Need help...Jameis related: EK/ Documentary etc
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I so long for that day. I cannot believe this continues and that she continues to be able to get away with forming the (false) narrative.
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This. Never talk smack to your doctor or your dentist. However, Nohe is a good start, but your patients that bring this up aren't likely the reading type or else they would already know.
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Any parent that I know who had a problem with biracial dating is a racist. Sorry but the hiding these guys is dumb but also she needed to come clean that she joined a group that liked to fool around with athletes. Bet he doesn't like that either.
Still he can look at the facts and see she is lying. The fact that he lets this farce go on says something about him. I find it interesting that Erika was upset once her friend called her parents. My guess is daddy has quite a temper
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Any parent that I know who had a problem with biracial dating is a racist. Sorry but the hiding these guys is dumb but also she needed to come clean that she joined a group that liked to fool around with athletes. Bet he doesn't like that either.
Still he can look at the facts and see she is lying. The fact that he lets this farce go on says something about him. I find it interesting that Erika was upset once her friend called her parents. My guess is daddy has quite a temper
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"Documentary"? More like a Mockumentary...........Originally posted by guynole:
THIS just in - this dog documentary will not hunt
Re: "I'm fairly certain there was something in that drink."
Her story changed from CoC hearing a few months ago to "Jameis drugged me" in a documentary. Which is not only contradicted by her prior stories but also modern science. And everything I've seen says he is still backing her. So, I view him with contempt, not pity.
What the heck are you talking about? I get initially backing your daughter. Heck, I continuing to even after you find out her story changed a couple of times and detective tells you drug screens came back negative. Before everything got big in the media. But once the story broke and ALL the facts came out, any halfway sane person would realize their daughter was lying. And then tell her to let it go.
Her story changed from CoC hearing a few months ago to "Jameis drugged me" in a documentary. Which is not only contradicted by her prior stories but also modern science. And everything I've seen says he is still backing her. So, I view him with contempt, not pity.
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The thing that bothers me so much about the accusations of a cover up by TPD or FSU is that for the first month of the investigation no one really knew who the possible assailant could be; because she (probably intentionally) misled investigators.
So are we to believe that FSU and/or TPD just automatically assumes that any rape that occurs on/near campus might have been committed by an FSU football player, so they drag their feet just in case? And all the hospitals are in on it too?
As for the father... the daughter clearly hid the fact she liked the BBC from her father for some reason, and occam's razor would tell us that at a minimum the dad doesn't 'prefer' her dating black guys, which may not make him full on 'David Duke' racist, but it definitely doesn't make him some completely innocent father just trying to support and protect his daughter.
I have a daughter, there's probably not much she could do to make me stop supporting or loving her; so I won't fault him for that. But I can still fault him for acting in such a way throughout the daughter's life that it made her feel the need to hide the race of her boyfriend from him.
The thing that bothers me so much about the accusations of a cover up by TPD or FSU is that for the first month of the investigation no one really knew who the possible assailant could be; because she (probably intentionally) misled investigators.
So are we to believe that FSU and/or TPD just automatically assumes that any rape that occurs on/near campus might have been committed by an FSU football player, so they drag their feet just in case? And all the hospitals are in on it too?
As for the father... the daughter clearly hid the fact she liked the BBC from her father for some reason, and occam's razor would tell us that at a minimum the dad doesn't 'prefer' her dating black guys, which may not make him full on 'David Duke' racist, but it definitely doesn't make him some completely innocent father just trying to support and protect his daughter.
I have a daughter, there's probably not much she could do to make me stop supporting or loving her; so I won't fault him for that. But I can still fault him for acting in such a way throughout the daughter's life that it made her feel the need to hide the race of her boyfriend from him.
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I'm so glad this is in the Locker Room now, because you guys are potatoes. Attack Erica, attack the Aunt, fine. But the character assassination of the father has as much data behind it as the attacks on Jameis.
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I'm so glad this is in the Locker Room now, because you guys are potatoes. Attack Erica, attack the Aunt, fine. But the character assassination of the father has as much data behind it as the attacks on Jameis.
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I'm so glad this is in the Locker Room now, because you guys are potatoes. Attack Erica, attack the Aunt, fine. But the character assassination of the father has as much data behind it as the attacks on Jameis.
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I'm so glad this is in the Locker Room now, because you guys are potatoes. Attack Erica, attack the Aunt, fine. But the character assassination of the father has as much data behind it as the attacks on Jameis.
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And we all know the South's reputation for covering up the rapes of little white girls by black boys, I mean, that happens almost all of the NEVER.
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And we all know the South's reputation for covering up the rapes of little white girls by black boys, I mean, that happens almost all of the NEVER.
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Sorry if I have these details wrong but didn't she partially identify a player? Something like 'a freshman football player named Chris'? Did TPD follow up on that? She identified the bar, right? Did TPD take a look at the surveillance tape? Seems to me like TPD passed up on a couple of no-brainers very early in the case.
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Here are two excerpts from the SAO:
When asked to describe the suspect, XX described him as being approximately 5 '9" - 5' 11" with
big muscles. His hair was a "poofy" short afro which needed to be cut. (I don't need to tell you that Jameis has never looked even remotely like this)
XX did not think she could identify anyone from a photo line-up. XX said she could possibly
identify the black male she was talking to when she and Monique went to the bathroom at Pot
Belly's; however, she was unsure if this male was involved. She said "his name was Chris and he
was a starter on the football team." When she was talking to "Chris" several girls came up to
them and asked if she knew who he was and they told her he was the only freshman starter on the
football team. She said "Chris" had big gaps in his teeth. XX did not think that "Chris" was in
the cab with her. She remembered "Chris" talking to her about looking for his roommate but she
never saw him after the first conversation near the bathroom. XX believed each of the three
males in the cab were FSU students because she recalled each of them trying to retrieve their
FSU ID when the cab driver asked for it. She attempted to get her ID out but the males told her
they had it covered.
I believe the only Chris on the team at the time was Chris Casher, and he wasn't a starter at the time, he was redshirting due to a knee injury; and he didn't match the description of the assailant in anyway either.
Actually, as I recall (I've read the SAO report several times), she described someone, but none of the players on the team at the time fit that description.
Here are two excerpts from the SAO:
When asked to describe the suspect, XX described him as being approximately 5 '9" - 5' 11" with
big muscles. His hair was a "poofy" short afro which needed to be cut. (I don't need to tell you that Jameis has never looked even remotely like this)
XX did not think she could identify anyone from a photo line-up. XX said she could possibly
identify the black male she was talking to when she and Monique went to the bathroom at Pot
Belly's; however, she was unsure if this male was involved. She said "his name was Chris and he
was a starter on the football team." When she was talking to "Chris" several girls came up to
them and asked if she knew who he was and they told her he was the only freshman starter on the
football team. She said "Chris" had big gaps in his teeth. XX did not think that "Chris" was in
the cab with her. She remembered "Chris" talking to her about looking for his roommate but she
never saw him after the first conversation near the bathroom. XX believed each of the three
males in the cab were FSU students because she recalled each of them trying to retrieve their
FSU ID when the cab driver asked for it. She attempted to get her ID out but the males told her
they had it covered.
I believe the only Chris on the team at the time was Chris Casher, and he wasn't a starter at the time, he was redshirting due to a knee injury; and he didn't match the description of the assailant in anyway either.
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Potatoes? That's a real gem.
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I am not up with the slang kids use these days. Should I be offended, or flattered?
Did he just call us potatoes?
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I'm so glad this is in the Locker Room now, because you guys are potatoes. Attack Erica, attack the Aunt, fine. But the character assassination of the father has as much data behind it as the attacks on Jameis.
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I am not up with the slang kids use these days. Should I be offended, or flattered?
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Why do you think she hid the race of her boyfriend from her father? The boyfriend, I believe, she had been dating since HS.
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Her story changed from CoC hearing a few months ago to "Jameis drugged me" in a documentary. Which is not only contradicted by her prior stories but also modern science. And everything I've seen says he is still backing her. So, I view him with contempt, not pity.
What the heck are you talking about? I get initially backing your daughter. Heck, I continuing to even after you find out her story changed a couple of times and detective tells you drug screens came back negative. Before everything got big in the media. But once the story broke and ALL the facts came out, any halfway sane person would realize their daughter was lying. And then tell her to let it go.
Her story changed from CoC hearing a few months ago to "Jameis drugged me" in a documentary. Which is not only contradicted by her prior stories but also modern science. And everything I've seen says he is still backing her. So, I view him with contempt, not pity.
Can we stop with the "ek" and just put Erica Kinsman...she's had no problem putting her name and face out there to slander the school & Winston I Dono why ppl tiptoe around her name.
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Re: "I'm fairly certain there was something in that drink."
She said there was a freshman football player named Chris involved in the evening (and there was a freshman football player named Chris involved in the evening). If you're investigating an alleged crime, you don't follow that lead? You don't take a look at the security tapes?
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Ask Travis Johnson. This theme about how Tallahassee, its government and police force do everything to cover up for FSU football because a few of the cops make an extra 200 bucks on the weekends doing security is laughable. And none of them ever interviewed Travis Johnson, who had to go to a jury trial on a rape allegation--where the alleged rape occurred the two days after his shoulder surgery and the woman was, I believe, 6' tall. He had doctors saying it was physically impossible for Travis to do what was alleged...still went to trial....jury to 15 minutes to acquit.
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What likely happened (and the word around LEO in Leon county) is this isn't the first time something has happened at this particular bar and they've viewed the grainy, hard to identify, too dark video footage before and it turned up nothing so they saw no particular reason to go chasing that thread. What they weren't aware of is this bar recently changed their camera to a new digital camera.
The fact is, the TPD violent crimes division went through their routine of a rape accusation and investiagion, interviewed witnesses that were immediately involved, got the information from the hospital, were waiting for the tox reports from the Tampa FDLE and during that time the accuser and her attorney cut off communication and didn't want to proceed. Another fact, if there was any chance of a rape or violent crime occurring, the TPD would have continued to investigate the case (they don't need the accuser to do this).
A few things (facts) as someone who worked in a laboratory that did a ton of digital media forensic work. LEO weigh the importance of information vs cost all the time. The TPD interviewed friends of the accuser, had the medical examination information from the nurse and the on call doctor, interview with the accuser and they had their own experience and expertise to go on (100s if not 1000s of investigations similar to this one). They determined that things just didn't add up enough to track down a surveillance video. It happens all the time during investigations, you weigh pertinent data and follow those leads. Should they have went to the bar and viewed the tape, yes, but the word of the accuser's friend is also a strong piece of evidence combined with the physical examination.
What likely happened (and the word around LEO in Leon county) is this isn't the first time something has happened at this particular bar and they've viewed the grainy, hard to identify, too dark video footage before and it turned up nothing so they saw no particular reason to go chasing that thread. What they weren't aware of is this bar recently changed their camera to a new digital camera.
The fact is, the TPD violent crimes division went through their routine of a rape accusation and investiagion, interviewed witnesses that were immediately involved, got the information from the hospital, were waiting for the tox reports from the Tampa FDLE and during that time the accuser and her attorney cut off communication and didn't want to proceed. Another fact, if there was any chance of a rape or violent crime occurring, the TPD would have continued to investigate the case (they don't need the accuser to do this).
Re: "I'm fairly certain there was something in that drink."
identify the black male she was talking to when she and Monique went to the bathroom at Pot
Belly's; however, she was unsure if this male was involved. She said "his name was Chris and he
was a starter on the football team." When she was talking to "Chris" several girls came up to
them and asked if she knew who he was and they told her he was the only freshman starter on the
football team. She said "Chris" had big gaps in his teeth. XX did not think that "Chris" was in
the cab with her. She remembered "Chris" talking to her about looking for his roommate but she
never saw him after the first conversation near the bathroom. XX believed each of the three
males in the cab were FSU students because she recalled each of them trying to retrieve their
FSU ID when the cab driver asked for it. She attempted to get her ID out but the males told her
they had it covered.
So why would TPD want to talk to someone the victim says she says she never saw again, well before the alleged rape happened?
If anything, the fact she met an FSU football player that night is tangential to the investigation at this point, according to her recollection.
XX did not think she could identify anyone from a photo line-up. XX said she could possibly
identify the black male she was talking to when she and Monique went to the bathroom at Pot
Belly's; however, she was unsure if this male was involved. She said "his name was Chris and he
was a starter on the football team." When she was talking to "Chris" several girls came up to
them and asked if she knew who he was and they told her he was the only freshman starter on the
football team. She said "Chris" had big gaps in his teeth. XX did not think that "Chris" was in
the cab with her. She remembered "Chris" talking to her about looking for his roommate but she
never saw him after the first conversation near the bathroom. XX believed each of the three
males in the cab were FSU students because she recalled each of them trying to retrieve their
FSU ID when the cab driver asked for it. She attempted to get her ID out but the males told her
they had it covered.
So why would TPD want to talk to someone the victim says she says she never saw again, well before the alleged rape happened?
If anything, the fact she met an FSU football player that night is tangential to the investigation at this point, according to her recollection.
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Another thing about the Pot Belly's video is, what would it have shown or proven?
Even if every inch of the building and exterior was monitored with HD cameras, what happened at the bar isn't really being disputed.
She admits to drinking, and doesn't claim that Jameis tried to give her a spiked drink:
Officer Fallis then interviewed XX to determine what occurred. XX advised Officer Fallis she
was at Pot Belly's drinking with a male friend who was later identified as J\.1arcus Jordan. XX
and Jordan were sharing the same cup. XX told Officer Fallis as she was walking through the
club she was offered a shot by a white male who was also a friend of Marcus.
She admits that she 'possibly' got into a cab to be driven where the alleged incident occurred.
XX stated she possibly got in a cab and was driven to the
unknown incident location.
No one on either side of the case is disputing any of these facts, so what would the video prove?
Video evidence wouldn't prove that Jameis spiked her drink or handed her a drink. If it showed Jameis, Ronald and/or Chris forcing her out of the club and/or into the cab, that would be contrary to everyone's testimony, hers, all her friends, Jameis, Ron and CC's. (Nevermind the absurd notion that three black males could force a white woman into a cab in that situation, being so crowded with people, and no one saying or seeing anything?)
Even at the CoC hearing, she claimed that she got into the cab, but did so because of some fear for her life that wasn't the result of any of the actions of the three involved.
Another thing about the Pot Belly's video is, what would it have shown or proven?
Even if every inch of the building and exterior was monitored with HD cameras, what happened at the bar isn't really being disputed.
She admits to drinking, and doesn't claim that Jameis tried to give her a spiked drink:
Officer Fallis then interviewed XX to determine what occurred. XX advised Officer Fallis she
was at Pot Belly's drinking with a male friend who was later identified as J\.1arcus Jordan. XX
and Jordan were sharing the same cup. XX told Officer Fallis as she was walking through the
club she was offered a shot by a white male who was also a friend of Marcus.
She admits that she 'possibly' got into a cab to be driven where the alleged incident occurred.
XX stated she possibly got in a cab and was driven to the
unknown incident location.
No one on either side of the case is disputing any of these facts, so what would the video prove?
Video evidence wouldn't prove that Jameis spiked her drink or handed her a drink. If it showed Jameis, Ronald and/or Chris forcing her out of the club and/or into the cab, that would be contrary to everyone's testimony, hers, all her friends, Jameis, Ron and CC's. (Nevermind the absurd notion that three black males could force a white woman into a cab in that situation, being so crowded with people, and no one saying or seeing anything?)
Even at the CoC hearing, she claimed that she got into the cab, but did so because of some fear for her life that wasn't the result of any of the actions of the three involved.
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Do you see how someone could look at that and wonder why they didn't interview the FSU football player?
They talked about her interaction with Chris...who he was.....what he looked like....whether or not he was in the cab....but they don't talk to Chris?
Do you see how someone could look at that and wonder why they didn't interview the FSU football player?
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Based on the statement above, what could Chris possibly have to do with the rest of the night?
Honestly, it almost comes across as a humblebrag. "Oh yeah, this football player was hitting on me, and all these other girls were coming up to me asking me if I knew he was, but I didn't, blah blah blah... so anyways, later that night I was raped by a 5'9-11" black guy.."
My ability to understand someone else's lack of intelligence or analytic skills doesn't make their thought process valid.
Based on the statement above, what could Chris possibly have to do with the rest of the night?
Honestly, it almost comes across as a humblebrag. "Oh yeah, this football player was hitting on me, and all these other girls were coming up to me asking me if I knew he was, but I didn't, blah blah blah... so anyways, later that night I was raped by a 5'9-11" black guy.."
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In retrospect, sure. Especially if you want to believe Jameis is guilty and the beneficiary of a huge coverup.
In retrospect, sure. Especially if you want to believe Jameis is guilty and the beneficiary of a huge coverup.
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I think they had let it go. From around March 2013 to October 2013, nothing happened with this case. If the case had not been leaked to the media, it would still be a dead case. During that time, Jameis went from a redshirt freshman who very few knew about, to a heisman leading candidate for the number 1 team in the country. I think it would be very telling to know who leaked the story to the media.
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Did you consider that this actually hurt Winston and helped the false accuser's story more? Had they went to Casher immediately and also got Darby and found the cab driver? They would have potentially had additional witnesses to support Winston's version and potentially the video from Casher's phone.
In either case, they still got Casher and Darby's statement and you can take it with a grain of salt if you wish because it came too far after the incident occurred.
So go with the medical exam and the toxicology reports. All of which hold more weight than had they had video from Pot Belly's or got Casher and Darby's testimony immediately. And then add her own friends' testimony and Winston's side of the story is more believable than hers.
Yes and the assumption is that this must mean it was a cover up to protect a player who by the way wasn't even a star or starter at the time.
Did you consider that this actually hurt Winston and helped the false accuser's story more? Had they went to Casher immediately and also got Darby and found the cab driver? They would have potentially had additional witnesses to support Winston's version and potentially the video from Casher's phone.
In either case, they still got Casher and Darby's statement and you can take it with a grain of salt if you wish because it came too far after the incident occurred.
So go with the medical exam and the toxicology reports. All of which hold more weight than had they had video from Pot Belly's or got Casher and Darby's testimony immediately. And then add her own friends' testimony and Winston's side of the story is more believable than hers.
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Coverup started day one? When Winston was still an unknown quantity on the field? When most experts still had Coker lined up for the job?
Or the coverup kicked into full gear in the fall of 2013 when a national title was on the line?
Coverup started day one? When Winston was still an unknown quantity on the field? When most experts still had Coker lined up for the job?
Or the coverup kicked into full gear in the fall of 2013 when a national title was on the line?
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Also, the assumption is always that missteps (actual or perceived) by the TPD would have only helped her claims, when the reality is, who knows who it could have helped?
That's my point about the Pot Belly's video, try thinking a little deeper than just "ooohhh the cops didn't ask for the videos," why not think 'what would the videos have shown?'
Detectives are professional puzzle solvers, so if no one is disputing certain pieces of the puzzle, why even bother to verify them?
Let's also take into account that many of the TPD's (actual or perceived) missteps were a result of her misleading or obstructing them. She's the one who deleted her texts and described the assailant almost completely opposite of what he actually was, and she's the one that refused to identify her boyfriend later on.
Also, the assumption is always that missteps (actual or perceived) by the TPD would have only helped her claims, when the reality is, who knows who it could have helped?
That's my point about the Pot Belly's video, try thinking a little deeper than just "ooohhh the cops didn't ask for the videos," why not think 'what would the videos have shown?'
Detectives are professional puzzle solvers, so if no one is disputing certain pieces of the puzzle, why even bother to verify them?
Let's also take into account that many of the TPD's (actual or perceived) missteps were a result of her misleading or obstructing them. She's the one who deleted her texts and described the assailant almost completely opposite of what he actually was, and she's the one that refused to identify her boyfriend later on.
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