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Thailand Cave Rescue

Teleportation technology would really come in handy with this.

Rather than investing billions in Uber, Lyft, subways, airports, highways, Tesla, trains, car parking lots, etc... we should just put a few hundred billion into making teleportation a thing. I mean... it's gotta work, right?

Can just turn all the roads and airports into green parks then.
 
Made so much sense I heard a former Seal interviewed this AM and he said he thought medicating the kids was the way to go and he would not want to be in the shoes of those kids or rescuers. He actually said he was glad he wasn't in that situation. If any of the evacuees panics that could be it. Being in a tight cave under water is one of the ways I would not want to go.....Those rescuers are incredible to be able to do what they do.

I've done quite a bit of diving, including a number of wrecks, swim-through caverns, and short distance caves, and I'm not at all comfortable in an enclosed atmosphere. I can't imagine it being possible to teach those kids enough to where they won't freak out in zero visibility/tight quarters. I'd be very concerned about the risk of losing my own life if I were one of the rescue divers in this.
 
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I've done quite a bit of diving, including a number of wrecks, swim-through caverns, and short distance caves, and I'm not at all comfortable in an enclosed atmosphere. I can't imagine it being possible to teach those kids enough to where they won't freak out in zero visibility/tight quarters. I'd be very concerned about the risk of losing my own life if I were one of the rescue divers in this.

Yep. One of those maps marked a spot unpassable with a tank on too. Doubt anyone but most elite of elite divers could make it back there. I am not sure how if feasible but only way I see it possible putting them to sleep, strapping on board and getting them out. With some sort of transfer set up for where tank is too small. Maybe a real small liter sized tank that can be switched in.
 
I've done quite a bit of diving, including a number of wrecks, swim-through caverns, and short distance caves, and I'm not at all comfortable in an enclosed atmosphere. I can't imagine it being possible to teach those kids enough to where they won't freak out in zero visibility/tight quarters. I'd be very concerned about the risk of losing my own life if I were one of the rescue divers in this.
I think they will have personel stationed in close increments along the way, along with someone behind and in front of each kid. Harrowing experience for sure, but I want to believe these kids understand their predicament.
Supposedly they have pumped enough water out to make it a little easier and also have 7 rescue specialists in the cave with them at all times, but more downpours are forecasted by sat. So d-day is fri or wait until oct.
 
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Thoughts on the kids' mental state with food, sensory, light, etc deprivation and their ability for all to come out safely?
 
I've done quite a bit of diving, including a number of wrecks, swim-through caverns, and short distance caves, and I'm not at all comfortable in an enclosed atmosphere. I can't imagine it being possible to teach those kids enough to where they won't freak out in zero visibility/tight quarters. I'd be very concerned about the risk of losing my own life if I were one of the rescue divers in this.

That's exactly what the Seal said that was interviewed. You could tell that as badass as he was, the tight cave thing underwater was not at the top of his bucket list....
 
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Thoughts on the kids' mental state with food, sensory, light, etc deprivation and their ability for all to come out safely?
With food and water and blankets and constant reassurance that they are going to be okay, then I would feel really good about their chances. The information needs to flow regularly and consistently and transparently to them.
 
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A former Navy SEAL died from lack of oxygen while helping place oxygen canisters..

Saw this and absolutely hated it. This should pretty much kibosh any notion of teaching the kids to scuba so they can swim out. That doesn’t seem realistic. They have to get the freaking water out of there. I am not sure why bigger (and more) pumps cannot be deployed, but the ones they are currently using are not going to suffice. What a complete nightmare for everyone involved.
 
A former Navy SEAL died from lack of oxygen while helping place oxygen canisters..
Horrible news.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/thai-authorities-navy-seal-working-rescue-boys-trapped-023522036.html

"We can no longer wait for all conditions (to be ready) because circumstances are pressuring us," Thai SEAL commander Arpakorn Yookongkaew told a news conference. "We originally thought the boys can stay safe inside the cave for quite some time but circumstances have changed. We have limited amount of time."

That sounds really bad.
 
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Horrible news.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/thai-authorities-navy-seal-working-rescue-boys-trapped-023522036.html

"We can no longer wait for all conditions (to be ready) because circumstances are pressuring us," Thai SEAL commander Arpakorn Yookongkaew told a news conference. "We originally thought the boys can stay safe inside the cave for quite some time but circumstances have changed. We have limited amount of time."

That sounds really bad.
Their oxygen supply is extremely limited (I saw 15%). It's now a race against time. It doesn't look good.
 
Something has to be tried soon as oxygen levels in the cave have decreased to dangerous levels.
 
Elon Musk Is Sending A Team of Engineers To Help Rescue Trapped Thai Boys

The Wild Boars are trapped. The 12 boys on the soccer team, along with their coach, have been trapped inside a flooded cave since June 23, 4 km (2.5 miles) into the Tham Luang cave complex in northern Thailand. The good news? They’re safe. The bad news? There’s no obvious way for them to escape, except to wait out the monsoon season, which can take months. That is, if the water doesn’t rise too high in the meantime.

You’d think they could just teach the boys to dive so they could get out, right? Well, it’s not so simple. Diving that distance takes many hours each way, and is incredibly dangerous. Some passages are as narrow as 70 cm (27.5 inches), and flooded sections are as deep as 30 meters (98 feet). It’s so dangerous, in fact, that an ex Navy SEAL diver died from a lack of oxygen on the way to help the boys early Friday morning.

Then, Elon Musk — tunnel digger and space explorer extraordinaire — entered the fray. In a series of tweets, Elon Musk revealed his plans to send a team of SpaceX and Boring Company engineers to swoop in for the rescue.

Just what Elon’s team would do there was not immediately apparent. He first wrote: “Boring Co has advanced ground penetrating radar & is pretty good at digging holes.” Maybe he planned for his team to dig the boys out? But drilling down through 800 meters (0.5 miles) of rock could take time and easily expose the boys to further dangers, like the possibility of cave-ins and falling rocks.

Another solution would be to pump out all of the water flooding the cave. That’s the one the Thai government is going with right now. But the issue there is that it takes an immense amount of energy and time — right now, the Thai government is pumping at a rate of 180,000 liters an hour. Best case scenario, it’ll take them four months to reach the boys. And a heavy downpour, as is common in monsoon season, could set them back dramatically.

After batting around a few ideas on Twitter, Elon comes to another solution: let them slide right out. Materials needed: a gigantic inflatable nylon tube, 1 meter (39 inches) in diameter, and over 2 km long. Inflating the tube “like a bouncy castle” would effectively create a tunnel; the water would be pushed to the sides, creating an opening for the boys to escape.

Any rescue would not be simple, Elon admits. But this solution sounds particularly zany— and clever, especially since it could make the cave’s narrow openings navigable.

But we — and, surely, others with much more intimate knowledge of physics — have questions about how it would actually work. For example: how could the engineers make sure the tube is intact for the entire length of the cave? If the material is too fragile it may rip, trapping the boys inside it.

And then there is the difference in air pressure at either end of the tube — the same reason divers get “the bends” on the way back to the surface. The kids would have to be outfitted with breathing apparatus, which would make the passage even more anxiety inducing.

 
A few people are suggesting using ketamine or some kind of other sedative to get the kids out. There are no good options here, but I would use that as a last resort. You need close monitoring for sedatives that's impossible on a 3 mile route in a cave underwater. I predict disaster if this kind of strategy is used.

I still don't understand why they can't get water out of the cave. All the mortality involved in this rescue is because of water. Fix the water and you solve the problem.

A friend of mine works in the oil industry and deals with fracking stuff; he tells me they have pumps that can easily remove 500k gallons of water within 2 to 3 hours. Obviously if there's a monsoon going on outside that approach would be fruitless but I've heard that the water level has barely budged even though there has been no rain in that area in the last 4 to 5 days.

As the situation gets more desperate, IMO it's time to pull out the stops and start planning multiple rescue options including both digging from above at different points and a water-based rescue.
 
Oh my lord.

How are those kids ever going to make it out?!?!


*Careful with the language please.
 
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Oh my lord.

How are those kids ever going to make it out?!?!
Yeah man. I will be absolutely shocked and elated if they all make it out alive. I wonder if they crawled through that on the way in. Must have, right? So they know what they have to go through to get out, but this time in pitch black water.
 
Yeah man. I will be absolutely shocked and elated if they all make it out alive. I wonder if they crawled through that on the way in. Must have, right? So they know what they have to go through to get out, but this time in pitch black water.
I just can’t believe they actually crawled through that to get where they are.
 
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Elon Musk making “kid-sized submarine” to rescue teens in Thailand cave "Construction complete in about 8 hours," the tech billionaire tweeted Saturday.
The kind of tiny submarine Musk is describing could allow professional divers to bring the boys out without requiring the boys to do anything more than lay still.
 
A few people are suggesting using ketamine or some kind of other sedative to get the kids out. There are no good options here, but I would use that as a last resort. You need close monitoring for sedatives that's impossible on a 3 mile route in a cave underwater. I predict disaster if this kind of strategy is used.

I still don't understand why they can't get water out of the cave. All the mortality involved in this rescue is because of water. Fix the water and you solve the problem.

A friend of mine works in the oil industry and deals with fracking stuff; he tells me they have pumps that can easily remove 500k gallons of water within 2 to 3 hours. Obviously if there's a monsoon going on outside that approach would be fruitless but I've heard that the water level has barely budged even though there has been no rain in that area in the last 4 to 5 days.

As the situation gets more desperate, IMO it's time to pull out the stops and start planning multiple rescue options including both digging from above at different points and a water-based rescue.

If it is a Swiss cheese limestone aquifer connected to the surface similar to here in Florida, moving 500k gallons of water in 3-4 hours is nothing. Take Wakulla Springs for example on how much water these systems have. It’s flow rate of the cave mouth spring is 200–300 million US gallons a day. Its peak is over a billion US gallons a day after big sustained rain events!
 
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We should know in the next few hours about the first kid. Didnt realize that what they are calling the "choke point" was as vertical as it is.

 
Yeah nothing had been confirmed, but did see bbc had a tweet out also of the 2 making it. Just saw that 3 of them are out, still unconfirmed.
 
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