Vaccine mandates for student athletes
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Media? There are portals where this information is easily attainable. Care to try and answer the question again?
You started with an intelligent point to debate then fell into the same senseless nonsense hole so many people do when trying to have a real discussion about the issue.
First off MRNA's are new. They have only been used in experimental purposes until recently.
As for the research data 12 months is a very short window to try to prove any long term effects. There have been many fully approved medicines which have had their approvals withdrawn many years later. In many cases these medications are removed as they are discovered to increase the chances of death.
This does not imply that these vaccines will fall into the same category however you can not seriously defend the long term safely on a new vaccine based on 12 months worth of data.
Unfortunately you sit here calling out everyone else as uninformed on the subject however you are the one who does not wish to have an intelligent discussion.
And you're using media search engines to find that information. I've never trusted the media and believe very little they say. The media spreads lies way to much. When they give me free health care that covers all illnesses then I'll take covid vaccine.
No. The cases are going up because more people are being infected. This is why more people in the hospital are testing positive. This does not mean more people are in the hospital because of or are being treated for Covid.
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that is a projection by IMHE that worldometer sucks into its data charts. Florida now only reports once per week and that report has not been issued yet.
How do you know that they did not report the figures for yesterday?
Covid deaths are still tiered by age. Unless you are elderly or have multiple conditions then you were still much less likely to died as a result of Covid than being in an auto
The scientific fact is that vaccinated people are less likely to contract the virus, less likely to spread the virus, less likely to get sick from the virus, and less likely to die from the virus. By a significant percentage. Claiming the vaccine is killing thousands of people based off of internet gossip is fear tactics. I have no idea where you get your information from, but when you use phrases like "the media" and "elites" you sound like a conspiracy theorist. You are clearly choosing to believe SOMEBODY, so I'm curious what standards you use to deem your sources the arbiters of truth?
Fair enough. Last week Florida averaged 58 Covid deaths per day. Hopefully this week trends down.
DeSantis won't move on masks as Florida COVID wards swell
FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. (AP) — Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis on Tuesday downplayed a spike in COVID-19 cases that’s shattered state hospitalization records and strongly reiterated his vow not to impose a mask mandate or any business restrictions.
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Finally! We got the whole world to come together to manifest this diabolical scheme!
Required vaccinations for college students and the military have been around for a while. This is not new.
Infection are way up. Hospitalizations are way up. But they have nothing to do with each other? Oy vey!
The virus is still impacting millions of people who CAN"T get vaccinated. My under 12 kids for example. People who have reactions to vaccines in general. The unvaccinated are impacting the healthcare system in numbers as great or greater in some cases since the early days of it due to the Delta variant, which is now proving to be more resistant to the vaccines than previous mutations. The restrictions in place are a result of these actions, not just some arbitrary government control grab. Not sure who would possibly benefit from destroying the entire economy of multiple nations and millions of lives. It's not like there's only one segment of the population or one political party being impacted by this. We're all pissed off that we can't live normal lives.
I agree many are going too far with conspiracy theories however there is plenty of facts and data to work with for one to reasonably decide not to get vaccinated.
To your first point. Yes a vaccinated individual is much less likely to become seriously ill or die from the vaccine. Many are saying 95-99% less likely. The important consideration here is what is the starting point before you consider the benefits of the vaccine. If you're chances of becoming seriously ill or dying from Covid are in the 0.2-0.01% then where does reducing that an additional 95-99% really become a factor.
I have never claimed the vaccine has been killing thousands of people however there are many reports of individuals having some complications from it. If your chances of severe illness or death started at a 0.01-0.2% this is a consideration as to whether there is a benefit to take the vaccine.
Additionally while I am certainly not claiming there will be any long term complications we simply do not know it to be the case so there is a very strong case for one to consider not taking the vaccine if they fall in the demographic the majority of the country does and do not face a high risk of danger from the virus.
hopefully but probably not unfortunately. that was up from ~37 avg the prior week.Fair enough. Last week Florida averaged 58 Covid deaths per day. Hopefully this week trends down.
DeSantis won't move on masks as Florida COVID wards swell
FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. (AP) — Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis on Tuesday downplayed a spike in COVID-19 cases that’s shattered state hospitalization records and strongly reiterated his vow not to impose a mask mandate or any business restrictions.
Actually hospitalizations are not way up. I have many close friends who work in the local hospitals who I have spoken to regarding this. The number of people in the hospitals with confirmed positive covid tests are way up. Whish is to say a higher percentage of the patients there have covid not that there is a large surge in patients or patients needing hospital care due to covid.
There has been an increase in patients visiting the hospitals out of an abundance of caution due to the amount of coverage on the delta variant. The majority of these do not require medical treatment in the hospitals and are quickly released.
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Darwinism, some people can be book smart and life stupid.
My sister is an anti- Vaccine Koolaid drinker. She came back from partying in Sanannah last week, was diagnosed with COvID last Friday, has double pneumonia/hospitalized and on oxygen today
Sis was upset when I told her "don't die, dumbass", and asked her to tell the rest of her conspiracy weirdos to get the vaccine and use her as an example.
95% + of hospitalizations and deaths right now are amongst the un-vaccinated. Don't overthink this, stop going down the rabbit trails of BS promulgated by our enemies to keep COVID aflame in the US by undermining vaccine safety. Get it done and we all move on
My sister is an anti- Vaccine Koolaid drinker. She came back from partying in Sanannah last week, was diagnosed with COvID last Friday, has double pneumonia/hospitalized and on oxygen today
Sis was upset when I told her "don't die, dumbass", and asked her to tell the rest of her conspiracy weirdos to get the vaccine and use her as an example.
95% + of hospitalizations and deaths right now are amongst the un-vaccinated. Don't overthink this, stop going down the rabbit trails of BS promulgated by our enemies to keep COVID aflame in the US by undermining vaccine safety. Get it done and we all move on
No. I’m validating when others make fair points. You, however, are intractable in the face of the millions of shots given.
Vaccine research is centuries old. That is a fact.
mRNA vaccine study started about a decade before Covid. The idea isn’t new and That is a fact.
Hundreds of millions of doses, close to a billion, have been given. That is a fact.
Serious side effects after over a year of study are infinitesimal. That is a fact.
I’m tired of dealing with people who won’t even acknowledge the above. How long do you want? 5 years? 10 years? I bet you’ll be saying the same thing then. Not enough info blah blah blah.
Just for some added data; studies have been all over the place for long haulers, but it does look like it is under 2% from symptomatic at 57 days.
Hospitalization rates are 2 times the baseline rate (18-29 year olds) for 30-49 year olds, 4 times for 50-64 year olds; 6 times for 65-74, 8 times for 75-84 and 12 times for 85 and up.
Death is 4 times base for 30-39, 10 times for 40-49, 35 times for 50-64, 95 times 65-74, 230 times 75-84 and 600 times for 85 and up.
The death rate ratchets up intensely. Under 18 the numbers on hospitalization and deaths are so small as to be irrelevant. Recently a John Hopkins doctor looked at deaths in the 12 and under ages, and found 0 of healthy kids died.
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i just want to be clear here that i'm not anti-vax and i'm very encouraged by some of the recent research including a possible nasal spray type vaccine. I also particularly enjoyed the news of the study of flu vaccines providing protection against COVID that @ChiefWB linked recently.
Where I get stuck between a rock and a hard place is that i have more questions than answers about the mRNA drugs and the alternatives have been vilified.
Vaccines has been causing vaccine injuries since they were invented a couple of hundred years ago. mRNA vaccines will be no different. In every adult age group the risk of hospitalization/death from Covid is much higher than the risk from vaccination. Beyond this, not much is really relevant other than the minutely small risk among the under 40 and healthy crowd from a Covid infection leading to hospitalization/death. Personally, I don't care who gets vaccinated since I am. But, there has been so much propaganda and politics around it, that emotions rule the day.
Mrna research has been in the works for years and there has never been an FDA approved Mrna.
Millions of people have received the shot in a very short period of time. There have been many drugs which received full approval under the normal approval standards which have been found to lead to an increased cause of death and had their approvals withdrawn. 9 months of vaccines being administered does not provide us with any real insight as to the long term safety of the vaccine. Especially given the extremely limited risk the virus poses to the vast majority of people.
The fact still remains it effects very few people, we do not know what the long term effects are, and the vaccinated are not endangered by the unvaccinated. All these are facts.
So are you or are you not supporting the actions of one Edward Snowden? Whom I and many others identify as a traitor to the USA. How about Aldritch Ames or Benedict Arnold or Julian Assange then?
This has nothing to do with Snowden or the acts he committed. We have this information he released and we are discussing what is it shows the government has been doing in terms of spying on it's citizens.
Hey you're the one who brought up his name not me. But I'll bring up another named Chelsea Manning. But I'll guess she'll fall into the It's just different category
You're more likely to be asymptomatic and less likely to die and more likely to just have common symptoms without hospitalization. I had it already and was asymptomatic, so I'll trust my immune system over a man made vaccine. People who get symptoms or are elderly need the vaccine not college athletes. Stop fear mongering people to people. Pro choice.
I wonder how that would work out if the entire team decided on game day to boycott it? I bet you that rule would be out the door quick
Are there any other vaccines than a “man made” vaccine? Oh….if people get symptoms, it may be too late to get the vaccine…they won’t know if they‘re vulnerable until they’re infected…I thought both merited mention.
I agree with everything you say. I'll add if for some reason the government mandates this vaccination I've already planned for this in 2020 by paying off my doctor, that's against the vaccine too, to just write it up as if I took it. I will never ever physically take that vaccine, but will have legal documentation showing it was administered to me.
Your primary care physician will/has ”doctor(ed)” your medical records? You might want to keep his/her name to yourself…you never know who might be lurking.
If this Doctor is willing to counterfeit medical records, make me wonder what other cheats/short cuts they'd be willing to take.
I'm no fool. My name is 1GiantKing on here. I speak freely on all social media platforms. And we've already talked in private about it me and the doctors. I'm just glad my family doesn't have to take any forced risky rushed vaccines in the case of it being mandatory. Lucky I own my business so I don't have to worry about an institution forcing me by giving me a choice of being fired or vaccinated.
You are a very reasonable person, unfortunatley the very reasonable points you make are not being repeated or embraced by our leaders or the media.
I am an unvaccinated health care worker…..No one is anymore burned out now then they have been for the last twenty years. Its business as usual. And I work in one of the busiest ERs in Florida. So there’s that.
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