Who or what group of coaches/analysts are vetting players coming in. Are the opposing coaches transparent
with players leaving? It's the NFL now and they obviously have some system or protocol in place? Right

When is CMN going to start making moves to right this sunk ship? Friendships and loyalty is only going to get him so far. How long is he willing to let his career keep on this trajectory?

On Tuesday's edition of the Osceola's Seminole Sidelines, host Patrick Burnham is joined by Charles Fishbein, Nick Carlisle and Tampa sports talk show host JP Peterson to discuss FSU football recruiting and preview FSU vs. Miami.

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We will likely have a full house for Seminole Sidelines tonight with Mark Salva, Jerry Kutz, Bob Ferrante and Curt Weiler planning to join. We will talk about the importance of the next 12 weeks as it relates to the future of the program: How does FSU finish the season on the field, holding onto this recruiting class, navigating the portal in December (who will leave, who will they need to replace), potential changes down the road on the coaching staff.

Please leave any questions you may have in this thread so we can try to answer them.


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Hello fans. I've been quiet for a long time. Why? Don't know. Nevertheless, I am now moved to write.
Last year and for the last few years, I have heard the term "meaningless" bowl game used frequently by many fans and media. I've always felt that is wrong. Reality is that all of these games are truly meaningless in terms of life. Every single one. The national championship game too. Unless you're somehow financially connected to the game, it's all just entertainment.
But as a fan, I've never ever felt that any game was meaningless. Especially bowl games. Last year, people said the Orange Bowl was meaningless against Georgia. We played like it too. It looks like we have a nice hangover still from New Year's.
I now invite everyone who subscribes to what I call the "meaningless fallacy" to reconsider their opinion. Otherwise, given that "meaningless" means no possibility of a championship, the rest of the season for the Seminoles is therefore meaningless.
I bet you don't feel that way and I don't either. I now hope to get to a bowl game and I hope the players feel the same way. I hope when they get to a bowl, the players and the fans don't view it as meaningless.

Mike Norvell doesn't shy away from saying he puts more importance on FSU's rivalry games against Florida and Miami. While his team has really struggled this season, he's hopeful the Miami rivalry will bring out the best in his team this week.

From the Osceola's Justin Hood: Observations, thoughts on FSU softball newcomers from Saturday exhibition

They aren’t even worth watching. That started in the SMU game, for me, but it’s on at the bar. What a joke.

The big picture for Florida State is player development. In a season where the Seminoles (1-6) have struggled at every position group on offense, there are opportunities for true freshmen to begin seeing the field on game days or earn more snaps.

FSU's hero of the game - Omar Graham Jr. Six tackles and a massive TFL

Praise from Mike Norvell for how Graham has handled adversity, how he has played and "stayed the course."

With a hurricane warning flag flying over Florida State's practice complex, the Seminoles began Miami week Monday morning.

The Friday game last week at Duke allowed FSU to sneak in an extra practice this week so the practice availabilities will be Monday and Wednesday with Tuesday, Thursday and Friday closed to the media. Here are the observations from the first day of practice availability this week.

• Monday's practice in many ways reminded me of the FSU offense's performance in Friday's loss at Duke. The run game had some nice moments during team periods. Lawrance Toafili, Caziah Holmes, Micahi Danzy and Sam Singleton each had moments where they got to the second level of the defense on the ground for a sizable gain. However, the passing game never was able to string together much success during good-on-good team periods Monday. The pass rush was consistently hurrying up the quarterbacks and making it hard for them to have time to find the open man downfield.
• In 7-on-7 pass skelly work, though, the quarterbacks had more success. Luke Kromenhoek uncorked an exceptional deep ball on the very first play of the period that was run down and caught in the air between two defenders by Lawayne McCoy for a touchdown. It drew a big reaction from me as I didn't think McCoy was going to make the play and the pass couldn't have been much better. Fellow freshman wideout Elijah Moore was again a frequent target of Kromenhoek's during scout-team work and 7-on-7, made a few nice catches and did a good job of getting consistently open. Mike Norvell praised the freshman wide receivers after practice for very impressive days of work.
• I thought the quarterbacks were about even on the day. Neither had stellar days, but one wasn't particularly better or worse than the other on the day. Brock Glenn remains listed as the starter on the depth chart but it remains to be seen what the real situation will be for Saturday's game at Miami.
• In 1-on-1s, Hykeem Williams dropped the first pass of the period, seeing it bounce off his hands. Wide receivers coach Ron Dugans got onto the sophomore, yelling at him to "catch the football." That's just what Williams did in his next two reps, first getting his hands above his head for a nice extended catch on a ball that I thought was going to be too high for him and then creating separation deep for a chunk gain way downfield. While the beginning was not great, it was a better ending to the period for Williams.
• Ja'Bril Rawls had an interception on a Kromenhoek pass during pass skelly 7-on-7. It seemed to be a miscommunication between the quarterback and his intended receiver as the pass was not in the immediate area of any target, instead going close to Rawls who made the play. Grady Kelly also had a pass breakup at the line of scrimmage during 11-on-11 work Monday morning.

Read we lost another and are outside the top 50 now. I’m not a recruitnik but this is a mess. It seems we’d already had too much portal focus and average recruiting, and now it seems we’ve not just lost momentum but maybe reversed it.

It looks like we’ve a lot to deal with. Suit not going quickly at all. Bottom falling out of team. All while pushing for more money. Losing ratings badly when we need them most.

Should I be as worried as I am about recruiting? I think even with money there it’s not easy to get these kids. And we’re not offering anything now to make kids pick us over even decent P2 programs.

This may a truncated version of Second Look Sunday due to a couple of things, one Mike and his staff are meeting with the media today instead of Monday and the team is practicing tomorrow instead of today and I and we plan on attending so I might not have enough time to get through the entire game by tomorrow morning.


That being said, I would he happy to answer some of your questions on the game if you have any about the game?

A couple of obvious things, the defense played well enough to win the game. You aren't going to beat anyone when you turn the ball over four times, just ask Texas who did the same thing last night vs. Georgia. And despite all of that, FSU is three dropped passes away from having at least 13 more points on the board.

Malik Benson's drop in the first half, would have led to at least a field goal. Poiter dropped a TD pass and if Hykeem Williams doesn't drop the ball in the second half inside the Duke 30 and likely would have gotten a field goal out of that drive.

The bad news is Duke beat FSU without even trying to move the ball on FSU. They knew they couldn't run the ball on FSU but continued to do so to shorten the game. Manny Diaz knew that FSU couldn't move the ball consistently on his defense and wanted to do just enough on offense to get out the game with a win. Duke attempted in second fewest passes of the season vs. FSU on Friday.

FSU sports information:

Florida State redshirt freshman kick returner Samuel Singleton Jr. is the ACC Specialist of the Week after a career day Friday night at Duke. He is FSU’s second Specialist of the Week after kicker Ryan Fitzgerald earned the honor against Georgia Tech.

Singleton, from Charleston, S.C., returned four kickoffs for 165 yards, including a 95-yard touchdown to open the second half. Entering the game, Singleton had returned just one kick in his career, earlier this season against Clemson.

The 95-yard touchdown is tied for the 19th-longest in FSU history and was the first of Singleton’s career. His 165 kick return yards are seventh in FSU history and tied for the third-most in the country this season.

Singleton’s 165 kickoff return yards are the most for a freshman this season and he is the only Power 4 freshman with a kickoff return touchdown this year. Before Singleton, the last FSU freshman to take a kickoff return to the end zone was Kermit Whitfield who did it twice in 2013.

Florida State is one of two schools with a kickoff return touchdown each of the last three seasons. Head coach Mike Norvell has now had 14 kickoff return touchdowns in his nine seasons as head coach.

CHARLOTTE, N.C. (theACC.com) – The Atlantic Coast Conference and ESPN have announced that they will use a six-day flex to determine the kickoff times and networks for all six games in ACC play scheduled for Week 10 on Saturday, November 2. The game times and networks will be made on a six-day selection following the conclusion of the games in Week 9.

Saturday, November 2

• Louisville at Clemson
• Stanford at NC State
• North Carolina at Florida State
• Virginia Tech at Syracuse
• Pitt at SMU
• Duke at Miami

GO NOLES!!!

If he isn’t fired, he will turn into UFs Dabo Swinney.