were not found to have these increased risks among any population....."


 

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"Yesterday, Florida broke bad, again, this time by issuing an explosive new advisory RECOMMENDING AGAINST THE COVID INJECTIONS FOR ALL MEN UNDER 40 YEARS OLD."....

[T]here is an 84% increase in the relative incidence of cardiac-related death among males 18-39 years old within 28 days following mRNA vaccination… With a high level of global immunity to COVID-19, the benefit of vaccination is likely outweighed by this abnormally high risk of cardiac-related death among men in this age group… Males over the age of 60 had a 10% increased risk of cardiac-related death within 28 days of mRNA vaccination [while] Non-mRNA vaccines were not found to have these increased risks among any population....."



Joins multiple countries who have limited it from the young. Extends it to age 40.
 

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"Yesterday, Florida broke bad, again, this time by issuing an explosive new advisory RECOMMENDING AGAINST THE COVID INJECTIONS FOR ALL MEN UNDER 40 YEARS OLD."....

[T]here is an 84% increase in the relative incidence of cardiac-related death among males 18-39 years old within 28 days following mRNA vaccination… With a high level of global immunity to COVID-19, the benefit of vaccination is likely outweighed by this abnormally high risk of cardiac-related death among men in this age group… Males over the age of 60 had a 10% increased risk of cardiac-related death within 28 days of mRNA vaccination [while] Non-mRNA vaccines were not found to have these increased risks among any population....."


Did that come from our always anti-vax Surgeon General? Hilarious.
 
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"Yesterday, Florida broke bad, again, this time by issuing an explosive new advisory RECOMMENDING AGAINST THE COVID INJECTIONS FOR ALL MEN UNDER 40 YEARS OLD."....

[T]here is an 84% increase in the relative incidence of cardiac-related death among males 18-39 years old within 28 days following mRNA vaccination… With a high level of global immunity to COVID-19, the benefit of vaccination is likely outweighed by this abnormally high risk of cardiac-related death among men in this age group… Males over the age of 60 had a 10% increased risk of cardiac-related death within 28 days of mRNA vaccination [while] Non-mRNA vaccines were not found to have these increased risks among any population....."



I went and looked at the study as best I could this morning. It's an interesting methodology, but apparently well used one specifically for vaccination safety. This will just add into the growing list of scientific studies demonstrating cardiac issues with the mRNA Covid vaccinations. IMO, because it is now state guidance it will open the floodgates for folks in all other states to refuse the vaccination (Males up to age 40) and possibly sue. I think it might also force NIH/FDA/CDC/NAID to now do vaccine safety studies, something they have refused to do up to now. I hope that this study is an outlier and larger more powerful studies find a lesser degree of harm, because an 84% increase in cardiac death is a worse case scenario and could cause ripple effects that would cripple vaccination programs for decades.

I have tried to warn folks over the last 6-9 months that the science was coming down the tracks that was pretty ugly. Of course, many just attack me, thinking that was going to make it go away. It's not.

Personally, I never believed in the shut downs, masking mitigation and long term shuttering of schools. The science was never there and they didn't work as mitigation. But, I thought the vaccination was the one good thing that came out of this. Now, we find that even though it was a net positive for over 50 folks and immune compromised folks (along with a few who suffered from certain diseases like diabetes), that public health officials screwed this up too. Never should have given these vaccinations to healthy young folks. If they followed what was known, they could have had much better results protecting those that needed protecting instead of some sort of universal precautions.
 

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I went and looked at the study as best I could this morning. It's an interesting methodology, but apparently well used one specifically for vaccination safety. This will just add into the growing list of scientific studies demonstrating cardiac issues with the mRNA Covid vaccinations. IMO, because it is now state guidance it will open the floodgates for folks in all other states to refuse the vaccination (Males up to age 40) and possibly sue. I think it might also force NIH/FDA/CDC/NAID to now do vaccine safety studies, something they have refused to do up to now. I hope that this study is an outlier and larger more powerful studies find a lesser degree of harm, because an 84% increase in cardiac death is a worse case scenario and could cause ripple effects that would cripple vaccination programs for decades.

I have tried to warn folks over the last 6-9 months that the science was coming down the tracks that was pretty ugly. Of course, many just attack me, thinking that was going to make it go away. It's not.

Personally, I never believed in the shut downs, masking mitigation and long term shuttering of schools. The science was never there and they didn't work as mitigation. But, I thought the vaccination was the one good thing that came out of this. Now, we find that even though it was a net positive for over 50 folks and immune compromised folks (along with a few who suffered from certain diseases like diabetes), that public health officials screwed this up too. Never should have given these vaccinations to healthy young folks. If they followed what was known, they could have had much better results protecting those that needed protecting instead of some sort of universal precautions.
Man, one day people will start listening to you and everything will start working out! Just a matter of time with you being so knowledgeable and all!
 
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2 equally bright theories:
Carrying an umbrella increases the chance of rain.
I’ve also deduced that because most Americans involved in auto accidents were wearing their seatbelts, deploying your seatbelt boosts your accident risk. Avoid seatbelts like the plague.
absurd analogy " equally bright?" sarcasm and condescension noted

So if you don't test positive how is virus transferred? positive ='s infection?
 
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absurd analogy " equally bright?" sarcasm and condescension noted

So if you don't test positive how is virus transferred? positive ='s infection?
Sounds like you might be withholding some truly valuable scientific findings so yes, please share all the pertinent details that inform your “theory: Being vaccinated spreads Covid and its variants.”
 

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Man, one day people will start listening to you and everything will start working out! Just a matter of time with you being so knowledgeable and all!
Rinse and repeat " Lord Fauci" is Science! lol
 

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Sounds like you might be withholding some truly valuable scientific findings so yes, please share all the pertinent details that inform your “theory: Being vaccinated spreads Covid and its variants.”
So explain how Covid is transferred if you aren't infected? I remember when the W.H.O. declared that Covid couldn't be passed human to human. How did that work out?
 

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So explain how Covid is transferred if you aren't infected? I remember when the W.H.O. declared that Covid couldn't be passed human to human. How did that work out?
Sorry man but nothing you just typed supported your novel theory that being vaccinated spreads Covid and its variants.
Are you suggesting that vaccination infects you with Covid and therefore increases the odds that you transmit it?
If so, can you please share whatever data you’ve gathered to support that premise?
And whatever WHO or anyone else claimed that proved to be untrue is not the same as having actual data that underpins your theory, but hopefully you already know that.
 
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