If Norvell is really the guy, put your money where your mouth is and give him an extension to reward him for his career suicide. He is already under compensated for the role. If purging the program of bad actors, improving recruiting, and injecting better discipline into the program for the long term are the primary objectives, he should be rewarded. He may know what his team is capable of at this point with the ratio of freshmen and sophomores that he knows what will get them dismantled and what won't. He never placed lofty expectations in his team for this season. If short term results were expected he should be fired. Pretty simple. On the flip side, do you want a coach that does well out of the gate, puts it on their resume as a quick cleanup then leaves?

I think the coaches are rotating the QBs early to see how the opposing Defense is going to play each QB.
Then they decide which D is the one they think they can beat.

The problem is that it is contrary to what MN talks about. We need to focus on our team and how we perform. Not try to be reactive to the defense.

I don't care who plays QB
Our players can't get open or catch.

Run the Damn ball.

It's time to see if you can get out of the se season openers. If not don't schedule anymore for 10 years. It's cupcake time and the rest of the ACC can show us the way. Most of them play high school level team and one power 5 team like Rutgers or Kansas. We have UF and ND. The rest should be established 1 to 2 win schools from the D-2 or NAIA. The program is at a point where people will go to a game if they know it's a win. Who is going to a $3-4K weekend to watch FSU get beat like adrim on prime time. Cupcakes cupcakes cupcakes. Certified cupcake

Man have we fallen so far. Rewatched the game this morning and realize this type of playing calling and defensive play calling is made for the AAC conference. He was never supposed to be our head coach let alone a coordinator here

These 2 calls is when I lost all hope.

Had the Td against ND and the past two weeks basically nothing. Is he hurt or what??

MN keeps saying We're a young football team."
Really?
Milton. Corbin. Baveon. Taylor. Gant. Dent. Gainer. Johnson. Parchment. Helton. McDonald. Jay. Cooper. Rice. Gibbons. Scott. Briggs. Thomas. Dotson.
It's all about coaching. These kids aren't getting it.
(except for defensive line.)

outside of a jermaine johnson, it appears the transfer portal is NOT this amazing solution. i bought into it, guilty, but it's not the fix it was glorified to be

How far did Travis throw that ball? 35 yards?

He cussed out CMN during the JSU game. Bad attitude AND no talent. He should never see the field again. No wonder Louisville kicked him to a program that was DESPERATE for quarterbacks at the time.

Turnovers.

Clearly we’ve all heard and are uneasy about the future of the program. I would suspect Norvell is getting advice that he needs some changes - more so for the fact I trust Michael Alford to tell him that he needs to send a message

…I’m OK with T.Ward being RB1 if he can pass protect.

from the snippets we heard about him under Taggart (and seen), to the few snaps he got last season, being placed on scholly (affecting how we now recruit the pos) & the work he did in the spring, and how he looks from the reports/film he APPEARS to fit this offense best IMO. The vision, reaction/cuts just look solid.

Also okay with him being RB2 & sharing that with Toafili. Would enjoy Ira or Mr. Clark’s take on this.

What type of talent (or lack there of) we have on the current roster, do they continue fruitless attempts to eek out a win in this meaningless season or do they invest in the future by:

• Playing younger players who will have a bigger role next season.
  Abandoning any direct snap plays in order to protect our QBs.
• Changing offensive and defensive coordinators *this* season.
• Focusing on fundamental skills in practice instead of trick plays.
• Simplifying play calling and drastically reducing the number of plays in our playbook.
• Walking the team through the NCAA football rule book so they understand why penalties are applied.

Lets face it: this season is done. I’m interested to see if the coaches are capable adjusting their approach and at least helping players make progress by increasing their skills (if only slightly) and increasing their game intelligence. To me, that would be real progress that prepares us for a better future.

Are we too busy just trying to get our guys playing disciplined, fundamental football and running our offense that we do not game plan for our opponents?

I ask because every week it just seems we are just grasping at straws at what might work against defenses and then even when we find a weakness we can exploit, we go away from what's working.

Against Jax St, it seemed like we could pound Corbin and Ward between the tackles all day. Against Wake it seemed they took that interior running game away but we had success with wider pitches to Ward (and even Toafili).

It really hit me in that game when the announcers mentioned that they were surprised Wake wasnt getting the ball to their star receiver Roberson. And I was thinking, why should they, when they have complete mismatch with 6'5" Perry against 5'11" Brownlee. Perry had 155 of Wake's 259 receiving yards along with a big PI that kept a drive alive.

It just haven't seen our coaches doing the same kind of game planning in forever. Even Jimbo was more of a "we are going to execute the things we do" coach than to adjust to what the defense does.

I'd add in self scouting and making adjustments to anticipate what defense might try to take away, but I'm not sure we do anything well enough for that.

Thoughts? I’m not advocating but I just don’t see Muschamp coming here. Fuller has to go though. Dot was right. There’s no resume of accomplishment.

Maybe we got the wrong coach outta Memphis? Their special teams look good and they are a very disciplined team.

It truly pains me to say this. But Norvell looks incompetent. Beyond that, he looks like he has zero faith in his players. Just look at his body language. It’s starting to rub off. We have some dark days ahead.

Calling FSU the worst team in the country is currently objectively true.

IF Norvell makes a change at seasons end, I would love to hire Muschamp at DC. The guy can recruit on defense, brings energy and always had nasty defenses.

Norvell has the organization and has improved the culture, but he clearly needs some guys around him to help him win. Having a nasty and well coached defense would help.

Not sure who I would want at OC. Who would you want?

Did we really only have 7 Seniors/Grad transfers on th 2 deep?

Baveon Johnson (he’s horrible but played due to OL injuries)
KZ
Dillon Gibbons
Andrew Parchment
Meiko Dotson
Jermaine Johnson
Keir Thomas

So out of 44 on the 2 deep O and D depth chart I count 7 Seniors/grad transfers. Is that it? There are a crap ton of of Fr and So listed. I have no idea if that translates to a brighter future ahead. a la Wake Forest, but they returned 20 starters this year and had 9 super seniors.

Look, I’m mad. I’m disgusted with these coaches. I question their abilities. But I’m trying to be fair. CMN came in about 2 weeks before the 2020 signing class and had to recruit the 2021 signees in a pandemic with very little contact and no on campus visits.

Bobby used to say add one loss for each Freshman who starts. Hell, half our team looks like it’s fresh out of high school if you look at the depth chart.

I dunno. I’m tired of losing. The Lost Decade looks better than this. We need a crap ton more experience and quality depth. That’s for sure.

Why stay? Travis is back next year. Will Norvell continue to run Travis out there who will never learn how to read a defense / run an offense? Or will he give the young blood a chance?

I don’t see Purdy staying on this train wreck without seeing the field.

Duffy could decommit and we are SCREWED

What insight do they gain from scouting? How does that impact game prep?

We get better updates from bailey’s tidbits. It’s why I subscribe to WC seriously.

Can someone please give real info from behind the scenes?

For making that 4th down stand with about 8 minutes left when they clearly could have already mailed it in. No matter the result, I can support effort like that throughout these extremely challenging times. Reminds me of ND last year on that final goal line stand. These boys might not have been very good yesterday, but at least there was some fight in the dog.

Time to clean house for next year I say we keep the following then take advantage of adding 35 if it passes

QB- Purdue and Rodeamaker
RB- Ward Corbin Wren
WR Poitier McClain Burrell Robinson Douglas Williamson
TE West Douglas
OL Orr Estes R Scott Shreader Herring Washington Willis Smith
DE Fuller Wilson Turner Payton
DT Cooper S Jackson Farmer Ray J Jackson Briggs
LB Deloach Eubanks
CB Jay Washington Cooper Tate Knowles
S- R Green S Brown Green-McKnight S Williams

that’s only 42 maybe there are more useful player but I am done with guys who have shown they can’t make a play

So, I think we can all agree that questions about game planning and in-game decisions abound. But, have you considered the experience level of the players in the game. Of the 25 offensive players listed on the depth chart for the Wake Forest game, 14 were sophomores or freshman. Of the 29 defensive players listed on the depth chart for the Wake Forest game, 23 were sophomores or freshman. That's are very inexperienced and young depth chart. So I wonder how much of the game planning and in-game decisions are impacted by the lack of experience on the roster? How many of the poor play executions are due to inexperience of the roster? And of the juniors and seniors, how many of them were actually developed properly during their freshman and sophomore years? For the non-transfer seniors and juniors, I'm betting the development was poor.

Not saying there haven't been some seriously poor play calls, but you have to wonder how much of the play calling is the coaches trying to win games with an outmatched team vs. just trying to improve. We all say we want to see improvement, but is that really the case. It sure seems, at times, that we care more about winning, and I'm guessing the fan feedback may be impacting coaching decisions.