Sumlin's buyout is $10 mil and to buy Jimbo out it would be $7 mil.
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I don't necessarily "want Jimbo gone", but if he and Sexton try to shake us down again, he can pound the pavement with all due respect.
Agree 100 percent. I don’t think we pay him to stay. Just not rooting for him to go.
I’d be fine if we got Sumlin and cash in exchange for Jimbo. Sumlin has gotten %*%* upon unfairly, he’s a great coach aTm just isn’t a great football school other than having a ton of oil and SEC money (and which one is dirtier?).
The rumor is $40mil guaranteed over five years. Accepting a raise of $2.5mil a year says he's smart. I'm sure you would decline that over some sense of loyalty, right?
I guess but money is not the only thing you should think about when you are in that salary range. For instance does JF think going through bama and the rest of the SEC west is easier than the ACC, Does JF consider that you have believe TX will be back and recruiting against OK, TX, LSU OK ST, Baylor, etc. easier than what he has to compete against now, JF has to realize if they are going to pay that kind of money and the buyouts they will not tolerate the same standard they are getting from Sumlin I would imagine that TX AM expects 10 win seasons every year with the money they are paying and I don't know if that is realistic? There are a bunch more things as well; but hey if the extra 2.5 million or so is worth it then have at it. IMO FSU is a better job, and a better/easier place to get to the CFB. While TX AM is not a complete rebuilding effort; there certainly will be a bunch of rebuilding, the talent on the roster is not as good as FSUs, you will need to find a new staff, make all new HS connections, assume he wants to run is offense etc.
Whatever happens FSU will be fine and there will be a line of guys wanting the job. FSU could easily be in the CFB next year with the talent on the roster right now; TX AM is at best if everything worked out perfectly 3-5 years from the CFB. My only wish is if he is leaving then just go and move on; so FSU can start our process. Which also raises another issue/complaint, if JF is considering it or whatever then say it; we certainly know FSU isn't going to give him more money. As a matter of fact if I was the FSU admin I would bring him in today and ask him the hard questions; are you considering leaving, if NO then what are your plans to address your staff issues and changes, if YES then make your decision before the ULM game so we can get moving as well. When you get paid as much as he does with the job security FSU gave him we have a right to ask the hard questions and get answers.
You stated it "would say more about him". As to all of the above, no, I doubt any of that ever crossed his mind.
IMO I don't think most people want him to go; however we also don't want to have the same staff with the same excuses and we just don't know if JF is willing to do that. If the question is JF stays and so do all of his staff or JF goes and we get new people then sadly I think we are better off if the only way we get some new coaches is for JF to leave.
What has he done to suggest that he will change coaches? Nothing, but he did threaten a fan who suggested he change coaches.
If there was a desire to make some changes and maybe delegate more the fine with me if he stays but I don't see any signs (now) of that happening.
Also gets old having a "committed" HC who is always seemingly chasing a better contract.
If anyone has contacted Jimbo or Sexton, Jimbo has to tell the administration, per his contract. So, if Texas A&M is in contact, the administration knows about it.
Who says he's chasing a better contract? When other schools express interest and makes a better offer, it's Sexton's job as well as the FSU athletic department's job to analyze the situation and do what is best for both parties. If that includes a better contract, so be it. Don't you want to enter any negotiation from a position of strength?
I get all that.
If one of my employees came to me and said im being pursued, I'm really torn, etc, if they were a good performer I'd try to keep them.
But if they tried it again a year later I'd tell them maybe they should go ahead and pursue that new opportunity.
10-4
9-4
12-2
10-3
10-3
4-6
Thats with playing against down UF and UM sides and a average conference top to bottom. Why do you think FSU can't do better without outlier Winston years? We would be on top of many coaches looking to take the next step.
The rumor is $40mil guaranteed over five years. Accepting a raise of $2.5mil a year says he's smart. I'm sure you would decline that over some sense of loyalty, right?
It's $50 million over 6 years ($8.3m yr) versus $5.75m yr for 9 years(w/ extensions) at FSU. You can only buy so many Nike sunglasses, hats and sports shirts.
He's not chasing dollars anymore than anyone else, but he is chasing professional recognition, ie a Dynasty. At FSU with the brand recognition, recruiting pool and ACC schedule, he has a much better shot than at A&M. That is, of course, if he can just get out of his own way. I'm not sure he can do that, but only time will tell.
Bobby got it.....
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The difference is that the pool from which you would draw your next employee and that of a top tier college football coach are quite different.
Thinking FSU could easily replace Fisher is foolish IMO. Ask uf, Texas, LSU, Tennessee, etc. how it went for them. And all of those school's resources are greater than FSU's.
Exactly at some point you become the guy who is always wanting more and doesn't have loyalty. I get more money and anyone would take it; I just disagree if you are making top 10 money in your field and being treated fairly then maybe you should focus more on being the best instead of getting another 1 million here and there. There is also the reality that after JW left we are
10-4
9-4
12-2
10-3
10-3
4-6
and this while the top 2 in state rivals have been down and a little chaos.
While finding a top tier coach can be difficult; I also think that if you look for the right qualities instead of a name your pool is larger. Take how things went a couple of years ago when the ACC made a number of great hires and look what some other schools did I will use usc-e as an example. Sure a nice name and all; but what would make you think that Muschamp could take your school to the next level when he couldn't do it at uf. They hired a name when they could have maybe found a guy a little less known but had proven himself at a lower level.
This is only the third year since Jameis left. Quoting a G5 stat doesn't do you any favors.
Fair enough but the fact is we are going backwards and the issues have had for a while are still there. O-line is a mess and when push comes to shove we can't stop a team when we have to and heaven forbid we play a team that an offense that runs a spread.
Fair enough.
He did just get a contract extension and raise in December 2016. And since then is 4-6. But I guess if you've got leverage, use it.
Championship = elite or something clownish.
No other coaches would top those numbers and buck those trends.
I mean literally every insider is in agreement that substantial staff changes will happen so that's something. He's not going to stand pat after a 6-6 (best case) season.
I always laugh when our fans want to throw away the 27-1 we went in 13-14 because we had Jameis. Did he carry the 2013 team? because I seem to recall us completely annihilating everyone with a roster recruited and developed by Jimbo and his staff. 2014 is debatable but don't forget how many TOs Winston had, I think 18 picks which is a huge number in college football. I know, some were on the receivers, but not even close to the majority of them. You can't toss out 13-14 but include 10-11 when we were reloading the roster that was decimated by the end of the Bowden era.
Jimbo is currently 83-23 which is a 78.3% winning percentage. That SOUNDS bad but Dabo is 99-29 which is a 77.3% winning percentage and there’s only a small number of FBS coaches in the history of football that have a better percentage even with this terrible season.
Here’s the only coaches with a better winning percentage at the FBS level with more than five seasons at that level. They’re ranked in highest winning percent to “lowest”.
Knute Rockne
Frank Leahy
Corch Irving Mayer
Bob Stoops
Tom Osborne
Robert Neyland
Bud Wilkinson
Chris Petersen
Bob Devaney
Bo Schembechler
And
Nick Saban
That’s it. The entire list at FBS schools over five years. Note Bobby Bowden and a ton of others are behind Jimbo (and no I didn’t purposefully exclude Chip Kelly for having only four years that’s what the list used as a cutoff and I think that’s fair).
Ok so we play the game again and since TX AM wants JF we throw some more money his way, help out his assistants and when the season is over all that happens is some shifting of duties and the staff stays intact. Then what? The bottom line is the issues for the most part aren't new and while I don't expect JF to make big changes mid-season, I have also not seen anything that makes me go oh yea he sees this and I ready to change stuff. I guess we will see.
No one is saying we throw more money at him. In fact a Warchant article this week specifically said that that isn't going to happen. Not only won't they ask, but the school wouldn't do it. What would happen is that Jimbo and the school would agree upon capital improvements already in the works that Jimbo thinks are important. Like the indoor training facility. That's it. There will be no raise.
I can see where Jimbo would leave a job he has success at for the SEC west, it worked so well for Bret Beliemma
I agree that he will fail there, but that won't be our problem and he'll have a boatload of money.
A&M had plenty of money before they went to the SEC. Aggy is just a historically underachieving program that feeds of the "tradition" bullcrap
Very true. aTm entered the SEC as the wealthiest program in the conference.
What's Jimbo's record against FBS schools since and including his loss at GT? I'll tell you, pretty damn bad.
Outside of the 2 years when JW was here, look at some of the schools we have lost to, the under performing teams.
Who pushed for, demanded, raises and increased salaries for the assistant coaches? What has that gotten us? Are they really good coaches?
Everybody likes to listen and hear jimbo talk about the process and crap, like he is some coaching guru....but he doesn't really demand the things he talks about from his coaches. Kelly And trickett should have been gone long ago, who is his loyalty to, the people he hires or the people who pay him.....?
Now I'm not saying he should be fired, but I can tell you UF isn't hiring a coach with Sexton as an agent. And unless major changes aren't made on the staff, and if A&M makes him a big offer, then so be it, so long.
The truth is, he hasn't earned a raise, and if he can't accept that and leaves, so be it.
Outside of the 2 years when JW was here, look at some of the schools we have lost to, the under performing teams.
Who pushed for, demanded, raises and increased salaries for the assistant coaches? What has that gotten us? Are they really good coaches?
Everybody likes to listen and hear jimbo talk about the process and crap, like he is some coaching guru....but he doesn't really demand the things he talks about from his coaches. Kelly And trickett should have been gone long ago, who is his loyalty to, the people he hires or the people who pay him.....?
Now I'm not saying he should be fired, but I can tell you UF isn't hiring a coach with Sexton as an agent. And unless major changes aren't made on the staff, and if A&M makes him a big offer, then so be it, so long.
The truth is, he hasn't earned a raise, and if he can't accept that and leaves, so be it.
What tradition? They haven't been relevant since the Bear went home (know you're a UT guy)
Are you sure about that re: Sumlin? His only competitive teams were with a Heisman trophy winner and a generational WR (who I believe single-handily made that Heisman winner).
Other than Saban and his overstuffed Alabama teams stacked with more talent than most NFL teams, what team couldn’t you say that about? Every national champion FSU team had a Heisman winning QB (Ward, Weinke, Winston), at least one amazing WR (Kez McCorvey and Tamarick Vanover in 93, Peter Warrick and Snoop Minnis in 99, and Kelvin Benjamin in 13) and at least one great running back (Warrick Dunn, William Floyd and Sean Jackson in 93, Travis Minor in 99, and Devonta Freeman in 13).
Except even our "weaker" teams stacked up nationally for the most part. A&M's under Sumlin without that one duo? And that doesn't even factor in that Sumlin apparently can't bring in that type of player more than once (as a combo) ever.
Wow. just hard to imagine that with all those crappy teams FSU played... their SOS was top five in '16 and '17. Makes you wonder eh?
We just beat the damn gators...going to enjoy the victory and then see what tomorrow brings.
Amazing is someone inferring that top 5 SOS is somehow playing " down UF and UM " and " avg. conf. teams. But I suppose facts can be optional.
