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The Bucs have an interesting decision to make: Go with Fitz to pursue waning playoff hopes, or use the reminder of the season to gauge Winston's future as franchise QB?
I think you're probably right. The Bucs don't have enough talent to be in win-now mode, so they're better off using the remainder of the season to prep for 2019. Koetter has effectively tied his future to Winston's, so he has a vested interest in seeing his QB succeed.
Yeah. I still think most if not all of Jameis' issues are in his head. He does not handle having a poor team around him and tries to play superman instead of just doing the best he can. The pressure he puts on himself then bleeds over to his teammates. I read a comment from yesterday saying when Fitz came in, he was more relaxed and even joked in the huddle. That too bled over to his teammates.
I still think Jameis can be the QB we all think he can. I also think it will only happen with a different coaching staff.
Wingo and Golic were discussing Jameis and what he was as a QB and mentioned in 49 games has thrown 54 interceptions and fumbled 36 times ( not all turnovers) and concluded the Bucs should bench or trade him. They can cut him with no financial obligations as his 5th year option is only guaranteed for injury.
That would be a bold move, wonder if a new coach can change him or is he just a turnover machine.
That would be a bold move, wonder if a new coach can change him or is he just a turnover machine.
That strategy would certainly aid me in not having to scramble so much in Fantasy.
I don't think Koetter can realistically start Jameis anymore, he is fighting for his job and has to play whoever gives him a chance to win which right now is Fitz. Turnovers are key in the NFL and Winston is just too careless with the ball. There was a different energy from the team when Fitz came in.
I think Koetter and Licht will be gone next year and its probably best for JW to get a fresh start with some other team.
I think Koetter and Licht will be gone next year and its probably best for JW to get a fresh start with some other team.
If you are turning to Fitz to save your job, it’s time to schedule the moving truck and polish up the resume.
Why is everyone saying that jameis has poor talent around him?
I think the offense is loaded with good talent. The only reason they lost yesterday is because jameis made poor throws to guys who were open.
I get the offensive line might not be loaded with pro bowlers, but they aren’t complete trash like other offensive lines that we route for. And his RB is decent as well, maybe not a pro bowler, but good enough average 3-4 yards per carrier.
I think the offense is loaded with good talent. The only reason they lost yesterday is because jameis made poor throws to guys who were open.
I get the offensive line might not be loaded with pro bowlers, but they aren’t complete trash like other offensive lines that we route for. And his RB is decent as well, maybe not a pro bowler, but good enough average 3-4 yards per carrier.
Very true, they have a LOT of talent on the offensive side of the ball. Excellent mix of talent at WR, two great pass-catching tight ends (quite possibly the best WR/TE combo in the NFL). A very solid offensive line. Serviceable at running back. They lead the league in yards per game, by a pretty wide margin. Without a doubt, JW's turnovers are a huge factor in them losing more than they've won.
Their D is awful, and I'm not really sure why. They have a good bit of talent in the DL, along with solid linebackers. Even have some decent talent in the secondary, though not enough (the injuries in the secondary have really hurt).
Well, "Black Monday" has occurred early in Cleveland this year...
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25118191/browns-fire-coach-hue-jackson-two-plus-seasons
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25118191/browns-fire-coach-hue-jackson-two-plus-seasons
Tampa has announced that Fitzpatrick will start on Sunday. Remember, this is the same Ryan Fitzpatrick who is on his seventh team in twelve years, has a TD/INT ratio of 186/141 and a career passer rating of 81.3.
Personally, I think the Bucs are overreacting.
Personally, I think the Bucs are overreacting.
Brady has had multiple 4int games, I’m sure farve and Peyton have too.
Fitz is just gelling with this team big time. Starting him is ‘probaly’ the right thing to do short term, but benching JW is going to mess them up long term for sure.
Like Sarah said...Bucs are gonna Buc. Smh
Fitz is just gelling with this team big time. Starting him is ‘probaly’ the right thing to do short term, but benching JW is going to mess them up long term for sure.
Like Sarah said...Bucs are gonna Buc. Smh
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It creates a great dynamic between the two, we will just flip back and forth and bench to see if the other guy has the hot hand.
Because they have to get to around .500! Eliminate dumb turnovers and penalties, establish a better run game and play consistent decent defense and this would be a good team.
I'm just saying that Koetter's done the right thing so far with what he's been dealt by playing the hot hand. The stats don't lie.
Is the instability at QB the ideal situation? Of course not...But you go to war with the army you have.
I think those numbers are accurate, based on a quick glance at stats by the named players for their first few years. Favre & Peyton's numbers were significantly better in their 3rd/4th years. That's probably the biggest valid criticism of JW - he's still making a lot of awful throws (from the mental end, not the physical end - balls where he just slung it up for grabs, or threw it into very tight coverage; those, to me, are much worse than an overthrow that gets picked off).
Jameis has thrown 10 interceptions over 3.5 games. That's almost three picks per game. Over 48 starts, that translates to 144 interceptions. Not a good trend.
You’re right, it has been an ugly stretch. I agree Fitz should get the start.
But I also think the Bucs are going to have to trade Winston/not sign him, OR they will need to let go of Koetter.
I hope it’s the latter, Winston has the potential to be a Pro bowl QB when his head clear and his confidence up.
Koetter, not so much.
It’s a tough decision for the Bucs management, but something will have to give.
So you wouldn't welcome back Koetter??
I think it is an overreaction. Winston is the ultimate villain that so many want to fail. If he was not so vilified, his last game would be viewed as a bad game and his last three years he would have received so much more praise.
So he had a terrible game. The game before? If it was not Jameis, instead of a bunch of angry bucs fans and media crying about the ints, they would be all crowing that he had 367 yards passing AND was leading rusher. Oh, and bragging how he led his team back with little time for a game winning kick. Which dude missed. Then did it again to win game in overtime The game before that, he had almost 400 yards with 4 TDs and two pics.
They are making him throw 50 times a game. Tampa's running game is once again meh, which is why he was leading rusher in one start. The best comparison for Winston has always been Brett Favre, a true big bodied and never hurt gunslinger who was going to make some bad throws and make some genius throws. He was a legend for Green Bay and won a Super Bowl, along with the all time interception title....
From a yards and TD perspective when coupled with the ints, ludicrous some are calling him a bust. There will be many teams interested.
So he had a terrible game. The game before? If it was not Jameis, instead of a bunch of angry bucs fans and media crying about the ints, they would be all crowing that he had 367 yards passing AND was leading rusher. Oh, and bragging how he led his team back with little time for a game winning kick. Which dude missed. Then did it again to win game in overtime The game before that, he had almost 400 yards with 4 TDs and two pics.
They are making him throw 50 times a game. Tampa's running game is once again meh, which is why he was leading rusher in one start. The best comparison for Winston has always been Brett Favre, a true big bodied and never hurt gunslinger who was going to make some bad throws and make some genius throws. He was a legend for Green Bay and won a Super Bowl, along with the all time interception title....
From a yards and TD perspective when coupled with the ints, ludicrous some are calling him a bust. There will be many teams interested.
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