You don't even realize how out of touch your statement is, do you?
Some man calls ME "sugart!ts" I'd set him straight. No man needed to protect little old me. They're not on HIS chest, are they?
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Some man calls ME "sugart!ts" I'd set him straight. No man needed to protect little old me. They're not on HIS chest, are they?
Nor did I.
This does seem kind of crazy.
Identity politics at it's finest. It doesn't matter whether something is right or wrong, but that the identity (in this case race) makes it right or wrong. And yes I understand in many people's opinions it matters, but in my opinion it shouldn't. Right is right regardless of your race, gender or other identifying factor and wrong is wrong regardless of that also. And for words context matters as well as the audience, time, place and relationship of the people using the term towards each other.
Seriously. Sugar breasts, please.
In all seriousness, though. Sugar is a leading cause of obesity in America and I don't see the humor in making cutesy nicknames out of it.
It’s 2018, she could just hold up her Ancestry.com readout.
Which begs the question, how black does she have to be for it to be ok?
Because if I’m following this correctly whether or not it is socially permissible is if she can stake a claim over which she has no control, or even input.
Quadroon? Octaroon? Hexadecaroon?
Fair enough but my point is unchanged.
I'm free to call someone that name and they or their husband/friends/whoever are likely to pushback, either verbally or physically.
No one says I can't say it - but my own good common sense should tell me that (in addition to the fact that I'd never even want to say it b/c it's old and creepy [and demeaning and objectifying]).
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Seriously, if you want to say it, just say it.
Why create so many posts asking why some "can" and others "can't" or asking "who can"?
Reminds me of the mindset of a petulant child who claims to have no desire to do some particular thing until s/he is told they shouldn't, at which point they want nothing more than to do that very thing. We are now a nation in which our children are not petulant but our adults are.
What is this perverse desire to litigate the freedom to use that word. There are so many larger issues in the world to discuss, yet in the last 7 days I've seen threads on both the TC and LR devolve into "why can only some people use that word but not others". Who knew so many FSU fans really wanted to be able to say it? I guess I knew.
What was expected was that she skip that word.
Even in the privacy of my own home I skip that word. It's not hard at all. Frankly saying that word would require some mental gymnastics.
If your mind doesn't have an automatic 'off' switch for that word, there's something suspect about you.
Wish it was reality, but too many people are white knighting and getting triggered by words used by some groups but not others. Double standards are confusing to some.
Not sure what your first sentence even means.
But the second... this isn't confusing to anyone unless they're a martian or intentionally playing dumb.
Again, if you want to say it, say it. You're free to do so. Others are free to react however they see fit.
She just didnt want to get booed by misquoting and culturally appropriating his lyrics.
Is this what she said or are you just creating your own random argument, if it's the latter then let's just stop here.
Not going down this never ending rabbit hole with a guy who seemingly just wants to say offensive words and will engage in whatever mental gymnastics are necessary to make it seem like it's out of pure innocence.
Lol. Just having fun. I find this just as absurd as you do.
Here's another one that made me pause when I first saw it. Cracker, especially used as Florida Cracker. I still don't think I fully understand what it means but Cigar City named a beer Florida Cracker so I assume it is not negative in any way.
The Museum of Florida History here in Tally has a display that explains it. Crackers were cattle ranchers that settled SW Florida back in the day.
Correct. It was used to describe the sound the bullwhip made by the FL cattlemen settlers.
Correct. It was used to describe the sound the bullwhip made by the FL cattlemen settlers.
That makes sense. I always thought they were talking about
which I never understood the connection either lol.
How can it be a slur to identify someone as being from the Orient? Is the Orient offensive?
Honestly until this thread I had no idea it was considered a slur and I am Asian and have never even heard it used in context that would be meant to be taken as a slur or offensive. I mean I suppose context matters and this just doesn't seem to be a word where context doesn't matter to me. If someone was saying something in a bullying or aggressive manner using that word, then sure I guess they are meaning for it to be a slur although they would generally go with much more offensive terms more commonly used. Many Asian businesses use it in their name and I think use it as a descriptor for pride and to express exoticism.
Woops, my bad. I should not have whipped out my Andrew Dice Clay impersonation on here.
Because it’s the only interesting part of this topic.
The intellectual dichotomy between on the one hand advancing the notion that we should be judged on our actions, and not the things we can’t control, but then on the other hand judging an action differently simply because of a factor that individual can’t control. That stuff always piques my curiosity.
Status/super status and group identity stuff are interesting to me. The human animal is really fascinating and the Star bellied Sneetch story is Dr Seuss far and away best.
When my daughter was little we didn't know what the proper term was to describe people when she was around. Did we say black, white, Caucasian, Asian...so we decided anytime we were going to going to the ---- person, we would just insert Canadian. Worked like a charm! Nobody around us never got offended, and she grew up describing people the PC way.
You're overcomplicating the issue.
The word carries with it centuries of baggage, pain, anguish, oppression, slavery, rape, and murder by one group of people onto another. Yet you look at it in a vacuum devoid of historical context and human emotion under the guise of some so-called "intellectual dichotomy".
I dunno, this strikes me as disingenuous and/or simply argumentative.
Say it if you want, don't if you don't. Can't teach folks common sense or empathy I guess.
Either way, I'm out.
Yes, in our personal conversations. That way, no one outside who over heard was offended and my child didn't call people the politically incorrect title. It worked for us, especially with my elderly parents who couldn't remember people and I had to describe others to them often.
You do know that "Canadian" is restarunt lingo for black people right?
Common sense tells me that if we can’t stop treating people differently based on race then we can’t expect people to stop treating people differently based on race.
No I didn't. In Israel they use "Palestinian" for everyone and I thought that was a bit much. So I settled on Canadian. Guess I was offensive and didn't even know it. LOL
You used to be married to a Cane fan. I'm sure your senses have been dulled as far as being offensive goes.
Huge difference IMO between not realizing something is or has become offensive vs knowingly using words or labels you probably shouldn't.
Using example above, wishing anyone a genuine Merry Christmas isn't offensive and shouldn't be a problem. Getting in everyone's face to say Merry Christmas!! and writing Merry CHRISTmas on everything because of a perceived War On Christmas seems unnecessarily antagonistic to me.
I think too many people are falling into the is vs them trap and we've lost the ability to just connect with people despite our differences.
"Oriental is literally a slur"? It's only a slur because some folks decided they considered it a slur, not because it is used as a slur by those saying it. If someone is from the orient it doesn't literally make someone else a racist, or racially biased, because they call them oriental people. It's a preference on a case by case basis by some people from Asia. I guess what I'm saying is........I'll call people by what they express as their preference (which I will respect and I do usually use the term "Asian") but I'm not going to be guilt shamed by calling a person from Asia an oriental unless they express their personal preference.
