Yearly article- Tallahassee man missing (Mike Williams)
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I thought those evil SOB's would take this to their graves. I'm glad this is finally solved and Mike's family gets some closure.
http://www.wctv.tv/content/news/Answers-in-17-year-old-disappearance-465456163.html
http://www.wctv.tv/content/news/Answers-in-17-year-old-disappearance-465456163.html
If he's angry enough to try to kill his ex-wife and he's got evidence that she was involved, and he's already likely going to be in prison for life then why not flip on her and provide all the evidence to make certain she goes down for it.
It says he's going away for 20 years, maybe he gets a concurrent 20 year plea for 2nd degree, gave up the location and flipped on the ex-wife.
I find it highly suspicious OP brought this up before a major break in the case. I’d look into OP’s involvement
Curious that Fisher recently slipped out of town under some odd circumstances. Just saying.
Who is the JCSO? Jacskon Co? And why are they involved? Did they ever say where the remains were found?
Yeah that's why I was confused by the other poster saying JSCO. I was wonderimg if his remains were found in that county since he said they were involved. Maybe it was a typo on his part, or they really are part of the investigation. I don't think they've said where his remains were found yet, have they?
He went missing while presumably fishing on Lake Seminole which is in Jackson County. I'm sure they would be involved in the entire investigation until the remain were found somewhere else. No, they have not officially said where but sources say Leon County.
Latest article from Portman of the TDO.
Nothing really new here except for the fact that says what we all speculated— they remain very tight lipped because there is still an investigation ongoing. All this says to me is they are trying to find out if the wife was involved or not. Says closure will come for the family soon... thank God.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.tallahassee.com/amp/971649001
Nothing really new here except for the fact that says what we all speculated— they remain very tight lipped because there is still an investigation ongoing. All this says to me is they are trying to find out if the wife was involved or not. Says closure will come for the family soon... thank God.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.tallahassee.com/amp/971649001
I thought I read somewhere that the remains were found at the LC Fairgrounds. Could always have been a bad source though.
LCSO trains their horses at the fairgrounds. Not saying it is impossible, but is really crazy to think he could have been in a place where law enforcement is on a regular basis. Of course, I'm not sure how long LCSO has had their horses at the fairgrounds.
His remains were in northern Leon County.
http://www.tallahassee.com/story/ne...remains-found-northern-leon-county/972549001/
http://www.tallahassee.com/story/ne...remains-found-northern-leon-county/972549001/
Yes, it was northern Leon County. I wont say where of anything else about the recovery that I was told. It seems its going to come out quickly. I'm still not sure why they are acting so secretive. All the suspects/POI's know they are suspects and they are locked into stories at this point(Which is "we know nothing"). All they do now is present them with the story they were told about Mike and see what they say.
Edited to say: Oh, article posted above confirms Carr Lake. Didn't read it first.
Edited to say: Oh, article posted above confirms Carr Lake. Didn't read it first.
A lot of places between Lake Seminole and Lake Carr to hide a body, so I'm going to guess the entire Lake Seminole thing was a set up to keep them away from looking around local duck hunting lakes that he might have been at. Crazy to think how many times I and so many others, have walked by his remains.
Lots of people dump deer carcasses down there so there is usually a smell of death.
Lots of people dump deer carcasses down there so there is usually a smell of death.
For those who haven't followed the story for the past decade plus, let me give you the brief background:
Mike had planned to go to Lake Seminole after work that day. As recounted by a friend of his in the former TDO forums, he was working as a Salvation Army volunteer at a Publix(i believe) that afternoon and the person telling the story stopped to speak with him and noticed he was sick with a very bad cold/flu. Mike told the friend he was going hunting. The friend suggested that he looked pretty bad and should think about going home and getting some rest instead. Mike reportedly replied that he may do just that.
That's the last anyone can say they talked to him. Keep in mind, this was year 2000 - most people didn't have cell phones, there was no such thing as text messaging and people didn't keep in constant contact with friends and family via phones back then like we do today. So...
The general assumption is, he didn't go to Lake Seminole, went home unannounced instead, and found more than just Denise there. From that point, its anyone's speculation.
Law enforcement since determined the Lake Seminole scene was set-up. His truck was parked over 100 yards from where the boat would be launched; the boat was found on the wrong side of the lake considering a storm that occurred that night; the waders later found were "pristine", appearing brand new. This was all presented to the law enforcement agency that does insurance fraud investigations prior to the SOL expiring. They declined to file charges with little comment, saying it was a difficult decision.
All of this about Lake Seminole/insurance fraud is detailed in articles by Jennifer Portman. If you go to her page at TDO, you can read all her stories. The site has "monthly limits" so I can't link them easily.
Further, sometime around maybe 2010, Mike's mother started questioning where a shotgun that had belonged to Mike's grandfather was. Mike had the gun for years and it should have been in the home at his time of his disappearance. Brian and Denise claimed they didn't know anything about it. Cheryl shared her concerns with LEO that a gun of Mike's was missing. ATF got a warrant and went to B&D's home and found nothing. A few months later, B&D surrendered the gun to ATF through their attorney. ATF made a brief statement, but couldn't say much because it was an ongoing investigation.
The following is not a fact and is one of my theories:
Brian and Denise convinced their families and friends that Mike's death was either accidental or self-inflicted. This is what they had to to in order to get cooperation in a cover-up; I can't fathom long-time friends of Mike agreed to hide his body and keep quiet if they knew it was murder.
Right now, law enforcement likely can't independently verify what they have been told as far as other's involvement. Meaning, finding the remains only proves that the person who took you there knew where they were, not that anything else they told you is true. But what they say is that the remains "prove murder", meaning they prove his death wasn't an accident or self-inflected. There's really only a handful of ways skeletal remains "prove murder" - there would have to be an "injury" that couldn't be accidental or self-inflected due to its severity or location(for instance, head trauma from a blunt object looks different than trauma from an accidental fall in most cases; a gun blast to the back of the skull couldn't be self-inflected). There would have to be something like that, or they couldn't say "the remains prove murder". The ME would have to be able to testify with 99.99% certainty that the cause of death couldn't have occurred any other way than "an intentional act" by someone other than the deceased.
I'm guessing at this point, law enforcement is now going back to every person they suspected of being involved in moving the body(or who they have now been told participated), telling them that, "now that you know it was murder, do you want to 'clarify your story'". This is in hopes that someone who thought they were just "tampering" now knows they are an accessory after the fact and wants to come clean. They would need at least one additional person to admit Denise's involvement if that's the case. Brian's word against her isn't going to cut it in a court of law.
It may turn out my theory is wrong, but I hope whoever has helped them out sincerely didn't believe Mike had been murdered.
Anyway, that's the background and a solid theory. I bet this ends fairly quickly. The only questions is how many people are going down.
Mike had planned to go to Lake Seminole after work that day. As recounted by a friend of his in the former TDO forums, he was working as a Salvation Army volunteer at a Publix(i believe) that afternoon and the person telling the story stopped to speak with him and noticed he was sick with a very bad cold/flu. Mike told the friend he was going hunting. The friend suggested that he looked pretty bad and should think about going home and getting some rest instead. Mike reportedly replied that he may do just that.
That's the last anyone can say they talked to him. Keep in mind, this was year 2000 - most people didn't have cell phones, there was no such thing as text messaging and people didn't keep in constant contact with friends and family via phones back then like we do today. So...
The general assumption is, he didn't go to Lake Seminole, went home unannounced instead, and found more than just Denise there. From that point, its anyone's speculation.
Law enforcement since determined the Lake Seminole scene was set-up. His truck was parked over 100 yards from where the boat would be launched; the boat was found on the wrong side of the lake considering a storm that occurred that night; the waders later found were "pristine", appearing brand new. This was all presented to the law enforcement agency that does insurance fraud investigations prior to the SOL expiring. They declined to file charges with little comment, saying it was a difficult decision.
All of this about Lake Seminole/insurance fraud is detailed in articles by Jennifer Portman. If you go to her page at TDO, you can read all her stories. The site has "monthly limits" so I can't link them easily.
Further, sometime around maybe 2010, Mike's mother started questioning where a shotgun that had belonged to Mike's grandfather was. Mike had the gun for years and it should have been in the home at his time of his disappearance. Brian and Denise claimed they didn't know anything about it. Cheryl shared her concerns with LEO that a gun of Mike's was missing. ATF got a warrant and went to B&D's home and found nothing. A few months later, B&D surrendered the gun to ATF through their attorney. ATF made a brief statement, but couldn't say much because it was an ongoing investigation.
The following is not a fact and is one of my theories:
Brian and Denise convinced their families and friends that Mike's death was either accidental or self-inflicted. This is what they had to to in order to get cooperation in a cover-up; I can't fathom long-time friends of Mike agreed to hide his body and keep quiet if they knew it was murder.
Right now, law enforcement likely can't independently verify what they have been told as far as other's involvement. Meaning, finding the remains only proves that the person who took you there knew where they were, not that anything else they told you is true. But what they say is that the remains "prove murder", meaning they prove his death wasn't an accident or self-inflected. There's really only a handful of ways skeletal remains "prove murder" - there would have to be an "injury" that couldn't be accidental or self-inflected due to its severity or location(for instance, head trauma from a blunt object looks different than trauma from an accidental fall in most cases; a gun blast to the back of the skull couldn't be self-inflected). There would have to be something like that, or they couldn't say "the remains prove murder". The ME would have to be able to testify with 99.99% certainty that the cause of death couldn't have occurred any other way than "an intentional act" by someone other than the deceased.
I'm guessing at this point, law enforcement is now going back to every person they suspected of being involved in moving the body(or who they have now been told participated), telling them that, "now that you know it was murder, do you want to 'clarify your story'". This is in hopes that someone who thought they were just "tampering" now knows they are an accessory after the fact and wants to come clean. They would need at least one additional person to admit Denise's involvement if that's the case. Brian's word against her isn't going to cut it in a court of law.
It may turn out my theory is wrong, but I hope whoever has helped them out sincerely didn't believe Mike had been murdered.
Anyway, that's the background and a solid theory. I bet this ends fairly quickly. The only questions is how many people are going down.
Thanks for the info. So the thought is D&B think Mike is going hunting but instead he comes home and finds them together. Brian probably shoots him in the back of the head or kills him some other way with a hit to the back of the head with some object.
From what I remember of talking with Mike’s mom Denise basically locks herself in her bedroom for months after Mike is dead — she is basically saying Denise had very weird behavior afterwards. Then a few years later D&B don’t let Mike’s mom see the granddaughter anymore after mikes mom won’t “drop it”. Good God what a disaster...
Do you think Denise is arrested? I have no idea who else would be involved.
It’s hard to argue with a well reasoned thought like this one.
Really, bc I would guess that anybody who read that sentence knew exactly what the poster was referring to, unless you were looking to make a snide remark. I don't think anybody thought the poster went to HS at Food Lion, but rather he worked with the missing guy at Food Lion. Syntax doesn't matter as much as you think it does.
The article said a grand jury indicted her. Please don't foul this up state prosecuters!
Video is there on TDO with cops escorting her out in handcuffs.
Video is there on TDO with cops escorting her out in handcuffs.
Interesting that FSU cops were transporting her. I realize she was on FSU property at the time of the arrest, but I just found that a little different than what I would have expected.
You would never in a million years think this is how the soap opera played out. Denise was a southern belle-- she would occasionally show up at Food Lion to see Mike-- she was real pretty back then too. Now I watch her being taken out in handcuffs and I can't believe. Where is Dateline NBC or ABC's 20/20?
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Awwwww. Hey there lil’ fella. Thanks for chirping up.
You’re mistaken. Syntax matters quite a lot.
Indicted on three counts: conspiracy to commit murder, first degree murder and accessory after the fact. I'm no lawyer but I'm assuming this means no chance of bail 
I hope the Winchester guy ratted on the people who helped them cover up the crime as well.
Better question is why is the lady police dressed like she is going to serve a warrant on a fraternity house?
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