Calling FSU the worst team in the country is currently objectively true.

IF Norvell makes a change at seasons end, I would love to hire Muschamp at DC. The guy can recruit on defense, brings energy and always had nasty defenses.

Norvell has the organization and has improved the culture, but he clearly needs some guys around him to help him win. Having a nasty and well coached defense would help.

Not sure who I would want at OC. Who would you want?

Did we really only have 7 Seniors/Grad transfers on th 2 deep?

Baveon Johnson (he’s horrible but played due to OL injuries)
KZ
Dillon Gibbons
Andrew Parchment
Meiko Dotson
Jermaine Johnson
Keir Thomas

So out of 44 on the 2 deep O and D depth chart I count 7 Seniors/grad transfers. Is that it? There are a crap ton of of Fr and So listed. I have no idea if that translates to a brighter future ahead. a la Wake Forest, but they returned 20 starters this year and had 9 super seniors.

Look, I’m mad. I’m disgusted with these coaches. I question their abilities. But I’m trying to be fair. CMN came in about 2 weeks before the 2020 signing class and had to recruit the 2021 signees in a pandemic with very little contact and no on campus visits.

Bobby used to say add one loss for each Freshman who starts. Hell, half our team looks like it’s fresh out of high school if you look at the depth chart.

I dunno. I’m tired of losing. The Lost Decade looks better than this. We need a crap ton more experience and quality depth. That’s for sure.

Why stay? Travis is back next year. Will Norvell continue to run Travis out there who will never learn how to read a defense / run an offense? Or will he give the young blood a chance?

I don’t see Purdy staying on this train wreck without seeing the field.

Duffy could decommit and we are SCREWED

What insight do they gain from scouting? How does that impact game prep?

We get better updates from bailey’s tidbits. It’s why I subscribe to WC seriously.

Can someone please give real info from behind the scenes?

For making that 4th down stand with about 8 minutes left when they clearly could have already mailed it in. No matter the result, I can support effort like that throughout these extremely challenging times. Reminds me of ND last year on that final goal line stand. These boys might not have been very good yesterday, but at least there was some fight in the dog.

Time to clean house for next year I say we keep the following then take advantage of adding 35 if it passes

QB- Purdue and Rodeamaker
RB- Ward Corbin Wren
WR Poitier McClain Burrell Robinson Douglas Williamson
TE West Douglas
OL Orr Estes R Scott Shreader Herring Washington Willis Smith
DE Fuller Wilson Turner Payton
DT Cooper S Jackson Farmer Ray J Jackson Briggs
LB Deloach Eubanks
CB Jay Washington Cooper Tate Knowles
S- R Green S Brown Green-McKnight S Williams

that’s only 42 maybe there are more useful player but I am done with guys who have shown they can’t make a play

So, I think we can all agree that questions about game planning and in-game decisions abound. But, have you considered the experience level of the players in the game. Of the 25 offensive players listed on the depth chart for the Wake Forest game, 14 were sophomores or freshman. Of the 29 defensive players listed on the depth chart for the Wake Forest game, 23 were sophomores or freshman. That's are very inexperienced and young depth chart. So I wonder how much of the game planning and in-game decisions are impacted by the lack of experience on the roster? How many of the poor play executions are due to inexperience of the roster? And of the juniors and seniors, how many of them were actually developed properly during their freshman and sophomore years? For the non-transfer seniors and juniors, I'm betting the development was poor.

Not saying there haven't been some seriously poor play calls, but you have to wonder how much of the play calling is the coaches trying to win games with an outmatched team vs. just trying to improve. We all say we want to see improvement, but is that really the case. It sure seems, at times, that we care more about winning, and I'm guessing the fan feedback may be impacting coaching decisions.

Pretty soon you will be sitting with them. I think Bobby said that. It looks like MN is guilty of some of that. Changing QBs, abondoning the wild cat, and probably some other aspects.

People keep saying we should fire our OC, but has anyone confirmed with the staff that the OC has been calling plays and is responsible for the game plan? Norvell is an offense guy. It’s hard for me to think he would allow dillingham to have autonomy if norvell didn’t like what was happening in game prep, game planning and play calling. And if Norvell has been fully involved with setting the game plan and also is calling the plays, then what the heck do we do at this point?

How many years did Jimbo and Willie not recruit OLs? There were some years where we’d take only 1 or 2. Im a firm believer it all begins on the lines. OL takes years to build because most freshman can’t play D-1 ball. It takes them 3 years usually to be reliable. The fact we are still playing Baveon says a lot. He’s horrible. We recruited okay last year but we need a couple GREAT OL classes and then develop them. CMN knows this because he went hard after transfers and got Gibbons but that’s it. We needed more. Sigh.

I know we are in a rebuild, it’s worse than we all wanted to think, but it is.

My issue is not that we lose @ Wake when being underdogs, my issue is that Norvell still didn’t answer any questions…

- Who’s our QB1? Why not just let Milton start and go…. He threw 2 passes before being replaced

- Can you get rid of the ticky tac calls and just play straight up football? Nope

- Can you clean up the penalties? Nope

- Can you convert 2 yards when you need it? Nope

worst part about this is not the loss, but that we are all still asking the same questions as last week.

He talks about replacing coaches after they leave for promotions, but does he have the guts to put the program first and fire his friends? Jimbo struggled with this too.

in the loss? Was that it? Is at gone? Seems like it to me

No way we go 6-6 or bowling any more. Milton is no longer valuable to us beyond some media points. Norvell needs to decide if he is investing in Travis for the long haul. If not, which is what I suspect, then play Purdy. The rest of the way. Even if we don’t win a game, get that kid ready for next year as much as possible.

Same goes for any grad transfers. We need to be in favor of the youth movement now if we want any success next year.

Anyone see his performance ?? Crazy good

Man only if we could get a talented QB like Fresno st

Every single desision maker that was involved with hiring Taggart and Norrvell won't be here to hire the next HC. Lets all suck it up, get through the next few years by not firing coaches and paying buyouts. If Norrvell doesn't work out just don't renew his contract. Dugans contract ends this year. So there is one position coach to fix. I think two or three more years of this and we will have all the Taggart staff paid off and most of the Norrvell contracts ending. Then hopefully an actual big time AD will hire a HC with BIG TIME FOOTBALL experience. No more dear in the headlights CONF USA coaches

I’m truly at a loss for words. Wake effing Forest. No pride. No adjustments. Just worthless hope. I’m delusional thinking we’ll see improvements. I truly truly truly like Norvell but we should see more than this. I want to grasp onto something, anything to keep my Seminole love afloat but all I see are bamboo rafts sinking. I give money (lots of it) and yet this is us. Can we at least be Mississippi State? West Virginia? Illinois? UCLA? to begin thinking there is a base to build off of and use our brand to get to the next level??? I feel destroyed as a fan. It’s that bad and there is nothing we can do about it but take abuse from friends. I’m so Gaddam sad. Fuuuucccccckkkkk.

And it shouldn't have taken this long really.
Pick a QB. Stick with the same QB until he is either hurt or is so bad that leaving him in is doing nothing. . Hell it could be Purdy for all I care. Obviously the rotating experiment is not working

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I’d be really curious to read more about what the folks that run boosters and some of the really big boosters are thinking right now.

I have to assume that if you could get to them and ask the right questions you might get some really interesting insights on what’s the mood behind the scenes.

Sheesh

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It really does look like Norvell is in over his head here. That means yet another hot seat head coach at FSU... who's going to want to come here with the thought of yet another brand new staff next season?