@AllNoles, this is a better answer than mine above.
And the two parts I really hate....
1) judgemental a holes if you don't want to take it (not you)
2) potential forcing people to take it (you didn't say this)
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And the two parts I really hate....
1) judgemental a holes if you don't want to take it (not you)
2) potential forcing people to take it (you didn't say this)
Like I said, ease up on the personal name calling that’s all I said (rube) and maybe quit stalking me? 🤷🏼♂️ 🤣
I shared recently that there were numerous young otherwise healthy pregnant women on ventilators at UAB Hospital in Birmingham. They were afraid of the vaccine.
while I get what you’re saying, we know the definite risk of covid. Some of those women and possibly their babies aren’t going to make it.
It’s almost as if some people still ONLY think about the survival rate. The hell with overwhelmed hospitals and ICUs. The fact that this variant is attacking adults and young adults not just the elderly. And that many of those who do survive have a long road ahead of them. The overwhelming cost that this is taking financially. The fact that vaccines can help stop the spread and can keep even more variants from coming. Never mind all that.
decisions shouldn't be made on anecdotes. the age range of mortality hasn't shifted statistically.
What are you saying exactly about the age range. Tell me about your grandparents?
And there are a TON of young adults and even children who are VERY sick from this.
my grandparents are deceased.
here are the weekly COVID deaths in Florida for the past 5 weeks broken down for percentage by age range. the results are statistically the same for Alabama. The vast majority of deaths occurring in the 50+ age groups as has been the case since day 1.
| 7/23 diff | % | 7/30 diff | % | 8/6 diff | % | 8/13 diff | % | 8/20 diff | % | |
| <16 | 0 | 0.00 | 0 | 0.00 | 1 | 0.16 | 2 | 0.19 | 1 | 0.07 |
| 16-29 | 6 | 2.13 | 4 | 0.98 | 6 | 0.97 | 13 | 1.21 | 28 | 1.88 |
| 30-39 | 4 | 1.42 | 6 | 1.47 | 21 | 3.41 | 37 | 3.45 | 51 | 3.43 |
| 40-49 | 17 | 6.03 | 28 | 6.85 | 51 | 8.28 | 79 | 7.38 | 104 | 7.00 |
| 50-59 | 47 | 16.67 | 60 | 14.67 | 93 | 15.10 | 153 | 14.29 | 216 | 14.54 |
| 60-64 | 31 | 10.99 | 38 | 9.29 | 63 | 10.23 | 103 | 9.62 | 141 | 9.49 |
| 65+ | 177 | 62.77 | 273 | 66.75 | 381 | 61.85 | 684 | 63.87 | 945 | 63.59 |
| 282 | 100.00 | 409 | 100.00 | 616 | 100.00 | 1071 | 100.00 | 1486 | 100.00 |
there is also nothing statistically unusual about the age range of hospitalized patients. at this time last year the dominant age group for hospitalizations was the 18-49 age group. that is again the case this year and has been since May.
with respect to cases, here is the past 5 weeks COVID case data in Florida again broken down by age and percentage share by each age group. the only age groups that have shown a marked increase week over week during the delta surge are the <16 and 65+. The other age groups have basically been flat or decreasing. Once again, the rates in Alabama by percentage share are substantially the same.
| 7/23 diff | % | 7/30 diff | % | 8/6 diff | % | 8/13 diff | % | 8/20 diff | % | |
| <16 | 10303 | 14.08 | 15644 | 14.13 | 19363 | 14.36 | 23515 | 15.49 | 29444 | 19.53 |
| 16-29 | 18050 | 24.66 | 26623 | 24.04 | 32147 | 23.85 | 33655 | 22.18 | 30827 | 20.45 |
| 30-39 | 14009 | 19.14 | 21101 | 19.06 | 24710 | 18.33 | 27035 | 17.81 | 25243 | 16.74 |
| 40-49 | 11081 | 15.14 | 16908 | 15.27 | 20130 | 14.93 | 22746 | 14.99 | 21358 | 14.17 |
| 50-59 | 9361 | 12.79 | 14023 | 12.66 | 17114 | 12.70 | 19732 | 13.00 | 19094 | 12.66 |
| 60-64 | 3349 | 4.58 | 5303 | 4.79 | 6585 | 4.88 | 7847 | 5.17 | 7633 | 5.06 |
| 65+ | 7028 | 9.60 | 11128 | 10.05 | 14754 | 10.94 | 17229 | 11.35 | 17166 | 11.39 |
| 73181 | 100.00 | 110730 | 100.00 | 134803 | 100.00 | 151759 | 100.00 | 150765 | 100.00 |
Well I’m sorry that your grandparents are deceased. If they weren’t you might be a bit more concerned about the age range though.
and this isn’t car sales or product numbers. These are peoples lives.
And I was not asking for more statistics when I said what exactly do you mean? I meant it more like, what exactly are your feelings about this matter?
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every death is tragic but i don't make my decisions on anecdotal data. for the record, i spent hours on the phone and internet in the early portion of this year securing vaccine appointments for my parents and in-laws.
Get the shot. Wear a mask. Stay safe. Enjoy life. There are far too many people that have not taken this seriously that died and regretted their decisions. Now their families have to live with the pain of their refusal to get with the program.
I got the shot in March. I wear a mask in certain situations mainly because I don’t want to give it to anyone if by some chance I had it and was asymptotic.
the misinformation and the politicizing of a health issue just gets my craw
So I had COVID the Delta variety and recovered. I now have the antibodies that protect me. Why in the Heck would I take the vaccine? It is worthless to me. I would be compromising my immune system which did its job just fine without the MRNA injection. Complete poppycock to suggest that those of us that have the antibodies get vaccinated.
Go look up Bill Phillips. He is a fitness guru and developed the BODY FOR LIFE system. Go look at him.
Just curious...should obese people or people who smoke have to pay for their issues as well? Pretty sure cancer and diabetes are costing us a lot more than this virus is.
^^^^bullseye. better to have your body create its own natural immunity. the little man that's debating you is just spouting off his self-righteous judgement; in his distorted view everyone is 'selfish' if they don't get vaccinated. yet that flies in the face of what we know about natural immunity. if people had corona and still want a vaccine, that's great, but the notion the recovered people need that vaccine is 'poppycock'.
It's going to be important to monitor how long protective immunity through infection lasts. Unlike most other viruses, immunity from most coronaviruses typically doesn't last long at all, and even less so as variants are able to evade antibodies. If protective immunity doesn't last long after SARS-CoV-2 infection, it will be important for previously infected people to get the vaccine. Additionally, preliminary data has shown a reduced risk of reinfectionafter vaccination in those who already have antibodies present.
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Yep. That’s why I want this tracked and reported. Will be nice to see charts of time since covid to see if immunity wanes.
yep this.
some variants had developed a mutation to the spike protein, this is entirely and solely how all current COVID vaccines elicit an immune response. the most common mutations were E484K and N501Y both found in the Alpha and Beta strains.
researchers in Turkey in late July began finding a small level of those mutations in the delta variant.
the Brits released this report on E484K back in February.
Covid-19: The E484K mutation and the risks it poses
The mutation E484K, first identified in the South African SARS-CoV-2 variant, has now been identified in the UK fast-spreading variant, prompting fears the virus is evolving further and could become resistant to vaccines. Jacqui Wise looks at what we know so far The E484K mutation is not a new...
Not only is it a distorted view but the vaccinated are in fact the super spreaders. All you have to do is follow the science. Fully vaccinated carry 251 times the Covid viral load as unvaccinated
Fact Check-Study did not find vaccinated healthcare workers carry 251 times the viral load of those who were unvaccinated
Social media users are sharing articles that discuss a study examining the transmission of the Delta variant of COVID-19 and falsely claiming the study found that fully vaccinated healthcare workers carry 251 times the viral load compared of those who are unvaccinated.
www.reuters.com
Study: Fully vaccinated people with "breakthrough" COVID Delta infections carry as much virus as the unvaccinated
Oxford research indicates people who catch the Delta variant despite vaccination may pose a significant infection risk, even though they're unlikely to get seriously ill.
www.cbsnews.com
Fact Check? CBS News? Reuters? ROFLMAO! Yeah that's credible.Fact Check-Study did not find vaccinated healthcare workers carry 251 times the viral load of those who were unvaccinated
Social media users are sharing articles that discuss a study examining the transmission of the Delta variant of COVID-19 and falsely claiming the study found that fully vaccinated healthcare workers carry 251 times the viral load compared of those who are unvaccinated.
Study: Fully vaccinated people with "breakthrough" COVID Delta infections carry as much virus as the unvaccinated
Oxford research indicates people who catch the Delta variant despite vaccination may pose a significant infection risk, even though they're unlikely to get seriously ill.
Took literally 2 seconds to rubbish the “article”. How are people this easily misled?
I could have posted 50 rebuttals it wouldn’t have made a difference. You hear what you want to hear.
@Seminole Chris you know wold tribune is literally a fake news website right? The Onion is probably more credible.
COVID-19 vaccines reduce viral load, severity in breakthrough cases, studies find
Fully vaccinated individuals who then go on to contract COVID-19 are likely to have milder symptoms, a shorter infection time and a lower viral load, ongoing studies suggest.
the problem is: there is too much conflicting information on just about every aspect of the corona virus and everyone has their own source. is any one source 'credible'? the story is ever changing; what was correct today is not true tomorrow. for example, fauci said masks were not needed and recently he said 'wear two'. so either people in high places are lying their a___s off or they don't know. or its a combination of both. its convenient that things are in flux so the experts and the leaders can be wrong but its ok.
on a personal level, i wore the mask, i social distanced, i took the vaccine. this thing is going to be around on a permanent basis, governments and society as a whole must learn to deal with it in rational way without destroying the economy, mandating vaccines, and blaming the victims by pitting one side (the vaccinated) against the other (unvaccinated).
Fair enough. Here is the study.
Excellent points. What really bothers me the most is that the information regarding the vaccine is not even debatable in the mainstream media. If you are against the MRNA injections and post any information to the contrary that it is safe and effective it is considered misinformation. This only leads to more distrust from the public. If the vaccine is so safe and effective you would think that Dr. Fauci could square off in a debate with Dr. Malone and the truth will prevail.
I posted the study. You can see for yourself what you posted is not factual. The media has nothing to do with it. Unless you count the “World Tribune” and Robert Kennedy Jr. as “media”.
I read your study now you enjoy mine. Natural Immunity 13x More Effective Than Vaccines At Stopping Delta
It’s not my study. It’s the one you misquoted using “World Tribune” as your source.
I think natural immunity is great. As long as you can afford getting infected in the first place.
That is the critical decision. Do you risk infection to gain natural immunity? In my case I have never in my life have had the flu. My understanding is that roughly 30% of the population has natural immunity against the flu. I rolled the dice base on past medical history and got the Delta variant. In my case the symptoms were the same as seasonal allergies.
you do understand that the study @ChiefWB posted above is also pre-print and not peer reviewed, right?
peer review takes months, studies are being released almost daily. a vast majority of the peer reviewed studies are based on data collected back in the early days of COVID.
take a peek at the components of the study, is it observational or randomized control? what regression was applied etc.
you only have about an 8% chance of getting the flu in most normal years and if you keep good hand hygiene you improve those odds. you may have immunity to some strains but not all.
anecdotal but i avoided the flu until my mid-30's. i've had it 3 times in total, a different strain each time. once vaccinated, twice unvaccinated. with the advent of of the antivirals for influenza i usually make my flu vaccination decision based on the confidence level of the flu vaccine beginning each season. i wouldn't feel that way but for the antivirals.
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