Anecdotal evidence provided by the general population on medical matters I don't consider a trend. Someone getting the vaccine and dying 2 months later is no evidence of anything outside of that they died.
You want them to dig up the graves of 10,000 individuals that there is no evidence the vaccine caused their death to make sure the vaccine caused their death?
As is 99.9% of this thread. But I’m occasionally bored. So it is mildly entertaining.
except for the fact that when a medicine is emergency use physicians are mandated to report adverse events to VAERS.
Yep, dig up the graves.....thats what I said. Or you coukd investigate the death certs, assuming they are accurately completed and see what's going on. Seems to be a possibly prudent thing to do. Just in case.
Maybe many of the covid deaths were no from covid. Maybe many of the cases were really not positive. Maybe they do batch testing and call 1000 positive when there was 1. Point is with so much misinformation out there you dont really know what is going on.
Political is that which is best for all. As far as vaccines for covid 19 goes that means everyone not medically disqualified.
I disagree. There are many things Americans can do to be healthier. A vaccine may be one of those things. Why does he not tweet about the other things people should do?
if we are going to be truthful here, two President's have pushed the vaccine.
Listen to qualified MDs and scientists in appropriate fields of study. Not Rand Paul.
If there were individuals actually dying from the vaccine those would be reported by the physicians.
have you ever actually looked at the data? yes, anyone can report to VAERS but health care professionals that become aware of adverse events are required to report them. There are many pitfalls to VAERS but that doesn't cause the physician inputted data to be ignored.
Well that would include those MD’s that are being silenced because their views are not in lock step with people like Fauci.
What do you mean he’s being silenced? He’s in Congress. He spouts his views constantly.
Wasn't he locked out of Twitter for a week or something like that? Is that being silenced?
I know it doesn't. But if they start requiring a negative within the last 72 hours I will be covered.
Like Fauci? Dude flips more than a dolphin at sea world. My point is both sides have spread much info and not all of it is true. How do you know these "qualified" MD people are not towing the company line? You don't . And I don't know they are which is the whole point.
Yeah we shouldn’t listen to those with expertise in their field. We should do this universally.
I agree on Dr. Fauci. Any goodwill and trust he could be afforded was erased in the early days and weeks of the pandemic. I have witnessed him speak out of both sides of his mouth. Not a resource I have faith in.
Where are you seeing we’re weeks away from everyone over 65 being fully vaccinated? We have 10% still who haven’t gotten the first dose and 19% who aren’t fully vaxxed. Most recent data from this week from 3 large hospitals in FL:
He's a lifelong government employee and beaurocrat (sp?) who's 'expert track record' is so bad he'd have been fired in the private sector. He is trying to implement public policy with his opinions on individual freedoms, etc. Not his place at all.
Big Doctors, Big Experts, Big Hospital, Big Science all in on it. Unless I'm allowed to personally tour every hospital and speak to every patient and them answer my questions to them about vaccination status under oath we can't trust what they're saying unless I see a video from an internist in rural Arkansas with no board certifications tell me about what's really going on. I trust that 100%.Where are you seeing we’re weeks away from everyone over 65 being fully vaccinated? We have 10% still who haven’t gotten the first dose and 19% who aren’t fully vaxxed. Most recent data from this week from 3 large hospitals in FL:
Hospital 1: 83% of ICU patients not fully vaxxed (NFV)
Hospital 2: 84.7% of admitted patients NFV
Hospital 3: 89% of admitted and 94% in ICU NFV
these are not numbers being presented by politicians these are numbers distributed by hospitals directly to their employees. So unless there’s a vast conspiracy among hospitals literally across the country to manipulate this data the average seems to be in the 85% of admitted patients are unvaxxed.
The study out of Israel I linked last week
Is clear that age is still BY FAR the biggest determiner of outcome but across age groups the vaccine gives everyone a much better chance to survive.
I'm not sure how working in government makes him not an expert. We'll agree to disagree on him being fired in the private sector. If he quit tomorrow he would have more job offers than he could even read.
can you link me to the actual reports and hospital locations. not a soundbite or comment but the actual data reported by the hospital.Where are you seeing we’re weeks away from everyone over 65 being fully vaccinated? We have 10% still who haven’t gotten the first dose and 19% who aren’t fully vaxxed. Most recent data from this week from 3 large hospitals in FL:
Hospital 1: 83% of ICU patients not fully vaxxed (NFV)
Hospital 2: 84.7% of admitted patients NFV
Hospital 3: 89% of admitted and 94% in ICU NFV
these are not numbers being presented by politicians these are numbers distributed by hospitals directly to their employees. So unless there’s a vast conspiracy among hospitals literally across the country to manipulate this data the average seems to be in the 85% of admitted patients are unvaxxed.
The study out of Israel I linked last week
Is clear that age is still BY FAR the biggest determiner of outcome but across age groups the vaccine gives everyone a much better chance to survive.
I'm not sure folks hang on every word from Dr. Paul. I certainly don't.
how is that an unreasonable request? i have done just that for the basis of my comments?
No, I can’t. It’s been sent to me by people who work at the hospitals. It’s not a huge data dump it’s more like emails with very basic info. There’s nothing in it really beyond what I posted. You don’t have to trust me but it’s basic stuff. I don’t know why they don’t tweet it out but I can’t be putting it onto messageboards.
I didn’t name who. There are many physicians that are having their videos removed or banned from social media.
Yea. Those sites have said if you’re spreading misinformation then your account will be suspended. They post under the sites rules. They have plenty of other avenues to spread their opinions.
Not widespread availability vs vaccine. Want to understand why case and death counts were in a free fall before vaccinations were widespread. I think we’ve ascribed far too much human authority over the virus, and we don’t know what we don’t know. Can only go by granular data which has not been made available, or is not known/monitored. Not sure which is more troubling, particularly with pending FDA approval.
