Wish we had 10 like him

I actually witnessed, once again, a real live college football game. I was at the Penn State - Auburn "whiteout" game. 109,958 people present. The place was rocking!!!! Noise was deafening. By in-large, not to many stupid penalties. Exciting game. I love FSU, but why spend the money and the time on the product that was witnessed at Wake Forest when I can watch in person some real college football. It was amazing!

Whenever FSU went on the road, there once was a time when people from other schools would fill their stands simply because Florida State was in town. They knew their team was most likely going to lose, but it was FSU that they all wanted to see. Sad, but not anymore. The Wake Forest fans could not even fill their own stands, even with FSU in town. Compare that to 109,958 in Happy Valley.

I felt two things.
1. Felt great to witness how really good college football can be, and
2. Sad at how far FSU has fallen.

every decision now e.g. QB, needs to be about preparing for 2022. Sorry, but it is what it is.

Everything went wrong but the offense remains the most alarming segment

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It is not just the Players. It is not just the Coaches. It is not Administrative buy in. It is not the support personnel. It is culture. Through 50 years of working with like situations I learned culture is hard to keep going but EASY to lose. Once it is lost it is very difficult to get back. You have to start at the bottom and work at it daily. You need an influx of new personnel who are committed to the end result and just as importantly the process. I also found it takes 3-4 years before you see the best results. You can celebrate little improvements but it takes TIME and COMMITMENT to have the best result. We are early in the process in my mind and we need to make sure those (players, coaches, admin, the whole group) we have are committed and willing to work at it daily. YES we need more talent but that is only one ingredient in this souffle - we have to make sure we have all the right ingredients or the result will surely fall like a bad souffle. AND YES one of the main ingredients is PATIENCE. I am disappointed with the results so far but am convinced we have the right chef we just need to tweek the other ingredients and have some commitment and patience and this can work out. CHANGING Chefs is not the answer- you just have to start over. JMHO

Seriously question. Were many of the over-the-top busted plays by the DBs related to them getting sucked up by that “mesh” handoff Wake was running?

I’m not Coach or expert but shouldn’t they be playing the receiver regardless? One would think with them being 1:1 with the receiver they should be playing them vs looking in the backfield.

Some might not like hearing this, but Norvell’s record of 3-9 at FSU which would be 3–12 if 3 games hadn’t been canceled because of Covid is enough of a sample size to know where this is going. No road wins at FSU in a joke of a conference, blowout losses to average teams still being a thing, and the dumbest penalties on repeat in every game make it all the tougher to stomach, and it falls at the feet of Mike Norvell.

He hasn’t fixed the culture, he’s not a good in game coach, he has a timid on field demeanor which exudes zero confidence and yes he still has a lot more talent on paper than most ACC teams he faces. This is a runaway train Sum of All Fears scenario that needs to be aborted as soon as possible. Everyone has this fixation on preserving the #6 recruiting class that won’t be top 10 by the end of the year even if all current commits are retained which is highly doubtful. Any functional coach can pull top 10 classes at FSU anyways. I’d rather lose every commit and start from scratch with a new big name coach that has a proven track record at this level. The worst thing we can do is go 4-8 with wins over Louisville, Cuse, UMASS, and say BC and get pulled into calling it “improvement” as we proceed forward with the wrong guy.

I know this is a recruiting board yet MN may need to move on from Adam Fuller and promote Randy Shannon to DC in order for this defense to be in position play in play out. Fuller is worst than Charles Kelly in my opinion. Kelly was just loaded with talent that made his coaching seem good.

Adjustments are a reflection of preparation and anticipation. FSU has scored three points in the second half of the last two games. I can’t get over this!!!! No one on this board, other coaches or media thinks our offensive head coach can adjust much less prepare for the schemes designed by opposing teams.

Let this sink in, three points against Jacksonville State and Wake. We have no clue how to adjust much less put together a sound game plan.

Dillingham has to go, I’m sorry. Games are won in the context of a whole game and that means making adjustments.

Maybe I’m early in saying this but my Lord! Something has to give.

As the thread title says - I’ve seen it inferred by posters here and on different podcasts that Kenny Dillingham is calling the plays on offense this season (as opposed to Norvell the season prior). Has this ever been confirmed?
If that is the case, I cannot imagine Norvell taking them back after this weekend.

He wins with zero talent. On the cheap

I’ve been a Nole since I was born.
dad was a grad:
I’m a grad who was too dumb to do anything but go get shot at.

I refuse to give up on our program.

lmfaoooo we are the most successful program since the mid 70s.
We finally have a few bad years and mfs are ready to call it quits.

Yes: we are awful. Yes: we need new coordination on both sides.

I still believe in Norvell and so does the rest of the country. He is highly respected.

breathe

Like it or not changes are coming. This is not only big business but the blood life of Florida State. Like it or not FSU’s popularity isn’t and never will be because of their academics, though the university has made great strides.

Many years ago FSU had a student enrollment of 20k today’s is more than 40k all because of the success of FSU football which helps fund our basketball, baseball, softball, track and every other team at FSU. So while we may want to complain and even turn our backs I ask that we all stay strong and see this through the rough waters. Those smarter than us will sort this out as there’s way too much to lose.

and didn't watch a single play of the game. We played about as I expected, and it looks like we will empty the bucket list this fall in lieu of Saturday trips to Doak...

Why can’t we just pretend our program just got off a 5yr probation period, where we unconsciously paid a Fraud $20,000,000 to defraud the University. We were restricted from recruiting any star rated OL, LB or CB capable of defending a pass beyond 8yds. QBs had to either be injured or very vulnerable to injury. Of course our Coaching Staff can’t be middle of the road. They must have a very low FB IQ, especially in game situations, but very tuned in to analytics! Then we would all be more patient, in the rebuilding process!

Discuss.

Florida State's defense was one of the worst in the country in 2020. But what if the Seminoles can just get back to respectable in 2021? What would it mean for the offense and the entire team? That is the premise of our latest, "What if?"

Simple question, why is Chubba still not playing? Is he just that bad or hurt, again?

MM was a heisman candidate on UCF and he’s interception throwing 2nd team scrub on FSU. Our coaching is horrendous!!!

Here are 5 questions about the FSU defense, and my thoughts on how things might play out this fall. There's also an accompanying video with Tom Lang and myself discussing the defense and more.

FSU Defense Primer: 5 questions and predictions heading into preseason camp

At Wake Norvell goes for it on his own 30 early in the second qt. Later at the press conference when asked about the pick 6 on 4th and 2 he says very confidently it was the right play. We had only run out of the wildcat all year. The stats showed that Wake would bite on the run and not expect Corbin to throw the fade to Milton. He then said it was the right call and he'd do it again. Wake 30 FSU 27. I want a souvenir cup JaxSt memorial cup at the next home game. Soda should be half Even Williams served in the cup.

Wasn’t he know for having a high octane creative offenses and disciplined motivated teams?

And teams that actually won games?

What good things did he do at Memphis that he IS doing at FSU?

Yes I know his tenure with FSU has not been long but do we see any progress? Or regression?

If CMN is replaced in the next couple years?

Here’s the thing today, and it’s not just FSU.

There are not tons of great coaches. In fact there are very few. Those are worth millions.

But we have lots of programs that want great coaches. So in the end the market is out of whack.

Teams just can’t hire on rational contracts. An unproven coach with potential is needed many places. But they don’t need to be paid like they’ve won. The system would be better if we could hire coaches for 750k with great incentives. Maybe a little more. But not a ton. Make it performance based. Then when coaches do well they will do well. When they’re not ready for prime time they won’t become rich at the expense of programs.

What sucks is I don’t see a solution. The need to win NOW is too high and too many programs are going after the same scant resource. And more and more are going to be able to eat the cost of being wrong more than FSU can.

It’s a mess.