I also made a comment about not one, but both mega important conversation being conveniently interrupted. Fair complaint for sure.
GoT Season 8 (spoilers)
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I sure hope not. The Hound cracks me up, he’s got some of the best lines in the show.
I would think a lot of the scaring would have come from the waif beating her with a cane for the extended period of time she was there.
Sorry man, I guess I missed it.
Just felt so cheap, like watching an 80s movie we're two people are about to finally kiss and then someone walks in. Like that was the ONLY chance ror that to happen and they missed it.
I've come to expect so much from the writing of this show, seems like it's really fallen off.
Now that Arya and Gendry have “connected”, I think Arya is gonna make it out alive and will be pregnant with a legitimate heir to the throne having both Baratheon and Stark blood. It plays into what Robert told Ned down in the Crypt in Season One when he says he has a son and Ned has a daughter and they should marry. It was meant for Joffrey and Sansa at the time. Also, Tyrion makes a comment about possibly crawling back to King’s Landing after the battle and tearing Cersei apart. Jaime had walked away when this comment came out. Could this be done as a white walker? Just some random thoughts.
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The theory of the NK going ahead of his army to Kings Landing with his dragon is compelling. Makes sense and seems most people believe that will happen since he was not seen at end of episode 2.
Would certainly change the perceived arc in the story before it got started
Would certainly change the perceived arc in the story before it got started
I'm not sure why the Night King would do that at this point. If there is value for killing Bran, which Bran believes there is and the Kings forces gets stronger with each victory there would be no reason to divide his forces up at this point.
There are over a million people in KL, plus 20k fresh soldiers. The NK's force is somewhere around 100k now, so splitting them and decimating Winterfell, then leaving KL with all those new bodies would mean he could easily finish off whats left of the North.
I think the only way he gets to KL quickly is with the dragon and no ground troops... Would people killed by blue dragon fire even be resurrect-able?
I was assuming he would take half of his 100k troops with him along with the dragon?
I want to know which characters from previous episodes will come back in this season as white walkers?
You know the King white walker is an evil SOB...he knows how emotionally devastating it would be to, say Jon Snow, Sansa etc to see Ed Stark as a zombie...Daenerys to see Khal Drago as one...(unless they were burned)
You know the King white walker is an evil SOB...he knows how emotionally devastating it would be to, say Jon Snow, Sansa etc to see Ed Stark as a zombie...Daenerys to see Khal Drago as one...(unless they were burned)
did you ever read the books? I read a fair bit of fantasy, Wheel of Time, Robin Hobb's series, etc.
A Song of Ice and Fire started out as the best fantasy series I had ever seen. The whole thing is in POV where you only see part of it at a time from a character's perspective and have to piece together the overarching narrative yourself. Then after book 3 it started going off the rails. Book 4 was missing (completely!) several characters. Book 5 was way late and then they started the tv show. I have no idea where the books are now. IF he ever finishes (not sure what motivation he has with all the HBO cash) I might try them again.
WOT is my personal vote for best fictional series, not my favorite but top 5 easily. I haven't read any of the GOT books, the show ruined it for me just like the HP movies. I find the GOT characters too dumb and the HP folks too weak magically.
Good lord. What an episode! I'm exhausted.
Whelp most of my theories were crap, but great episode! Stunned Daenerys lived.
Though darkly shot, some amazing scenes that I thought were some of the best in this GOT run.
Lady Mormont, Jorah, the fire swords lasting 10 seconds, Arya’s entire episode, that guy is who was brought back 6 times, Night King with an inside joke to himelf, Snow ignoring a yelping Sam to stay on mission, etc...
I was surprised it seems winter may be over with 3 episodes left, lots questions.
Are there 1 or 2 dragons left, and how many monster cross bows does Cersei have?
Are there enough remaining people to have a prayer attacking Cersei? It doesn’t seem like it so who will come to join the fight?
I was glad we got Melissandre back but she and Bran continue to give just enough information to have lines. Where’s Kinerva and the rest of the light army?
My one critique was the characters still living in the crypt, i just didn’t care.
Episode 4, Id expect a lot of planning next week, canoodling, maybe Bron appears, and Bran will probably go on vacation and say his work is done.
For some reason I thought the battle with the walkers was to be the final of the show...I had forgotten about Cersei and all that.
The battle scene was exhausting...
The battle scene was exhausting...
I have a question for those who may have paid closer attention than me. I thought Arya gave Sansa the dagger that was originally meant to kill Bran in season one. Did she not use that same dagger to kill the Night King? Or was that Needle?
Thanks for posting that! I was talking to a coworker who actually does a podcast about GoT among other movies and celebrities. He noted Arya had two daggers and Needle. She handed Sansa a dragon glass dagger to keep with her in the crypt according to him. Makes sense for her to fend off Wights with.
Thought it odd that when Arya handed Sansa the dagger, Sansa says "I don't know how to use it"....Really? At this point in your life with all you have gone through and witnessed you don't know what you would do with a dagger?
Great show. Still not sure how Arya got past all the walkers and Wrights to get to the Night King. Overconfident perhaps...and maybe he had them in pause mode while she slipped past?
WOW!!! Great episode!!! Just wondering how they can fight Cersei’s army after losing so many people.
I’ve got my money on Bron shooting her with the new crossbow.
I’ve got my money on Bron shooting her with the new crossbow.
Overall very good episode but a lot things bothered me. First it was shot so dark it was distracting trying to see what was happening and I found myself missing specific action.
Second while the scene was brilliant i hated how KN was killed so soon with so little story/info. In addition I wasn't rooting for Brienne or Jaime to die but it annoyed me to see them in an impossible situation several times and appear to have survived mainly unscathed. Sam was laying on the ground most of the episode and at the very least should have been trampled if not outright attacked by the dead but it didnt show him die so I assume he survived. Bran, the dragons and in a way Jon were almost useless. Why didn't Melisandre light up everyones weapon?
I loved the scene with Lady Mormont and the giant. She was a bad ass. Same with Arya, she was fantastic.
Do we ever learn how/where/why the KN/Walkers came about?
Addendum...I found this about the above:
"Based on what we’ve seen, the White Walkers are at least 8,000 years old: In season six, we learned that the Children of the Forest created the very first Walker as a weapon to combat the first men to arrive on Westeros. (They did so by plunging a piece of dragonglass into a man’s heart.) That Walker eventually turned on them, but we don’t know why. It eventually led to a massive war between the Walkers and the First Men, which ended with the defeat of the Walkers at the Battle for the Dawn. Afterward, the Wall was built by the founder of House Stark — a man named Brandon Stark, a.k.a. Bran the Builder — in order to keep the White Walkers from returning south. Around the same time, the Night’s Watch was formed to serve as guardians of the realm."
Addendum...I found this about the above:
"Based on what we’ve seen, the White Walkers are at least 8,000 years old: In season six, we learned that the Children of the Forest created the very first Walker as a weapon to combat the first men to arrive on Westeros. (They did so by plunging a piece of dragonglass into a man’s heart.) That Walker eventually turned on them, but we don’t know why. It eventually led to a massive war between the Walkers and the First Men, which ended with the defeat of the Walkers at the Battle for the Dawn. Afterward, the Wall was built by the founder of House Stark — a man named Brandon Stark, a.k.a. Bran the Builder — in order to keep the White Walkers from returning south. Around the same time, the Night’s Watch was formed to serve as guardians of the realm."
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You’re right, Lady Mormont was a little bad ass. With her and Jorah dead, I guess House Mormont is finished.
I guess I missed the planning on it but what was the thought process of sending a small faction of your Army(Dothraki I believe) into the teeth of the main WW Army?
Made no sense but was cool to watch and the extinguishing of the flaming swords did up the drama level.
Wife gets back from a weekend sabbatical tonight and we took solemn oaths not to watch it separately. Lots of chatter about it being too dark to follow. I skipped over it last night in a completely dark room and it seems ok to me.
Im with you, the battle scenes were very well done, but I have a few critiques:
1) After all this time, and all these gyrations, it felt like the heroes got dropped into a sequel to 28 Days Later. I mean I know they are the dead, etc. but it just so much like any zombie movie to me.
2) As I(unfortunately) assumed, no one who was really important died. Like OP said, how many times can you put the same characters in impossible situations and then save them? This show simply doesnt have the balls it did when it started. Remember when they killed Ned Stark, basically the main character, just like that? Now even 2nd tier characters like Brienne and Samwell are allowed to live? Meh.
3) The dragon battle how SO much potential, but it felt a little hard to follow. I guess Jons dragon died? I couldn't tell for sure even though he crash landed. Also, why did Dany land her dragon in the middle of the dead so it could get mobbed? Made no sense to me at all. Also on the dragon front, what was the point of Jon playing peekabo with the dead dragon in that last scene? Seemed like a complete waste of time.
4) I felt like they made it way too obvious that Arya would kill the NK once she had the conversation with Melissandre. I wish there was more of an epic fight between the NK and Arya, kind of felt cheated that someone so powerful(couldnt even be killed by dragon fire) was dealt with so easily. Missed a chance for an epic duel. I was actually thinking(and hoping) that she went there to kill Bran(who I was also hoping was warging into the NK) all this time. Might have been hard to pull off given previous happenings, but would have been a much better story IMO. Bran seeking revenge on the Lannisters, then getting drunk with the power of leading the WW army. Oh well.
5) Finally, really annoyed that Cersei just got to sit out the entire battle for some reason, and not pay the price for it. Just dont see how the North will hold her off this season.
What I liked:
1) Arya is obvious, but I just thought it was worth pointing out that her fight scenes are tremendous. She makes you believe a 5 foot nothing, 100lb girl could kill all of these things. She deserved to be the one who ended the NK.
2) Building the moat surrounded by the ring of fire was pretty cool, although I am surprised the defenses of the wall itself werent better prepared(boiling oil, large stones) to keep the WW from climbing. The look of Winterfell was awesome.
3) Lady Mormont got the death she earned on the show. She is literally the only character that I cared about who died. A tough little warrior right until the end, and took a bad boy with her!
4) Jon showing the balls to try and chase down the KN knowing it would mean almost certain death. I actually wished they would have killed him off there, so Aryas eventual act would be that much more powerful. Another missed chance for that epic NK duel lost.
I had to go back and watch prior episodes and now I think I have the track of why only Arya could kill the Night King. Although different from the book, the Night King (season 6, episode 5) was created by the Children by using dragon glass. We know that dragon glass can kill a white walker, but it didn't make sense that it could kill the Night King (since it created him). But the only one who knows that is Bran, because he saw the creation of the Night King. We also know in the most recent episode that fire can't kill the Night King (further proving the the Night King is different from the white walkers). So what can kill him? There is only one thing left. Valyrian steel. But it's rare. Jon has it, but he is busy.
If you recall, the prior three eyed raven reached out to BenJen to save Bran and Meera. In this last episode, Bran tells Theon he "leaving". Bold talk for a wheelchair bound person. But alas, he goes into his white eyeball trance and sends a message of help to the one person he knows possesses Valyrian Steel. Ironically, it is of course the knife that was used in the attempt on his life in season one, and Arya is the last one to have it (when she killed LittleFinger). By this time, Arya no longer has her double sided dragon glass weapon, but she knows it won't work. She got the message. She leaps with her left arm in the air...on purpose.. to drop the knife into her right hand to plunge it into the same spot that the Children used to create the Night King. Brilliant.
If you recall, the prior three eyed raven reached out to BenJen to save Bran and Meera. In this last episode, Bran tells Theon he "leaving". Bold talk for a wheelchair bound person. But alas, he goes into his white eyeball trance and sends a message of help to the one person he knows possesses Valyrian Steel. Ironically, it is of course the knife that was used in the attempt on his life in season one, and Arya is the last one to have it (when she killed LittleFinger). By this time, Arya no longer has her double sided dragon glass weapon, but she knows it won't work. She got the message. She leaps with her left arm in the air...on purpose.. to drop the knife into her right hand to plunge it into the same spot that the Children used to create the Night King. Brilliant.
That makes a lot of sense but Mellisandre is the one who sent Arya to the NK, Bran only used the ravens to draw NK in.
I also am unsure Arya planned that knife move, imho she was just trying to stab him and it worked out on the fly after he caught her by the neck. How she knew to use the dagger, good question that maybe we’ll find out as u mentioned.
I got that last part from a comment that the writers made. Arya was ambidextrous and she she somehow knew where to put that knife.
If you’re a GOT fan I’d strongly suggest listening to the Entertainment Weekly GOT podcast. The one guy had basically full access to the filming/production. Great insight and discussions episode by episode.
His episode recap write ups are funny as hell too
His episode recap write ups are funny as hell too
The battle plan seemed very vanilla to me. I was expecting that they had something much more imaginative planned. I kept wondering why there weren't acres of wildfire set up outside.
Why were the trebuchets set up where they were and only used for 30 seconds? Why send the Dothraki out to their dooms?
While the dead were held at bay by the fire in the trench, why not pelt them with dragonglass arrows/flaming coals, etc?
Why were the trebuchets set up where they were and only used for 30 seconds? Why send the Dothraki out to their dooms?
While the dead were held at bay by the fire in the trench, why not pelt them with dragonglass arrows/flaming coals, etc?
Came across that by accident, but it was a fascinating podcast....worth listening to.
So I didn’t get a chance to watch until last night, and I agree with you 100% it was shot too dark. I know what they were trying to do, but it was way too dark and took away from a great battle. So I wake up this morning and Howard Stern is saying the same things as us. They got too cute.
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