#100pagesnatty Thread 11/08/18 #63pagesnattynumber1 #106pagesnattynumber2

[FSUTribe76]

I would think Miami and Texas are close though. We are also biased on FSU's ranking, but lets not pretend that we are heads above those two specifically.



Agreed, if he is leaving, he is only pissing off people and will leave a tarnish on his legacy. If he is staying (I doubt it by now) he isn't answering questions and this funk will stain next season. Guess they are just waiting on the ink to dry <shrug> or final details if he is packing up.

When I think about the schools I’d like to take over if they suddenly became available I’d only put Alabama and Ohio State as clearly above us. So we’re no more than 3rd. I’d put us roughly on par with Georgia, Oklahoma, Michigan, USC, Texas, Texas A&M, Clemson, and LSU. So we’re somewhere in between the 3rd and 12th best job depending on your preference for history, fan support, money, current facilities, recruiting bases, etc... I think we’re clearly above other schools like Auburn, Miami, Tennessee, Notre Dame etc...

 

[NYCNole]

I know everyone has a source, but I finally talked to “my guy” who is as close to the situation as one can be, here is what happened.

Jimbo went to Thrasher with his yearly demands after being verbally offered by A&M.

He went to Thrasher four times.

1. Said he wanted facilities started right a way. Thrasher said you got it.

2. Said he wanted to match salary and budgets offered for him and asst coaches by A&M. Thrasher said yes.

3. Jimbo then came back and said he wanted Miller gone. Thrasher said he would do his best to make that happen, but that it wasn’t an overnight thing and to be patient. At this point Thrasher was supposedly annoyed with Jimbo and the attitude he had towards everything.

4. Lastly Jimbo came back a fourth time and said he didn’t want to report to Wilcox (Wilcox is in every meeting they have). Thrasher said that wasn’t possible and that Wilcox can’t just not be there. Fisher then said for Thrasher to just fire him. Thrasher told him that wasn’t going to happen. Supposedly Fisher was saying some incredibly rude things about Wilcox during this conversation. Thrasher then told Fisher that it was probably best he take the A&M job and that his last game should be Saturday. Jimbo agreed.

Thrasher asked about his kids, and what he was going to do. Fisher said he’d just buy a jet and fly them over for summers and every other weekend.

Supposedly Thrasher was incredibly upset and hurt how Fisher acted, Siad it was the most angry he had ever seen him and that he was shocked how he just blew off his kids like he did.

Ethan was asked by his buddy if he were moving, and he said that his Dad was going to buy a jet and fly them over when they wanted. (Different source, but legit).

If any of this is true, JF is simply a broken man. Sad b/c the college football world was in his hands just few years ago.

 

[seminole97]

I gotta disagree, now is the time to bolt.
Even if he won two more championships here he'll always be the #2 head coach to FSU faithful.
Leaving now, especially if they scrape bowl eligibility and avoid a losing season, will keep the streaks intact. He has amazing records against our rivals. Bowden left with losing records to both UM and UF.
He won several conference titles and a national championship. Led a 29 game win streak. In the years to come he'll remain highly regarded for what he accomplished in his time here.

If he leaves to A&M he gets a more fervent fan base (how do you think midnight yell practice would be attended in Tally?) and all the external support he's always clamoring for.
I also think his 'drill instructor' style will sell well to the quasi military Aggies.

FSU isn't being left with the cupboard bare. The next guy has less of a job to right the ship than Jimbo inherited. Let's hope we find him.

 

[seminole4life1]

If he was going to leave FSU he should have taken the LSU job, that is at least a lateral move. He never wanted to actually go to A&M.

Obviously it will be spun (in his mind and externally) that this is a great opportunity to jump on board with a passionate program but if its just the facts, he is taking a step backwards.

 

[cmanole]

All he had to do was recruit decent offensive linemen. That's it...

 

[DanC78]

All he had to do was recruit decent offensive linemen. That's it...

GREAT point!

 

[DFSNOLE]

When I think about the schools I’d like to take over if they suddenly became available I’d only put Alabama and Ohio State as clearly above us. So we’re no more than 3rd. I’d put us roughly on par with Georgia, Oklahoma, Michigan, USC, Texas, Texas A&M, Clemson, and LSU. So we’re somewhere in between the 3rd and 12th best job depending on your preference for history, fan support, money, current facilities, recruiting bases, etc... I think we’re clearly above other schools like Auburn, Miami, Tennessee, Notre Dame etc...

Tribe, the primary difference between FSU and those schools you put us with is endowment. We are nowhere near them in that category. And that is a major category.

 

[F4Gary]

Tribe, the primary difference between FSU and those schools you put us with is endowment. We are nowhere near them in that category. And that is a major category.

DFS, can I (or you) cut and paste Da_Dynasty's post on the TC from his own thread, page 6, post #228?
It's great info.

 

[seminole97]

If he was going to leave FSU he should have taken the LSU job, that is at least a lateral move. He never wanted to actually go to A&M.

I thought there were dollar concerns at LSU. Aggies seem to be spending hand over fist. More importantly, he has a chance to move Texas A&M up a tier. Maybe he’s better at rebuilding and reinvigorating than maintaining.

Obviously it will be spun (in his mind and externally) that this is a great opportunity to jump on board with a passionate program but if its just the facts, he is taking a step backwards.

Aggies are definitely not on plane with FSU and LSU and other programs that have won multiple national titles in the last three decades. But are you telling me if he steps into College Station and wins a title in the next 3-5 years it does not build his legacy? I would find that more impressive than winning another one here.

 

[DanC78]

DFS, can I (or you) cut and paste Da_Dynasty's post on the TC from his own thread, page 6, post #228?
It's great info.

What’s name of thread

Can you link?

 

[F4Gary]

What’s name of thread

Can you link?

"Some information I have..." by Da_Dynasty.
Not sure if the rules let me link it here.

 

[CC0492]

So NCSU'S Doeren just turned down Tennessee as well. LMAO!!!!!

 

[F4Gary]

So NCSU'S Doeren just turned down Tennessee as well. LMAO!!!!!

Wow! My brother will be happy.

 

[DFSNOLE]

"Some information I have..." by Da_Dynasty.
Not sure if the rules let me link it here.

Don't link it since that's on a premium board.

 

[F4Gary]

Don't link it since that's on a premium board.

Can I just post his post as a quote?

 

[DFSNOLE]

Can I just post his post as a quote?

No and I don't think there's anything in his post that hasn't already been posted here.

 

[F4Gary]

Rog.

 

[DanC78]

Tribe, the primary difference between FSU and those schools you put us with is endowment. We are nowhere near them in that category. And that is a major category.

You’re saying we aren’t “endowed” here at FSU??

You’re saying they have more guaranteed money than FSU?

 

[NoleLizards]

So NCSU'S Doeren just turned down Tennessee as well. LMAO!!!!!

They might as well just head down the road to MTSU and offer Rick Stockstill & get it over with.

You’re saying we aren’t “endowed” here at FSU??

I went to FSU, and I'm endowed.

 

[Fijimn]

Fisher was on SXM. Said that the guy shouldn't have been kicked out last night and he has not made a decision.

 

[F4Gary]

Fisher was on SXM. Said that the guy shouldn't have been kicked out last night and he has not made a decision.

Well, FSU has. Taggart has already been interviewed by FSU and the papers are waiting for him to sign.

 

[RTM58]

I would think Miami and Texas are close though. We are also biased on FSU's ranking, but lets not pretend that we are heads above those two specifically.

Head and shoulders above.

UT has won four National Championship, and only one of those has come in roughly the last 40 years (1963, 1969, 1970, and 2005), and two Conference Championships in last 20 years.

UM has won five National Championship, with only one of those in the last 25 years (1983, 1987, 1989, 1991, and 2001) and three Conference Championships in last 20 years, but none of those in the ACC. In that same window UM has had TWO ESPN 30 for 30 film series, The U and The U part 2. Both were created to depict the rise and fall of their football program in two separate decades. If the program ever gets rolling, the "locals" will show up and ruin it for everybody. There are way to many distractions in Miami. It is the crookedest city in the union. Add to that, Mark Richt is a home run hire for them and they only pay him roughly $4 million annually.

 

[YogiNole]

Well, FSU has. Taggart has already been interviewed by FSU and the papers are waiting for him to sign.

I hope you're right. Ready to move on from this $@*% show

 

[SeaPA]

Fisher was on SXM. Said that the guy shouldn't have been kicked out last night and he has not made a decision.

Jimbo may well get the most negative reception any coach has ever received in Doak (including Stevel and Urban Liar). I’d imagine the rousing round of boos will be his stated reason for officially accepting the job he’s already taken.

 

[NoleLizards]

Jimbo may well get the most negative reception any coach has ever received in Doak (including Stevel and Urban Liar). I’d imagine the rousing round of boos will be his stated reason for officially accepting the job he’s already taken.

Will he tell the entire crowd to walk their butts down to the field to boo him?

 

[runkpanole]

Well, FSU has. Taggart has already been interviewed by FSU and the papers are waiting for him to sign.

No, FSU has not. They can't afford to make the decision. It would cost them $40 million. Jimbo, whether we like it or not has us by the balls.

 

[DanC78]

Jimbo may well get the most negative reception any coach has ever received in Doak (including Stevel and Urban Liar). I’d imagine the rousing round of boos will be his stated reason for officially accepting the job he’s already taken.

Almost worth the drive to the game just to boo him out the door.

 

[F4Gary]

No, FSU has not. They can't afford to make the decision. It would cost them $40 million. Jimbo, whether we like it or not has us by the balls.

That doesn't contradict what I said.

 

[RangerNole]

We aren't Tennessee, or Nebraska, or Miami, or Texas. We are one of the Top 5 coaching destination in the country.

Seminole Headlines @ 30:00
https://www.hipcast.com/podcast/HRpBdt3W0

Taggart also has already met with Knight & gotten his blessing about going to FSU if the job opens.

CONSUMER ALERT: If you receive an unfamiliar phone call from area code 865, do NOT answer! It could be the University of Tennessee trying to trick you into accepting a job as head football coach

Hope this is true. I wish I could say I feel bad for JF; but this is on him. I am not really sure how this came to be, but it is obvious to me that JF has way overestimated his value. Yea he will make a ton of money for a few years; but 5 years from now with no titles and what is likely an average of 8 or 9 wins a season he will be gone from AM. I think JF can coach; but things are passing him by and his offense is not what will win titles in CF today, unless of course you have an entire team of draft choices. Wish I could be a fly on the wall when all his (family) assistant coaches get told oh a NO you are not coming with me. I know winning is most important in sports but JF has done some serious damage to his reputation that will likely not be forgotten.

 

[DanC78]

No, FSU has not. They can't afford to make the decision. It would cost them $40 million. Jimbo, whether we like it or not has us by the balls.

I think the papers and vetting has been done.

Are saying FSU is in breech of contract for talking directly to Taggart?

 

[LesClaypool]

Tribe, the primary difference between FSU and those schools you put us with is endowment. We are nowhere near them in that category. And that is a major category.

I think we had this discussion once before...you're talking about athletic program endowment, not the university endowment, right?

 

[YogiNole]

No, FSU has not. They can't afford to make the decision. It would cost them $40 million. Jimbo, whether we like it or not has us by the balls.

The entire administration deserves to be fired for putting the university in this position. Jimbo has always had a wandering eye for SEC jobs, they should've recognized that and done his contract accordingly.

 

[DanC78]

DFS, can I (or you) cut and paste Da_Dynasty's post on the TC from his own thread, page 6, post #228?
It's great info.

Jason Staples has a new podcast avalible...Da Dynasty repeated everything he said.

 

[DFSNOLE]

I think we had this discussion once before...you're talking about athletic program endowment, not the university endowment, right?

Yes. Endowment of scholarships within the Athletic Department. Though given the ages of those other schools compared to FSU, I'd imagine their university endowments would be larger too.

 

[LesClaypool]

Yes. Endowment of scholarships within the Athletic Department. Though given the ages of those other schools compared to FSU, I'd imagine their university endowments would be larger too.

Yeah, most of those schools probably do have bigger university endowments than us, you're right.

Without looking it up, I'd imagine we're on par with Clemson, Auburn, Oklahoma, LSU, Alabama.

We're nowhere near Texas, OSU, Michigan, USC, Notre Dame, I'm sure.

 

[runkpanole]

I think the papers and vetting has been done.

Are saying FSU is in breech of contract for talking directly to Taggart?

I don't know about the breach and I have no doubt FSU wants Taggart, if Jimbo leaves. This isn't FSU's decision to make at this point, it is Jimbo's. FSU cannot make the decision for Jimbo, unless they want to pay $40 million.

 

[DFSNOLE]

Yeah, most of those schools probably do have bigger university endowments than us, you're right.

Without looking it up, I'd imagine we're on par with Clemson, Auburn, Oklahoma, LSU, Alabama.

We're nowhere near Texas, OSU, Michigan, USC, Notre Dame, I'm sure.

Clemson's athletic endowment is huge from years of IPTAY.

 

[LesClaypool]

Clemson's athletic endowment is huge from years of IPTAY.

I'm talking university endowments...or rather, I'm positing who we might be on par with and/or behind, as it relates to university endowments.

No clue what anyone's athletic endowment is. I didn't even know there was such a thing until you pointed it out last time we had this discussion.

 

[RangerNole]

Clemson's athletic endowment is huge from years of IPTAY.

Yep I don't know the numbers for CU, but I was up there a couple of years ago and literally everything was under construction. As we drove around the entire school was one big construction site. It was crazy and obvious they have and are spending money like they are printing it themselves.

 

[DFSNOLE]

I don't know about the breach and I have no doubt FSU wants Taggart, if Jimbo leaves. This isn't FSU's decision to make at this point, it is Jimbo's. FSU cannot make the decision for Jimbo, unless they want to pay $40 million.

Or, much like uf did with McElwain, find a way to fire him with cause a negotiate some small settlement.